Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

Beasty · 16-10-2020 07:55PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1317081994195570690

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1317039712805203968

You've been warned enough about this

You are now threadbanned

Spanish Eyes · 16-10-2020 07:57PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Yeah, he'd know about running.

https://twitter.com/CowenBarry/status/1317136126365388801?s=20

Who is this person? Is he related to Brian Cowen or what?

Get off the stage you muppet.

Funsterdelux · 16-10-2020 07:58PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

I have read all the reports. Group think. Poor structures, bad governance and Lack of independence. NPHET have all of that.

Nphet/public health = Science
Banking/economic ≠ science

mohawk · 16-10-2020 07:59PM

Necro wrote: »

Exactly. I'm fairly sure I caught Covid from a mate who had been up the North (never told me) watching a match two weeks ago around at his place. His sister subsequently tested positive during the week.

I only developed symptoms on the Tuesday so the contact tracers didn't even want to know about what I did Saturday evening.

From what I have read they are only interested in what you did for previous 48hours. Some people take 5-14 days to develop symptoms. Therefore I would conclude the track and trace system was always going to fail as they have never been getting on top of the virus. In typical HSE fashion they have decided to pass the buck and refuse to take responsibility so will play the blame game.
It’s very easy to call for Level 5 when your job is safe and will be safe. It is vital that they have plans to fix it and get it right. People are frustrated now what will they be like when lockdown 3 is suggested??

Boggles · 16-10-2020 07:59PM

rob316 wrote: »

It's not just about covid though, why are you so blind to the bigger picture. Or does this lockdown have zero effect on you?

Again, not actually debating any of the points I made, but persisting with some pretty creepy personalisation.

I am neither part of NPHET or the Cabinet.

You do understand right?

It wasn't me that allowed tracing to collapse.

Personally I think it should have been a priority, given.

Test, Trace & Isolate was the plan.

Now I sense you are angry, but why that is being directed at me is truly a mystery.

So if you could stop please, I'd appreciate it.

10000maniacs · 16-10-2020 07:59PM

Arghus wrote: »

I know.

I think that discussion will eventually happen with the North if the potential brutality of the coming few weeks comes to pass.

It seems politically impossible now, but I think November will soften a lot of coughs.

The only way to stop the virus crossing the border is to put all of the border counties into an extended level 5 lockdown. Yes it's tough for them, but our current outbreak down south didn't come out of fresh air. It came from the North.

rob316 · 16-10-2020 08:01PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Is this the same "bigger picture" that involves riots in the streets?

NPHET have one purpose and one purpose only advise on public health. The government have to make decisions in the public's interest. The overall interest not just some.
We have to bite our tongue, hold our nerve and try to get through this with the least damage as possible to the country.

People will get sick and die, it's a pandemic.

TonyMaloney · 16-10-2020 08:01PM

10000maniacs wrote: »

The only way to stop the virus crossing the border is to put all of the border counties into an extended level 5 lockdown. Yes it's tough for them, but our current outbreak down south didn't come out of fresh air. It came from the North.

Correct. It mostly came from poorly ventilated spaces down South.

TheDeep · 16-10-2020 08:02PM

bk wrote: »

That is the point. Rather then having 14 Gardai standing around manning a checkpoint, you could have 4 Gardai + 10 soldiers assisting them, while the other 10 Gardai go off and do something more useful, like breaking up house parties, etc.

Or don’t have checkpoints all at because the guards can’t make you go home anyway. Maybe then they could go out and catch a criminal or two.

16-10-2020 08:03PM

The incomparably stupid panic buyers are back, stripping the shelves bare. Stopped by my local Lidl, trolleys coming out the door stacked high with toilet roll. Shower of neanderthals.

TonyMaloney · 16-10-2020 08:03PM

rob316 wrote: »

NPHET have one purpose and one purpose only advise on public health. The government have to make decisions in the public's interest. The overall interest not just some.
We have to bite our tongue, hold our nerve and try to get through this with the least damage as possible to the country.

