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Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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  • #5312
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    We dont have elite level sports in Ireland

    A few elite level athletes, but not sports

    No point closing gyms if schools are open, no point closing anything.

    Why are they so stupid?

    Rugby is classed as elite for Pro14. In fairness gyms are more risky then schools and there's a mid-term break upcoming. I think they should extend it by 2 weeks and then move all teaching from 3rd-6th year online. 15 and up can spread it just like anyone else.


  • #5313
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Interesting read, article by Dr Jack Lambert
    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/jack-lambert-lockdowns-can-be-avoided-but-here-are-10-things-we-need-to-do-1.4382748

    Already been discussed

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114947373&postcount=3265


  • #5314
    utyh2ikcq9z76b
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,213 ✭✭✭utyh2ikcq9z76b


    DebDynamite wrote: »
    Trump felt 20 years younger after contracting it.

    He looked great in all honesty


  • #5315
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    Ellie2008 wrote: »
    Why has the county by county approach been binned. I live in a county with very low rates. I can’t see any need at this point in time to move us to Level 4/5.

    The cases are so high and spread nationally it's no longer possible for targeted control measures to work, so only way forward at the moment is national restrictions unfortunately.


  • #5316
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    mandrake04 wrote: »
    Already been discussed

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114947373&postcount=3265

    I wasn't aware something can only be mentioned once. Thanks for the heads up.


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  • #5317
    Thierry12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    Rugby is classed as elite for Pro14. In fairness gyms are more risky then schools and there's a mid-term break upcoming. I think they should extend it by 2 weeks and then move all teaching from 3rd-6th year online. 15 and up can spread it just like anyone else.

    Forgot about pro rugby, right on that

    Not sure on gyms, one I go to is mask only entry, while 4 year old and 8 year old are sitting with heating on with 50 other kids with no masks.


  • #5318
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,236 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    Rugby is classed as elite for Pro14. In fairness gyms are more risky then schools and there's a mid-term break upcoming. I think they should extend it by 2 weeks and then move all teaching from 3rd-6th year online. 15 and up can spread it just like anyone else.

    Any suggestions for adequate broadband to allow a couple of kids study from home while one or two parents try to work from home? Why can't get a decent mobile phone reception to make calls let alone have fast or reliable broadband.


  • #5319
    Jizique
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,183 ✭✭✭Jizique


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    Forgot about pro rugby, right on that

    Not sure on gyms, one I go to is mask only entry, while 4 year old and 8 year old are sitting with heating on with 50 other kids with no masks.

    What’s the infection rate for 4-8 year olds?


  • #5320
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Ellie2008 wrote: »
    Ok wasn’t aware of that.

    https://www.laoistoday.ie/2020/09/15/coronavirus-357-new-cases-as-unfairness-of-laois-kildare-and-offaly-lockdown-highlighted/
    laois today wrote:
    Kildare had 82.25, Offaly had 80.81 and Laois had 69.66

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eki8kyJWMAAmAQQ?format=jpg&name=large

    The 14 day incidence rate from the above article compared to the image above (showing the current 14 day incidence rate of every county) clearly shows that the 14 day incidence rate of every county is above Laois Offaly and Kildare when it went into lockdown.

    County by county can work but not when the virus is rampant everywhere.


  • #5321
    Ellie2008
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Ellie2008


    Will the measures take effect from midnight Monday or Tuesday?


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  • #5322
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,935 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    Rugby is classed as elite for Pro14. In fairness gyms are more risky then schools and there's a mid-term break upcoming. I think they should extend it by 2 weeks and then move all teaching from 3rd-6th year online. 15 and up can spread it just like anyone else.

    Yes, 15 and up can spread it just like anyone else, however, all of the evidence suggests that it doesn't spread in schools.

    Think about it. Controlled conditions in schools versus 15-18 year olds running around feral all day. The school situation is much safer.


  • #5323
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    Forgot about pro rugby, right on that

    Not sure on gyms, one I go to is mask only entry, while 4 year old and 8 year old are sitting with heating on with 50 other kids with no masks.

    Interesting that gym is mask only entry, think it would be fair to allow gyms remain open if they could enforce mask wearing. In terms of schools I agree ,with cases so high it is inherently risky to allow this.


  • #5324
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,646 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    DrSpongeBobz wrote: »
    Pfizer vaccine incoming lads. Its all over.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020/09/23/covid-19-vaccine-protocols-reveal-that-trials-are-designed-to-succeed/#6bfbeed85247

    “We all expect an effective vaccine to prevent serious illness if infected. Three of the vaccine protocols—Moderna, Pfizer, and AstraZeneca—do not require that their vaccine prevent serious disease only that they prevent moderate symptoms which may be as mild as cough, or headache.“

    What does that mean?


  • #5325
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Any suggestions for adequate broadband to allow a couple of kids study from home while one or two parents try to work from home? Why can't get a decent mobile phone reception to make calls let alone have fast or reliable broadband.

    For 3rd to 6th years? Government will need to feature this into plan for moving some education online. Schools could also offer help in this regard to these students.


  • #5326
    sterz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭sterz


    Ellie2008 wrote: »
    Will the measures take effect from midnight Monday or Tuesday?

    What measures? Nothing has been announced.


