Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

caveat emptor · 17-10-2020 02:49AM

Sure.....wait a sec. I get your reference to deodorant now. Nice.
I placed that tweet there to highlight the fact that looking at Sweden is not a like for like comparison.
I believe plumbs is firmly in the let it rip camp. Didn't you know.

This approach is fraught with peril and borderline idiotic.

Plumbthedepths · 17-10-2020 02:51AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Come on man, how was I to know a doctor from a university misspoke and later clarified. I'm not apologising for a reputable source.

I've not been directed to the part where you acknowledged you don't have two wives and a son donating a kidney around the time you were espousing to get back to normal.

Shocking: Maybe we should adopt the Swedish style and adopt morphine deaths as opposed to covid so we don't pollute our death figures? Immoral yes but in support of certain line of thought.

https://twitter.com/JoannaTeglund/status/1317093538702774278?s=20

Nah maybe you should address the false tweets you posted that frankly if many people believed could cause serious harm. You post crap but when you get called out on the veracity seek to blame the author. You take no responsibility for your behaviour. Prehaps you could post a graph to illustrate this conversation. It's late time for bed, have a good one.

caveat emptor · 17-10-2020 02:55AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Nah maybe you should address the false tweets you posted that frankly if many people believed could cause serious harm. You post crap but when you get called out on the veracity seek to blame the author. You take no responsibility for your behaviour. Prehaps you could post a graph to illustrate this conversation. It's late time for bed, have a good one.

What are you on about. I've a friend and he says x. You were promising a vaccine in 6 months, 7 months ago. You are hilarious.
Night night. I think I'll join you.

Wolf359f · 17-10-2020 02:57AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Sure.....wait a sec. I get your reference to deodorant now. Nice.
I placed that tweet there to highlight the fact that looking at Sweden is not a like for like comparison.
I believe plumbs is firmly in the let it rip camp. Didn't you know.

This approach is fraught with peril and borderline idiotic.

I'm thinking you're reading his post wrong. It can be taking as a question or as sarcastic. But, if he has a history on that train of thought, that's a different story.

Plumbthedepths · 17-10-2020 02:59AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

What are you on about. I've a friend and he says x. You were promising a vaccine in 6 months, 7 months ago. You are hilarious.

Whatever dude , you have displayed a willingness to posts lies and a refusal to own the lies you post. You should leave aside the personal stuff it serves no purpose.

caveat emptor · 17-10-2020 03:02AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Whatever dude , you have displayed a willingness to posts lies and a refusal to own the lies you post. You should leave aside the personal stuff it serves no purpose.

Ok no worries. I feel we are getting way off track and you refuse to acknowledge the existence of the two wives who support the two stories. I've posted more scientific facts than most on here, well before most also. What is your position on polygamy?

End of the day I don't know you from Adam.

Give it a rest please for the sake of the internet.

eagle eye · 17-10-2020 03:14AM

Plumbthedepths wrote:

See that's the thing lad , I owned up to my less than honest posting although what I posted concerned me and noone else or purported facts. You however posted several false tweets and when called out blamed the authors of said tweets. The Stanford university tweet springs to mind.

You never owned up to being so wrong about this virus.

You came up with a comment about being purposely naive or something like that and refused to explain what it means. The fact that it's not possible is why I kept asking you.

You are constantly belittling and denigrating other posters too.

440Hertz · 17-10-2020 03:18AM

Isn’t there a attack the post, never the poster mantra on Boards.ie?

It’s late. The mods are probably asleep, but I’d suggest maybe hitting “report” rather than derailing an otherwise useful thread.

Paddygreen · 17-10-2020 03:35AM

Calm down guys. I know we are all terrified right now but If we could all get on the same page with listening to Dr Hulahoops advice that would be great going forward.

caveat emptor · 17-10-2020 03:46AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

I'm thinking you're reading his post wrong. It can be taking as a question or as sarcastic. But, if he has a history on that train of thought, that's a different story.

I wish the poster exhibited the same default to truth. Of course it could be misinterpreted. The onus is on the poster.

Night folks,
Stay safe,

JTMan · 17-10-2020 06:57AM

Indo reporting that there's strong opposition amongst ministers for level 5 nationwide. A compromise might be to implement level 4 nationwide. https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/ministers-keen-to-reject-level-5-advice-but-more-restrictions-already-looming-39634505.html

Vicxas · 17-10-2020 07:32AM

JTMan wrote: »

Indo reporting that there's strong opposition amongst ministers for level 5 nationwide. A compromise might be to implement level 4 nationwide. https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/ministers-keen-to-reject-level-5-advice-but-more-restrictions-already-looming-39634505.html

So same thing again, NPHET wants 5 we give them 3, they want 5 we give them 4.

s1ippy · 17-10-2020 07:41AM

Government are actually the biggest bunch of cunts. Can we not just get this horrible time out of the way and hopefully we'll come out the other end of it better instead of worse. We could already be seeing improvement if they just listened last week.