People will get sick and die, it's a pandemic.

So not just people for whom health is a concern. Gotcha.

brighterspark · 16-10-2020 08:04PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

My opinion is that hospital occupancy is sufficiently high to put pressure on the system.

Given that dublin has been in level 3 for a month now and is still worsening the hope that level 3 would work has been abandoned by many.

Jack Lambert who works in Mater and consultant in infectious disease disagrees - on Primetime he stated they are not seeing a surge and that although they were stretched in ICU at the peak in April they were able to manage. He also stated that we are in a different place this time round - less nursing homes being infected and less HCWs also being infected. The fact that more patients are also from the younger age groups makes it a very different situation. Education and enforcement of masks and better ventilation in indoor areas are the solution not more misery and depression for all!

spookwoman · 16-10-2020 08:04PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

A leading infectious disease consultant at Cork University Hospital (CUH) has confirmed that the hospital is not overwhelmed by Covid-19, is managing current pressures, and has urged patients to continue attending for medical treatment.

Professor Mary Horgan said it was not unusual for intensive care beds to be at capacity at this time of year and confirmed that just one patient was in ICU with Covid-19.
https://twitter.com/irishexaminer/status/1317125833207795712?s=19

Non story about covid numbers in the hospital, just look at the HSE operations report and it tells you the amount of beds taken up with covid. Still 23 people on trolleys.... during a pandemic and winter flu season starting. Should really read as nothing changed, still not enough beds etc.

jam_mac_jam · 16-10-2020 08:04PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The incomparably stupid panic buyers are back, stripping the shelves bare. Stopped by my local Lidl, trolleys coming out the door stacked high with toilet roll. Shower of neanderthals.

I don't get this. The supermarkets aren't even going to close.

rob316 · 16-10-2020 08:05PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

So not just people for whom health is a concern. Gotcha.

If health was the only concern we'd have been in level 5 already.

no.8 · 16-10-2020 08:06PM

Youcant_seeme wrote:

32 cases I think in Waterford and local travellers up the road have a marquee set up and a good few extra cars caravans and little ****s blocking the roads jumping on the cars!! One rule for some!

Carmagedon!

This is why its difficult to leave the fate of our general freedoms in the hands of those who may or may not decide to abide. The people involved are traitors imo

10000maniacs · 16-10-2020 08:07PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Correct. It mostly came from poorly ventilated spaces down South.

We were doing great, well under control, then Donegal had a huge cluster, followed by Cavan and Monaghan. You are in denial.
It's not exactly rocket science. It reminds me of all the horsey forum members being in denial about Cheltenham in March.

TonyMaloney · 16-10-2020 08:07PM

rob316 wrote: »

If health was the only concern we'd have been in level 5 already.

We should've gone to level 5 two weeks ago for the sake of the economy.

We're in a considerably worse state now.

tom1ie · 16-10-2020 08:08PM

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

I have no kids and no knowledge of modern education but way back over the summer I and a couple of friends were discussing how the Dept of Education should be working on a straightforward PDF-based lesson-plan/syllabus for each school year that can be centally produced and then emailed (or posted) weekly in order to keep students' learning moving forward (even as an absolute last resort).

I still don't understand why this hasn't even been discussed. We're on the brink of having to close schools again, and literally nothing has been advanced. I'd be apoplectic if I was a dad.

Yep and to be honest I'm fuming.
The department is an absolute disgrace and we’ll be shortly back to printing out reams of paper to try and teach the kids while answering emails and calls all day.
None to very little support from the department.

speckle · 16-10-2020 08:08PM

Tandey wrote: »

No, we’re a Gardai state.

Feeling better?

Polar101 · 16-10-2020 08:08PM

bk wrote: »

The army wouldn't be acting as civilian police, they would be acting in the "aid to to civil authority" role

This. Whenever the army is mentioned, a lot of people just think 'armed soldiers'.