  • #5327
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,047 ✭✭✭jackboy


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020/09/23/covid-19-vaccine-protocols-reveal-that-trials-are-designed-to-succeed/#6bfbeed85247

    “We all expect an effective vaccine to prevent serious illness if infected. Three of the vaccine protocols—Moderna, Pfizer, and AstraZeneca—do not require that their vaccine prevent serious disease only that they prevent moderate symptoms which may be as mild as cough, or headache.“

    What does that mean?

    It means it can go to market even if it is only marginally effective and will save few lives.


  • #5328
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Yes, 15 and up can spread it just like anyone else, however, all of the evidence suggests that it doesn't spread in schools.

    Think about it. Controlled conditions in schools versus 15-18 year olds running around feral all day. The school situation is much safer.

    How controlled are our schools though? Class numbers are high and so is virus transmission, the two don't go together. It will spread if community transmission exists in high numbers. They'll still be learning just online.


  • #5329
    Ellie2008
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Ellie2008


    sterz wrote: »
    What measures? Nothing has been announced.

    Sorry I’m assuming measures will be announced after the Cabinet meeting on Monday.


  • #5330
    Jizique
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,183 ✭✭✭Jizique


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020/09/23/covid-19-vaccine-protocols-reveal-that-trials-are-designed-to-succeed/#6bfbeed85247

    “We all expect an effective vaccine to prevent serious illness if infected. Three of the vaccine protocols—Moderna, Pfizer, and AstraZeneca—do not require that their vaccine prevent serious disease only that they prevent moderate symptoms which may be as mild as cough, or headache.“

    What does that mean?

    It means they don’t really work but you will be expected to take them anyway to support the pharma companies


  • #5331
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,236 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    For 3rd to 6th years? Government will need to feature this into plan for moving some education online. Schools could also offer help in this regard to these students.

    No offence but that's just waffle. Two weeks to mid term, so what will provide sufficient broadband for a couple of students plus parents WFH? Schools can't help beyond lending a few tablets, if they have them. Government can't magically rollout broadband.

    It's great to throw out these seemingly easy options but they don't work jn the real world.


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  • #5332
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,170 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Mr.S wrote: »
    Supermarkets will never close. Panic buying and stockpiling now does nothing but harm supply chains.

    I know that, you know that but nphet are so focused on numbers and data they've lost sight of human behaviour. The constant leaking of 'advice' and the never ending changing narrative has left many people in fear and anxiety. They're left doing things that on the face of it seem irrational but to them they're doing what they deem necessary.


  • #5333
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,646 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    jackboy wrote: »
    It means it can go to market even if it is only marginally effective and will save few lives.

    FDA approval for what will essentially be the greatest placebo the world has ever seen


  • #5334
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,539 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    How controlled are our schools though? Class numbers are high and so is virus transmission, the two don't go together. It will spread if community transmission exists in high numbers. They'll still be learning just online.

    Not only that but if kids are at home learning remotely parents need to do their job and ensure the kids are home and not out socializing.


  • #5335
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    No offence but that's just waffle. Two weeks to mid term, so what will provide sufficient broadband for a couple of students plus parents WFH? Schools can't help beyond lending a few tablets, if they have them. Government can't magically rollout broadband.

    It's great to throw out these seemingly easy options but they don't work jn the real world.

    Mid term is extended break. Really funny that Jim, it works for other countries, it's not nuclear fusion we're discussing. Whether there's political will is another question entirely.


  • #5336
    Thierry12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    Jizique wrote: »
    What’s the infection rate for 4-8 year olds?

    No one knows

    They have noses, eyes, mouths like the rest of us

    I'd say if they did an experiment they wouldn't have some special immunity just because they are small


  • #5337
    Thierry12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    Interesting that gym is mask only entry, think it would be fair to allow gyms remain open if they could enforce mask wearing. In terms of schools I agree ,with cases so high it is inherently risky to allow this.

    Yeah they've enforced it since June

    They enforce masks in retail, hairdressers etc too and closing them in level 4

    Makes no sense to do that


  • #5338
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,611 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Mr.S wrote: »
    Supermarkets will never close. Panic buying and stockpiling now does nothing but harm supply chains.

    Oh not panic buying again. Will people ever learn? The people that were doing the panic buying back in March should be too ashamed to do it again.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • #5339
    completedit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    FDA approval for what will essentially be the greatest placebo the world has ever seen

    And the same people who want full. Lockdown will be happy to go out and resume normality because the man on the telly told them its okay. At this stage the corona virus is an infection of the mind, as much as it is of the immune system.


  • #5340
    DebDynamite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,733 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »
    Oh not panic buying again. Will people ever learn? The people that were doing the panic buying back in March should be too ashamed to do it again.

    Also, remember the articles about bins full of unused food? People stocked up on food they didn’t have a hope of using before it went off.


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  • #5341
    Jizique
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,183 ✭✭✭Jizique


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    No one knows

    They have noses, eyes, mouths like the rest of us

    I'd say if they did an experiment they wouldn't have some special immunity just because they are small

    It is easier if you say you don’t know.
    How many 4-8 year olds in hospital, among the 260?
    How many in ICU?
    How many 4-8 year olds have died from the “lethal virus” as RTÉ describe it?


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