GazzaL · 17-10-2020 07:49AM

Stheno wrote: »

Dublin currently

No wet pubs - level five of original plan
No household visits - level four of original plan

Still being called level three

Complete screw up

I don't see any sense in what NPHET are doing. New restrictions came in this week and have not been given a chance at all

NPHET don't give a **** about ordinary people, they're getting paid regardless of what happens, they're blinded by group think, and they want to avoid any blame at all costs. Pathetic.

Dempo1 · 17-10-2020 07:50AM

JTMan wrote: »

Indo reporting that there's strong opposition amongst ministers for level 5 nationwide. A compromise might be to implement level 4 nationwide. https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/ministers-keen-to-reject-level-5-advice-but-more-restrictions-already-looming-39634505.html

Also reporting yet again a FG TD (Alan Farrell) tweeting NPHET briefing the media again which of course is patent nonsense. NPHET went to extraordinary lengths to avoid any leaks or discussions on any recommendations re level 5 at the last press conference, I watched every second of it. That stance continued all day yesterday on various interviews.

It's seems FG in particular haven't learned their lesson when it comes to their cynical and underhanded behaviour and attempts to undermine NPHET.

There's no doubting Government avoiding Level 5 at all costs (and that's actually the problem) whilst they don't seem to get it, Level 3.and whatever your having is already affecting businesses, Level 4 by its very structure will damage many businesses anyway . If its the case they are primarily concerned about the economy (shocking in itself), they are missing the point. This drip drip approach is and has not worked, whatever spin they put on it.

If there's any chance of either surpressing the increasing high numbers and whatever is left of saving some economic activity up to Christmas , brutal and decisive action needed NOW.

Instead there's the obsession of schools remaining open and the thought of having vast numbers going into PUP payments for a few weeks, seems to terrify Government more than hospitals being swamped and Nursing homes (now 131 homes confirming outbreaks) devasted. They also know full well Teacher's, rightly won't tolerate being put in an impossible situation if level 5 introduced.

wadacrack · 17-10-2020 07:50AM

s1ippy wrote: »

Government are actually the biggest bunch of cunts. Can we not just get this horrible time out of the way and hopefully we'll come out the other end of it better instead of worse. We could already be seeing improvement if they just listened last week.

We have to learn from this. I dont see the point in just going to 4 which is bad enough and unlikely to come out of it for over 3 months at least. The sitaution may imrove much more drastically if we go to 5 for 6 weeks and hopefully learn some mistakes from the past few months. Rapid testing hopefully not too far away

GazzaL · 17-10-2020 08:00AM

wadacrack wrote: »

We have to learn from this. I dont see the point in just going to 4 which is bad enough and unlikely to come out of it for over 3 months at least. The sitaution may imrove much more drastically if we go to 5 for 6 weeks and hopefully learn some mistakes from the past few months. Rapid testing hopefully not too far away

NPHET haven't learned from any of their mistakes. Going to level 5 is also a mistake. Forcing businesses that have been operating safely without any COVID cases to shut while allowing schools with cases to remain open is a mistake. Shouting headline grabbing case numbers every night of the week while 80% are asymptomatic is a mistake. Not dealing with the important numbers like test result times, contact tracing effectiveness, and hospital and ICU capacity are further mistakes.

giveitholly · 17-10-2020 08:02AM

s1ippy wrote: »

Government are actually the biggest bunch of cunts. Can we not just get this horrible time out of the way and hopefully we'll come out the other end of it better instead of worse. We could already be seeing improvement if they just listened last week.

Why are they *****? Do you not realise the difficult position they are in,Say they close down everything for 4-6 weeks,what do they do then,stay closed down forever or open up again for a while and close down again? If only everything was as easy as close everything until we get a vaccine but no they are just *****,great attitude

obi604 · 17-10-2020 08:04AM

In the latter half of the summer, there was no real lockdown and yet the cases stayed relatively low........still a few but nothing major.

What made this all change so badly in the last few weeks?

Dempo1 · 17-10-2020 08:06AM

GazzaL wrote: »

NPHET haven't learned from any of their mistakes. Going to level 5 is also a mistake. Forcing businesses that have been operating safely without any COVID cases to shut while allowing schools with cases to remain open is a mistake. Shouting headline grabbing case numbers every night of the week while 80% are asymptomatic is a mistake. Not dealing with the important numbers like test result times, contact tracing effectiveness, and hospital and ICU capacity are further mistakes.

Are you seriously suggesting ICU capacity is NPHETS fault? I've not once even heard a raised voice at a NPHET press conference let alone shouting. They advise not decide and yes inform us, the public on numbers and stats, is that not part of their brief, infact they've been the only consistent and truthful aspect throughout this crisis. We're you upset in July when they equally reported decreasing numbers and improving situations, you can't always have cake and eat it.

