Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

eagle eye · 17-10-2020 01:17PM

manniot2 wrote:

Can you prove that not going to level 5 that time has resulted in increased cases?

Yes but if you have to ask that question then I'm wasting my time providing you with an answer.

GeorgeBailey · 17-10-2020 01:18PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The fact Tony has been called in despite the letter explaining their reasoning says that cabinet are not convinced at all at all

Optics more than anything I would've thought.

Plumbthedepths · 17-10-2020 01:18PM

bennyl10 wrote: »

Independent “ There is a growing belief that Cabinet will again shoot down Nphet's call for the highest level of coronavirus regulations and instead introduce Level 4 restrictions.

However, senior figures in the two main Government parties say it is inevitable countrywide near-lockdown restrictions will be introduced in the coming days.”

Times quote a government source as we probably are going to have to seriously consider going to a Level 4”.

Same on radio all morning also

Very clearly level 4 is being seriously considered and the option most likely

They can instigate level 100 for the difference it will make, all it does is closes the economy and destroys the lives of hundreds of thousands. Level 3 with proper enforcement and fines is the way to go.

mloc123 · 17-10-2020 01:19PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Yes but if you have to ask that question then I'm wasting my time providing you with an answer.

In fairness, you cannot prove that... You can speculate or make an educated assumption.. but can't prove it.

batman75 · 17-10-2020 01:20PM

I don't know if the country can financially afford to go to level 4/5 nationwide. Even having had a prolonged lockdown we are where we are now. I really don't know what the answer is. The Govt are doing everything to stall a lockdown. I think we will end up in lockdown just not sure how much good it will do as we risk returning to this same point we are at now, when any lockdown ends.

bennyl10 · 17-10-2020 01:20PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

They can instigate level 100 for the difference it will make, all it does is closes the economy and destroys the lives of hundreds of thousands. Level 3 with proper enforcement and fines is the way to go.

If closing the economy saves lives, in terms of people who require hospitalisation over the winter and availability of hospital space that it’s necessary

You can rebuild the economy, you can’t rebuild death

KindOfIrish · 17-10-2020 01:21PM

Paddygreen wrote: »

People should pull on the green jersey when they are staying home to stay safe the next time. A bit of patriotism. We have the hand of destiny on our shoulder as we hold firm in the face of the terrifying virus. Holding firm on the home front as our hero’s man the barricades. If there is a god he would be on our side. In it together as we stay apart. Hunkered down with our essentials waiting for George Lee and Dr Hulahoop to comfort us, those old familiar faces that warm our hearts and give us hope. Dark days indeed but if we follow the guidelines at least some of us might make it.

That was very good. The only thing, you are too optimistic. No one will make it. We all going to die.:eek:

Plumbthedepths · 17-10-2020 01:22PM

bennyl10 wrote: »

If closing the economy saves lives, in terms of people who require hospitalisation over the winter and availability of hospital space that it’s necessary

You can rebuild the economy, you can’t rebuild death

I lost friends to suicide during the last crash. Strange thing is none of those I knew were raised form the grave when the economy bounced back.

MerlinSouthDub · 17-10-2020 01:22PM

khalessi wrote: »

Yes, but are those children counted as school tests because they are children?

I got one of my kids tested in early Sept, they had a cough which was the reason for the test, I counted 70 other kids there while I was at testing centre. There were a lot of bugs flying around when schools first reopened and the majority of parents were getting their children tested as per regulations.

There is not mass testing going on in schools despite what is said in the media.

Why does it make any difference if the tests are labelled school tests are not? The data is clear, infection rates in children are lower than other parts of the population. Children are being tested in very large numbers.

normanoffside · 17-10-2020 01:23PM

Looking at all the graphs of countries who put various different measure in place I am beginning to think that the virus does what it does no matter what restrictions, fines etc are in place.

caveat emptor · 17-10-2020 01:23PM

Derek Zoolander wrote: »

If you’re genuinely suffering I’d suggest trawling twitter for every possible negative study about covid isn’t going to do wonders for your mood or outlook...

Probably worth finding a good series on Netflix and ignoring the news for a week or so -

Thanks for your concern. I don’t mind following restrictions when there is an endpoint or a goal. If that’s not forthcoming then it’s every man/woman for themselves as I’m sure you’ve already grasped.

MelbourneMan · 17-10-2020 01:23PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

They can instigate level 100 for the difference it will make, all it does is closes the economy and destroys the lives of hundreds of thousands. Level 3 with proper enforcement and fines is the way to go.

Statistically, compliance and the question of enforcement isnt really a problem at all. Certainly, it would put further downward pressure on R0 if all complied fully with the advice, but the effect of non compliance, other than irritation to the compliant, is negligible in the context of the effect of the measure in the levels themselves. Far too much prominence is given to the compliance / non-compliance issue than in merits in the effect on transmission.

Goldrickssan · 17-10-2020 01:24PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I lost friends to suicide during the last crash. Strange thing is none of those I knew were raised form the grave when the economy bounced back.

If your cause of death wasn't covid these level 5 lockdown merchants don't give a damn.

caveat emptor · 17-10-2020 01:26PM

Schools going well.

https://twitter.com/jdbfitzgerald/status/1317371910557208577?s=21

political analyst · 17-10-2020 01:26PM

bennyl10 wrote: »

If closing the economy saves lives, in terms of people who require hospitalisation over the winter and availability of hospital space that it’s necessary

You can rebuild the economy, you can’t rebuild death

Closing the economy means less money for the health service. So how does closing the economy save lives?

