Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

spookwoman · 16-10-2020 07:32PM

Lastest School numbers

https://twitter.com/MartinaBroe1/status/1317157353532391426?s=20

Antares35 · 16-10-2020 07:32PM

To be honest I'm sick to death of various fúcking restrictions coming in and out and changing. Oh we are on level three but it's three and a bit left and two degrees. And only when the second hen on the right is jumping over the fence. Restrictions mean nothing unless they are enforced. They could go to level ten and it wouldn't make a difference because a lot of people still do what they want. All this dickying around is driving everyone slowly mad I think.

It's clear as day that we cannot rely on goodwill, common sense or people's ability to do the right thing.

I wish they would take a position and say right, this what we are doing and then go out and actually enforce it, or just leave us the fúck alone without any restrictions (or guidelines as they should be called) and let it be every man for himself.

Boggles · 16-10-2020 07:35PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

I think NPHET two weeks ago made a massive error that has lost so many people.

But back on planet earth.

NPHET have been proved by the numbers and what has unfolded since they were absolutely spot on with their projections (which is their job).

I imagine if you polled people right now who they would they trust more in relation to Covid.

The Cabinet would be in the minority.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 16-10-2020 07:36PM

brighterspark wrote: »

What has happened to the idea of giving restrictions 2 weeks to see impact - seems obvious that level 3 in Dublin alone would not have a serious impact given the commuters from surrounding counties who come into Dublin every day -- seems like mass hysteria from RTE is dictating policy in this country!

My opinion is that hospital occupancy is sufficiently high to put pressure on the system.

Given that dublin has been in level 3 for a month now and is still worsening the hope that level 3 would work has been abandoned by many.

bk · 16-10-2020 07:36PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

They are not trained to carry out civilian policing roles. So it is you making up stuff. Any soldier heading to the UN undergoes specific training in the UN school in the Curragh for policing roles they might undertake as part of their peace keeping duties.

The army wouldn't be acting as civilian police, they would be acting in the "aid to to civil authority" role:

https://criminaljusticeinireland.wordpress.com/2019/07/04/aid-to-the-civil-power/

For the most part, they would simply man check points along with the Gardai, they wouldn't do this on their own and any arrests that need to be made would simply be carried out by the Gardai present.

It really isn't a new concept for Ireland, it has long been carried out in this manner.

Tandey · 16-10-2020 07:37PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Ireland will never do a curfew, we are thankfully not a police state.

No, we’re a Gardai state.

speckle · 16-10-2020 07:38PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

I think this sums it up. People won't go along with measures if they can plainly see there is no point to the measures.

https://twitter.com/IndependentSage/status/1317163269484838914?s=20

is he part of the zero covid /lockdown group?

pjohnson · 16-10-2020 07:38PM

Been a while since I saw "police state" bandied about.

BorneTobyWilde · 16-10-2020 07:38PM

1000 new cases, who are at home laughing their heads off on the piss up, and 3 new deaths 97 years olds who got hit by a car but turns out they had covid.

It's all bull.

Boggles · 16-10-2020 07:39PM

speckle wrote: »

is he part of the zero covid /lockdown group?

TBF I think the zero covid people are completely and vehemently against perpetual lock downs.

screamer · 16-10-2020 07:40PM

Que sera, sera at this stage.
Remember folks protect yourself, be responsible to yourself and for yourself and we’ll get through all of this just the same. I’m expecting level 4 upgrades next week, time will tell.

pjohnson · 16-10-2020 07:40PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

1000 new cases, who are at home laughing their heads off on the piss up, and 3 new deaths 97 years olds who got hit by a car but turns out they had covid.

It's all bull.

I've not often seen someone call out their own post ....

Happydays2020 · 16-10-2020 07:42PM

Navanboyo wrote: »

An alternative take though on the above is that people now see the concerns NPHET raised 3 weeks ago, as coming true and realise action is needed.

Whilst what happened two weks ago was a fiasco all around, a lot of people ive talked to in the last few days are of the opinion that they trust Tony more than politicians.

As regards NPHET, I am sure its not a perfect set up but i for one would prefer that an independent advisory body such as it, exists to give impartial non political advice.

Having been given the advice, politicians can then decide what to do and be judged on that action.

Civil servants in departments do give this advice already. We have an independent civil service. The mistakes made in the financial crisis was when we listened to the experts. We fared much better when we had a tight group providing direct advice.

I would prefer a group of real specialists giving advice on a full time basis rather than the mix match of HSE and Dept of Health and part time experts. I would have no problem with Nolan and de Gascun being part of this and I would also like to see a pan EU approach and get the expertise from the likes of ECDC.

The reality is that many of the members of NPHET are inherently conflicted as the lock down recommendation is one which lets them off the hook

It is not just what you do but how you do it.

TheDeep · 16-10-2020 07:42PM

bk wrote: »

The army wouldn't be acting as civilian police, they would be acting in the "aid to to civil authority" role:

For the most part, they would simply man check points along with the Gardai, they wouldn't do this on their own and any arrests that need to be made would simply be carried out by the Gardai present.

It really isn't a new concept for Ireland, it has long been carried out in this manner.

So stand around and do nothing at the checkpoints like the guards are already doing? Seems a waste of time.

caveat emptor · 16-10-2020 07:42PM

speckle wrote: »

is he part of the zero covid /lockdown group?

I'm not sure, I know he is not part of the
'living with covid,
protect the vulnerable
which is impossible
so in practice,
let old people die' group and
fvck the economy.

Happydays2020 · 16-10-2020 07:44PM

Boggles wrote: »

But back on planet earth.