Dempo1 · 17-10-2020 08:07AM

giveitholly wrote: »

Why are they *****? Do you not realise the difficult position they are in,Say they close down everything for 4-6 weeks,what do they do then,stay closed down forever or open up again for a while and close down again? If only everything was as easy as close everything until we get a vaccine but no they are just *****,great attitude

Yes they are in a difficult position but if course mainly of there own doing, especially......

https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40066064.html

s1ippy · 17-10-2020 08:08AM

Bring in eviction ban, esp for businesses
Reinstate mortgage holiday
Close school buildings and limit visits to nursing homes
5km rule except for work/supplies
Pubs and restaurants takeaway only

A month and a half of hibernation, properly enforced, will see this bastard virus with nowhere to spread. Why did we not do it before all this damage was already done and the tide is harder to turn???

I'm wrecked from it I'm going eating coco pops and watching cartoons.

giveitholly · 17-10-2020 08:09AM

s1ippy wrote: »

Bring in eviction ban, esp for businesses
Reinstate mortgage holiday
Close school buildings and limit visits to nursing homes
5km rule except for work/supplies
Pubs and restaurants takeaway only

A month and a half of hibernation, properly enforced, will see this bastard virus with nowhere to spread. Why did we not do it before all this damage was already done and the tide is harder to turn???

I'm wrecked from it I'm going eating coco pops and watching cartoons.

We did all that before and here we are again back to square one

Gruffalux · 17-10-2020 08:10AM

obi604 wrote: »

In the latter half of the summer, there was no real lockdown and yet the cases stayed relatively low........still a few but nothing major.

What made this all change so badly in the last few weeks?

Gael23 · 17-10-2020 08:10AM

Any links to suggestions of level 4?

s1ippy · 17-10-2020 08:12AM

If you cut the chains of transmission by extinguishing the avenues the virus uses to transmit, the lower rate will mean you can safely open segments of society again.

Schools were done recklessly. They're the root cause of all this transmission currently. It doesn't have to be like that next time.

Srsly tho now I have to go get sugary cereal for this bad bad hangover, I'm rewatching Animaniacs because they're making two more seasons.

seamusk84 · 17-10-2020 08:16AM

JTMan wrote: »

Indo reporting that there's strong opposition amongst ministers for level 5 nationwide. A compromise might be to implement level 4 nationwide. https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/ministers-keen-to-reject-level-5-advice-but-more-restrictions-already-looming-39634505.html

Hmm all the shops still close (except essential). Not much of a difference between 4 and 5.
So even at level 4 the economy would be crippled.
Really hope we just stall the ball and see if we can make level 3+ work now for two weeks. I think the banning of private household visits will do the trick personally.
We need to give it a chance!

Roger_007 · 17-10-2020 08:18AM

obi604 wrote: »

In the latter half of the summer, there was no real lockdown and yet the cases stayed relatively low........still a few but nothing major.

What made this all change so badly in the last few weeks?

The same pattern has occurred all over Europe despite different strategies being employed by different governments. So what is it that every country in Europe has in common and imo there are two things:
1. The weather has got colder and people are spending more time indoors.
2. The schools have reopened after the summer break.

CruelSummer · 17-10-2020 08:18AM

JTMan wrote: »

Indo reporting that there's strong opposition amongst ministers for level 5 nationwide. A compromise might be to implement level 4 nationwide. https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/ministers-keen-to-reject-level-5-advice-but-more-restrictions-already-looming-39634505.html

So level 4 closes shops that are all following the rules & have invested in Covid procedures to reopen. This is utter madness. We need enforcement of these measures.
All Dr Tony wants is lockdown. He’s no other suggestions. We cannot use this as a strategy to control Covid long term-his last lockdown went on forever. It’s easy to control Covid when we’re all stuck at home. This isn’t an appropriate response and not one other European country is doing it. They’re trying to enforce level 3. Not to mention these kinds of measures will bankrupt the country ultimately. Zero Covid professors will get wheeled out again, all conveniently forgetting we live in the EU and share a border with the U.K - none of whom want to go down that route.
There will not be the buy in there was in March to a lockdown either, NPHET & the Government kept hammering in Covid misery to the population all summer long & people have had enough. I’m actually quite shocked at how many people don’t give a toss & are just going along with things to function. They lost the dressing room.

CruelSummer · 17-10-2020 08:20AM

Roger_007 wrote: »

The same pattern has occurred all over Europe despite different strategies being employed by different governments. So what is it that every country in Europe has in common and imo there are two things:
1. The weather has got colder and people are spending more time indoors.
2. The schools have reopened after the summer break.

Children mixed all summer long on camps, GAA training, play dates. There were huge amount of people dining indoors on staycations & none of this resulted in any major increase in cases. It seems to point to Covid being a seasonal virus - which we will have to live with ultimately...

Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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