I was in the army back in the day (not here), and the unit was always on standby to assist civil authorities - when the call came, it was usually to do with traffic management (manning checkpoints) or searching for missing persons. Armies during peace time are pretty handy when it comes to having lots of manpower, and moving that manpower around.

caveat emptor · 16-10-2020 08:08PM

Wonder what's going on in Cork.

The clinical director of Cork University Hospital, Professor Conor Deasy has said that it was inevitable that elective treatments would be cancelled as Covid numbers grow and hospital staff are unavailable because they too have the virus.

People needed to do the right thing and society had to show moral responsibility, he urged.

“We're under considerable pressure, this wave is different to the first wave in that when this hit in March we were able to effectively empty the hospital, in other words we were able to discharge patients to long term care facilities, to community hospitals, back to the community, we were in a position then - and we thought it was the right thing to do to turn down and in some cases turn off elective activity,” he told RTÉ radio’s Morning Ireland.

"Such a course of action brought with it its own morbidity and mortalities", he warned and there was a need to keep the non-Covid stream going while at the same time dealing with “the tsunami of patients” that are coming in with respiratory illness and respiratory symptoms that could be Covid.

Such was the level of concern that even patients coming in without respiratory symptoms were being diagnosed with Covid.

Meanwhile, it was reported yesterday that staff of all grades in a Covid-19 unit of Cork University Hospital are on sick leave after contracting the virus or as they await test results, it has been revealed.

A text message from a senior CUH doctor informed GPs across Cork that staff in the unit are off sick with Covid-19 and a number are also awaiting test results.

The staff are based at the acute medical assessment unit (AMU), which has been used to house Covid-19 cases. As a result, the unit cannot be used for assessments due to concerns of more contamination and CUH outpatient appointments will be moved to online platforms only where possible.

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1317040859519590400?s=20

AlphaDelta1 · 16-10-2020 08:09PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The incomparably stupid panic buyers are back, stripping the shelves bare. Stopped by my local Lidl, trolleys coming out the door stacked high with toilet roll. Shower of neanderthals.

If only the virus couid target these idiots in particular.

Storm 10 · 16-10-2020 08:09PM

How are we so bad just checked Australia New Zealand Singapore and Hong Kong and they all are under 10 cases

TonyMaloney · 16-10-2020 08:12PM

10000maniacs wrote: »

We were doing great, well under control, then Donegal had a huge cluster, followed by Cavan and Monaghan. You are in denial.
It's not exactly rocket science. It reminds me of all the horsey forum members being in denial about Cheltenham in March.

No, I'm just not going to blame all of the South's problems on the prods.

We've made a balls of things all on our own, thank you very much

10000maniacs · 16-10-2020 08:13PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

No, I'm just not going to blame all of the South's problems on the prods.

We've made a balls of things all on our own, thank you very much

No we didn't. And you brought religion into it. Not me. It's nothing to do with that either.

Polar101 · 16-10-2020 08:14PM

Storm 10 wrote: »

How are we so bad just checked Australia New Zealand Singapore and Hong Kong and they all are under 10 cases

Melbourne just got to their 100th day of lockdown, they are definitely not doing the "lifting restrictions too early" thing this time around.

HeyV · 16-10-2020 08:15PM

AlphaDelta1 wrote: »

If only the virus couid target these idiots in particular.

But isn’t that the problem?? Some of them will and It’s the likes of these who will spread it

votecounts · 16-10-2020 08:15PM

Storm 10 wrote: »

How are we so bad just checked Australia New Zealand Singapore and Hong Kong and they all are under 10 cases

Better healthcare, closed airports, rules being enforced and as for asian countries, they have history of wearing masks due to various diseases over the years

spookwoman · 16-10-2020 08:15PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Wonder what's going on in Cork.

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1317040859519590400?s=20

Cork has a huge catchment are and always had a bed capacity issue. Patient numbers always go up coming into winter and add staff out sick.

I would also assume that if anything like Waterford they would isolate people while waiting for results, that would take up more rooms etc.

Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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