NPHET have been proved by the numbers and what has unfolded since they were absolutely spot on with their projections (which is their job).

I imagine if you polled people right now who they would they trust more in relation to Covid.

The Cabinet would be in the minority.

The process was all over the place. The advice may end up being right but how they did it was a massive strategic error.

Youcant_seeme · 16-10-2020 07:45PM

32 cases I think in Waterford and local travellers up the road have a marquee set up and a good few extra cars caravans and little ****s blocking the roads jumping on the cars!! One rule for some!

bk · 16-10-2020 07:45PM

TheDeep wrote: »

So stand around and do nothing at the checkpoints like the guards are already doing? Seems a waste of time.

That is the point. Rather then having 14 Gardai standing around manning a checkpoint, you could have 4 Gardai + 10 soldiers assisting them, while the other 10 Gardai go off and do something more useful, like breaking up house parties, etc.

caveat emptor · 16-10-2020 07:46PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Civil servants in departments do give this advice already. We have an independent civil service. The mistakes made in the financial crisis was when we listened to the experts. We fared much better when we had a tight group providing direct advice.

I would prefer a group of real specialists giving advice on a full time basis rather than the mix match of HSE and Dept of Health and part time experts. I would have no problem with Nolan and de Gascun being part of this and I would also like to see a pan EU approach and get the expertise from the likes of ECDC.

The reality is that many of the members of NPHET are inherently conflicted as the lock down recommendation is one which lets them off the hook

It is not just what you do but how you do it.

That's some serious revisionist history.
We listened to fvcking bankers. They are not bankers.
They had a conflict of interest in any and all advice and they robbed the country blind.

The politicians were complicit. Bull**** analysis.

Plumbthedepths · 16-10-2020 07:47PM

bk wrote: »

The army wouldn't be acting as civilian police, they would be acting in the "aid to to civil authority" role:

https://criminaljusticeinireland.wordpress.com/2019/07/04/aid-to-the-civil-power/

For the most part, they would simply man check points along with the Gardai, they wouldn't do this on their own and any arrests that need to be made would simply be carried out by the Gardai present.

It really isn't a new concept for Ireland, it has long been carried out in this manner.

The only purpose a soldier has ever served at a checkpoint is the availability of force as a deterrent by use of his/her weapon.
I'll leave it that it only serves to derail the thread.

speckle · 16-10-2020 07:48PM

caveat e. i presume you are being sarcastic because that sounded like a jumble up of every sides ideas?

rob316 · 16-10-2020 07:48PM

Boggles wrote: »

But back on planet earth.

NPHET have been proved by the numbers and what has unfolded since they were absolutely spot on with their projections (which is their job).

I imagine if you polled people right now who they would they trust more in relation to Covid.

The Cabinet would be in the minority.

It's not just about covid though, why are you so blind to the bigger picture. Or does this lockdown have zero effect on you?

Happydays2020 · 16-10-2020 07:49PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

That's some serious revisionist history.
We listened to fvcking bankers. They are not bankers.
They had a conflict of interest in any and all advice and they robbed the country blind.

The politicians were complicit. Bull**** analysis.

I have read all the reports. Group think. Poor structures, bad governance and Lack of independence. NPHET have all of that.

stephenjmcd · 16-10-2020 07:49PM

A leading infectious disease consultant at Cork University Hospital (CUH) has confirmed that the hospital is not overwhelmed by Covid-19, is managing current pressures, and has urged patients to continue attending for medical treatment.

Professor Mary Horgan said it was not unusual for intensive care beds to be at capacity at this time of year and confirmed that just one patient was in ICU with Covid-19.
https://twitter.com/irishexaminer/status/1317125833207795712?s=19

zerosugarbuzz · 16-10-2020 07:49PM

petes wrote: »

You don't understand anything at all really, do you.

I'll tell you what I understand.

Very few deaths since June, despite numbers going up
Pensioners terrified to leave their homes
Other pensioners terrified of the isolation during winter time
Multiple of businesses on the verge of closing for good
Surge in depression and anxiety in Teenagers and Young adults
Cancer testing not being carried out
Mental Health issues in all ages going through the roof
Unemployment at unprecedented levels
Medical professionals prioritising 1 virus over all other health related issues
Virtually no additonal ICU beds despite Government having 8 months to organise same
And that's just for starters

pjohnson · 16-10-2020 07:50PM

rob316 wrote: »

It's not just about covid though, why are you so blind to the bigger picture. Or does this lockdown have zero effect on you?

Is this the same "bigger picture" that involves riots in the streets?

Happydays2020 · 16-10-2020 07:50PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

A leading infectious disease consultant at Cork University Hospital (CUH) has confirmed that the hospital is not overwhelmed by Covid-19, is managing current pressures, and has urged patients to continue attending for medical treatment.

Professor Mary Horgan said it was not unusual for intensive care beds to be at capacity at this time of year and confirmed that just one patient was in ICU with Covid-19.
https://twitter.com/irishexaminer/status/1317125833207795712?s=19

The reality as opposed to the hysteria. She will now be forced to resign.

pjohnson · 16-10-2020 07:52PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

The reality as opposed to the hysteria. She will now be forced to resign.

For telling people to show up to their medical appointments/treatments?

Pablo Escobar · 16-10-2020 07:52PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

The reality as opposed to the hysteria. She will now be forced to resign.

This isn’t new news. The concerns are around capacity with rising case numbers. It’s public knowledge that hospitalised Covid cases in Cork are currently low.

It’s a pretty valid concern tbf.

TonyMaloney · 16-10-2020 07:55PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

The reality as opposed to the hysteria. She will now be forced to resign.

She will in her hole.

Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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