Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

rusty cole wrote: »

you know a famous NON scientist once said if you stare at the tip of a finger too long you focus so much that you miss all the other possibilities.. This is the problem I have with your thought process. You're demanding " Anti VAX" minded folk should offer up a viable alternative to the Vaccine..here's one for you, what makes you think there should be one?? there was none in 1918, not a sign on one at the plague around the fall of the roman empire, there was none when one 3rd Europe were pulling at their armpits and groins, squeezing oozing buboes!! the sheer arrogance that something scientist actually promote as being so very deadly, can be turned off in the worlds fastest race for a vaccine since the scramble for the final golden ticket in willy wonka, is laughable

nature moves in waves and when a Tsunami hits, the weakest and oldest, will be taken more easily..the subsequent waves are a little less harsh and will take less due to stronger and yes younger swimmers being able to thread water and see it through... I use that analogy and it helps me sleep ant night.. every now and again a new wave comes and when we don't see it, we're caught off guard but I don't for one minute believe this is our meteor Vs the dinosaurs moment so we need to just let it take it's course because the resistance alone is self evident as to the affects mentally on BOARDS.ie alone...even I admit that.

I am not ignoring any of those of those plaques or pandemics. Especially the most recent one. The Spanish Flu.The one we know was caused by a virus.
Unlike now there was little understanding of viruses at the time.
They had little option other than isolating and hope it burned itself out.
It did so after 4 waves that infected 500 million and killed anywhere between 17 million and 50 million. 3-10% of those infected.
We have learned a lot about viruses, diseases and vaccines since then.



We know the benefits vaccines have provided in combating, (even to the point of near eradication) of many of those. Just such a few being, Polio, Tetanus, Rubella, Hepatitus A & B, Rubella, Hib, Measles, Whooping Cough etc. etc.


It`s all very well and good saying it`s Mother Natures plan and she will sort it out, We may not be that many levels above where that is the case in the rest of the animal kingdom, but vaccines have done more to combat the effects of viruses and diseases in a few years than Mother Nature has in millennia.


For those reasons the situation now is worlds removed from the Spanish Flu, where they had no options other than basically twiddle their thumbs and hope for the best.
For people to suggest that is the approach we should adapt now, to me is like saying if God wanted us to fly he would have given us wings

SusieBlue wrote: »

I have zero intention of entering into a lengthy multi-quote battle with anyone, where each sentence in a post is dissected line by line over and over until one person gets fed up or a mod gets involved.
All it does is derail threads, no one wants to read page after pages of that. It’s boring for everyone else and stifles conversation. There’s no need for it.
Thank god for the ignore button, who on earth has time for that.

Yeah I saw his response and just looked up the definition of the word “ filibuster”.

Your post was consistent, concise, considerable and wholly empathetic to the issues the vast majority of us realistically face with a lockdown

Thierry12 wrote: »

There will be ones soon but they wont give immunity

You'll be less sick and certaintly won't die, but immunity no

It could be said that (without NPHET manipulating reported daily deaths numbers) that we are 90% there. Hence 0.23% covid fatality rate. (Supported by a very under-reported WHO report last Wednesday)

Thierry12 wrote: »

There will be ones soon but they wont give immunity

You'll be less sick and certaintly won't die, but immunity no

Most likely the case with the first versions of these vaccines

Many would look on not dying as a good days work all the same.

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Well, if you look at the Government's plan for "Living" with Covid19, there is no Level 0....

....that tells you all you need to know about how they plan to go with the suppression strategy, they aren't able to tell us how to live with the virus and try mitigate the worst aspects of it...

It seems we're looking at levels 3 to 5 for until the vaccine arrives.

And until then it’s carrot chasing for us donkeys for 2-3 years or more

MadYaker wrote: »

Any thought given to the issues we may face without a lockdown?

Cases will continue to increase, some will end up in hospital, the vast majority of whom will be fine, but some will unfortunately die.

What the pro-restrictions types like yourself can't understand is that it isn't about trying to prevent every death (that's just not possible or realistic), it's trying not to destroy the country and society in the process of trying to deal with it.

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Cases will continue to increase, some will end up in hospital, the vast majority of whom will be fine, but some will unfortunately die.

What the pro-restrictions types like yourself can't understand is that it isn't about trying to prevent every death (that's just not possible or realistic), it's trying not to destroy the country and society in the process of trying to deal with it.

You don't see any issues around hospital capacity no?

SusieBlue wrote: »

I have zero intention of entering into a lengthy multi-quote battle with anyone, where each sentence in a post is dissected line by line over and over until one person gets fed up or a mod gets involved.
All it does is derail threads, no one wants to read page after pages of that. It’s boring for everyone else and stifles conversation. There’s no need for it.
Thank god for the ignore button, who on earth has time for that.

SusieBlue, are you my clone? Because I so very much agree with every word of your common sense posts I could have written them myself. You'll have noticed the condescending and derogatory attitude of your detractors. Everyone who disagrees with them and doesn't want another pointless lockdown is an idiot, selfish, ignorant! But it's actually them who are ignorant, selfish and much more when they refuse to show any understanding or compassion for the many whose lives have been thrown into utter chaos by all this and refuse to see the wider picture.

And you're absolutely right that public buy in is way down. People are utterly weary from 7 months of non stop hysteria and with the death rate from the disease remaining low and hospital and ICU numbers still nowhere near overwhelming and with no real end game in sight [remember flatten the curve??]it will be very hard to persuade people to comply.

I'm slightly encouraged that no decision has been made yet nor will there be one over the weekend. Any day of relative normality is to be cherished in this mad country.

charlie14 wrote: »

I am not ignoring any of those of those plaques or pandemics. Especially the most recent one. The Spanish Flu.

Ffs. The spanish flu wasn't the most recent pandemic. Why do people keep spouting this ****?

So if two weeks in March was four months, six weeks will be what, nine months? And to think they “don’t know yet” if we will be able to see our families for Christmas. Would they go away and shlte. This crap gets more ridiculous by the day

patnor1011 wrote: »

Fearmongering? About what? I would be actually having fun if it was not tragic to see how irrationally scared people act.

Don’t mind P, he essentially picks a poster and chirps in with comments like “who’s hysterical now” for a few weeks.

When challenged he won’t be seen for a week.

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

People will still get sick and die from Covid with a vaccine.

Do people realise that?

That’s the paradox, if Covid was killing children and making them ill a vaccine would be the messiah, but it’s likely going to have little effect for obese old people.

Anyway, it will depend on social media and where it sets the moral checkpoint for an acceptable level of deaths of 88 year olds in nursing homes as to when the restrictions can be removed

How have you come to that conclusion ?

Have you read it somewhere ?

Surely if the vaccine stops " an obese old person " getting covid it will work