Plumbthedepths · 17-10-2020 01:26PM

Goldrickssan wrote: »

If your cause of death wasn't covid these level 5 lockdown merchants don't give a damn.

I suspect many of them are WFH and will experience little or no change in their personal finances.
Not a fan of Varadkar but he nailed it when he said none of the Nphet team will find themselves on the PUP scheme if level 5 is instigated.

17-10-2020 01:27PM

Before they discuss Covid this afternoon they should sort out how, once again, a disastrous leak occurred of the contents of NPHET's report to the Gov sent on Thursday evening. Whatever the spin, whatever the holes, whoever did it, it needs to never happen again. It sends everyone into a tailspin and is unfair and a thuggish low-level way of conducting business. Who wants to be told by the frigging Irish Daily Mail what the cabinet's decision might be?

Wolf359f · 17-10-2020 01:29PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Looking at all the graphs of countries who put various different measure in place I am beginning to think that the virus does what it does no matter what restrictions, fines etc are in place.

"The virus does what it does" you can replace virus with the public!

DrSpongeBobz · 17-10-2020 01:29PM

THE COALITION vs NPHET ROUND 2

Loafing Oaf · 17-10-2020 01:30PM

Balagan1 wrote: »

Before they discuss Covid this afternoon they should sort out how, once again, a disastrous leak occurred of the contents of NPHET's report to the Gov sent on Thursday evening. Whatever the spin, whatever the holes, whoever did it, it needs to never happen again. It sends everyone into a tailspin and is unfair and a thuggish low-level way of conducting business. Who wants to be told by the frigging Irish Daily Mail what the cabinet's decision might be?

If a lot of people have access to that sort of info it's impossible to track down who leaked it. Media are 'under oath' not to divulge sources...

mloc123 · 17-10-2020 01:32PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Looking at all the graphs of countries who put various different measure in place I am beginning to think that the virus does what it does no matter what restrictions, fines etc are in place.

It is almost like compliance is the issue... And has been for 3 months now.

ACitizenErased · 17-10-2020 01:33PM

There is 100000000% a person leaking stuff from
NPHET. Look at the size of the committee ffs, of course there is.

Tenzor07 · 17-10-2020 01:33PM

mloc123 wrote: »

It is almost like compliance is the issue... And has been for 3 months now.

So when Holohan brings in Level 5+ and 4 to 6 weeks later there's still 800+ cases a month what will be his next plan.....

bennyl10 · 17-10-2020 01:33PM

Goldrickssan wrote: »

If your cause of death wasn't covid these level 5 lockdown merchants don't give a damn.

I’m far from a “lockdown merchant”. It’s not what should be happening but is is fast becoming necessary

If the health system and ICU are reaching capacity now, they’ll be unable to cope in November

Then people will die. Covid or not, unnecessary deaths will occur die to beds not being available

The government should have built up the Health service in the summer, they didn’t and now we have to build a contingency plan

Level 3 isn’t working. The next step is level 4.

Someone who doesn’t agree with the plan that “ ah people will die we need to protect some business” should not be labelled a ‘merchant’ as if it’s a radical idea

manniot2 · 17-10-2020 01:35PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Yes but if you have to ask that question then I'm wasting my time providing you with an answer.

You can prove that not closing non essential retail resulted in increased cases in the last few weeks? Please I think if you can prove this you should really share the info you have, it wont be a waste of time.

Tenzor07 · 17-10-2020 01:35PM

bennyl10 wrote: »

The government should have built up the Health service in the summer, they didn’t and now we have to build a contingency plan

Lockdowns aren't a contingency plan, they're a panic button for a Government and Health service who failed to use the Summer lockdown to be ready for the winter season...

normanoffside · 17-10-2020 01:35PM

mloc123 wrote: »

It is almost like compliance is the issue... And has been for 3 months now.

Ok so show me a country (don't say New Zealand) where compliance is working..

All European countries (barring Sweden) are following the same path no matter what they have done, did do or are doing right now.

17-10-2020 01:35PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

If a lot of people have access to that sort of info it's impossible to track down who leaked it. Media are 'under oath' not to divulge sources...

Look, the media has cooperated totally and completely with the powers-that-be to supress/hide/play peekaboo with the researched and documented stats of Covid in schools so they could, for the benefit of the proper and orderly and fair handling of NEPHET reports to the Gov, tell anyone coming with a leak to take a hike.

Plumbthedepths · 17-10-2020 01:36PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

So when Holohan brings in Level 5+ and 4 to 6 weeks later there's still 800+ cases a month what will be his next plan.....

Welding training is being fast tracked to weld people into their homes.

caveat emptor · 17-10-2020 01:36PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I suspect many of them are WFH and will experience little or no change in their personal finances.
Not a fan of Varadkar but he nailed it when he said none of the Nphet team will find themselves on the PUP scheme if level 5 is instigated.

Good point, I'd like to see him taking the PUP in solidarity those he so steadfastly represents. People forget Leo the leak is above all else a man of the people.

Source you say?

Bag of cans in the park I'd retort.

Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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