Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

xhomelezz · 16-10-2020 05:24PM

froog wrote: »

still haven't heard even an attempt at a alternative plan today from the let it rip merchants.

Cuz there's no plan, apart from let's pretend there's no virus and shield the vulnerable and that part of the plan doesn't work even with restrictions. So no plan.

Widdensushi · 16-10-2020 05:25PM

froog wrote: »

still haven't heard even an attempt at a alternative plan today from the let it rip merchants.

3 with the schools closed for three weeks?

igCorcaigh · 16-10-2020 05:25PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Randomised trial show that these drugs don't decrease mortality. All propertied as effective treatments to so degree. No effect shown.

https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1316877188596002817?s=20

If it made a difference on, say, time spent on a respirator, then that effect would be a huge benefit in managing resources.

16-10-2020 05:25PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Prof Nolan fact checking Dr Jack Lambert. Fair play to him calling bullsh!t. The quackos will pick this up and run with it to justify getting back to their sense of normality. No fvcks given if hospitals overrun, just keep repeating mental health and live with the virus.

https://twitter.com/President_MU/status/1317113211854913537?s=20

https://twitter.com/President_MU/status/1317114246350647299?s=20

Nolan is quoting their seroprevalance study as an estimate of actual cases back in April. Their study is utter crap. Surely comparing cases now vs hospitalisations shows that study massively underestimates the number of cases back then.

Given that's the basis of his argument, it hardly fills me with confidence.

stephenjmcd · 16-10-2020 05:26PM

froog wrote: »

still haven't heard even an attempt at a alternative plan today from the let it rip merchants.

Already said this earlier.

Who is saying let it rip? Heard immunity isn't possible.

I've not seen people say let it rip.

Shutting down retail for example while letting schools stay open isn't exactly a masterplan. But your not allowed to say close the schools because appearently they aren't a problem

Nermal · 16-10-2020 05:26PM

Amirani wrote: »

No symptoms "on the day they took the test" does not mean all of those people were asymptomatic throughout their infection.

Clinical evidence suggests quite different figures: https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1003346

A meta-study based on studies which were not themselves based on random testing!

Widdensushi · 16-10-2020 05:26PM

froog wrote: »

still haven't heard even an attempt at a alternative plan today from the let it rip merchants.

France is using a curfew in cities, I would be fine with that

froog · 16-10-2020 05:26PM

Widdensushi wrote: »

3 with the schools closed for three weeks?

i'd be on board with that tbh.

Boggles · 16-10-2020 05:26PM

rob316 wrote: »

Endorsed by NPHET I might add.

I think we all got a fairly stark presentation 2 weeks ago of what NPHET thought of the 'living with covid' plan.

froog · 16-10-2020 05:28PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Already said this earlier.

Who is saying let it rip? Heard immunity isn't possible.

I've not seen people say let it rip.

Shutting down retail for example while letting schools stay open isn't exactly a masterplan

so what's your plan?

landofthetree · 16-10-2020 05:28PM

Boggles wrote: »

I think we all got a fairly stark presentation 2 weeks ago of what NPHET thought of the 'living with covid' plan.

No country in Europe has a harsher lockdown.

niallo27 · 16-10-2020 05:29PM

froog wrote: »

still haven't heard even an attempt at a alternative plan today from the let it rip merchants.

Who the **** are the let it rip merchants.

retro:electro · 16-10-2020 05:30PM

Can anyone remember how long it took for the numbers to stabilise and then fall back in March/April?

Boggles · 16-10-2020 05:30PM

landofthetree wrote: »

No country in Europe has a harsher lockdown.

No country in Europe has the HSE.

Funsterdelux · 16-10-2020 05:31PM

rob316 wrote: »

There is nothing to rejoice about level 5

Rejoice, rejoice, we have no choice but to carry on

Zebra3 · 16-10-2020 05:31PM

Widdensushi wrote: »

France is using a curfew in cities, I would be fine with that

If that's what France wants, I've no issue with them doing it either.

Amirani · 16-10-2020 05:31PM

AdamD wrote: »

Nolan is quoting their seroprevalance study as an estimate of actual cases back in April. Their study is utter crap. Surely comparing cases now vs hospitalisations shows that study massively underestimates the number of cases back then.

Given that's the basis of his argument, it hardly fills me with confidence.

Age profile of cases now is very different also, so you'd expect that to impact hospitalisation figures too. It's not the same population.

niallo27 · 16-10-2020 05:31PM

froog wrote: »

so what's your plan?

If only we had a 32 man panel set up to give us advice, maybe one that could give us choices or alternatives to the harshest lockdown in Europe.

Ficheall · 16-10-2020 05:32PM

landofthetree wrote: »

No country in Europe has a harsher lockdown.

Is any country in Europe enforcing any of their recommendations?

speckle · 16-10-2020 05:32PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Prof Nolan fact checking Dr Jack Lambert. Fair play to him calling bullsh!t. The quackos will pick this up and run with it to justify getting back to their sense of normality. No fvcks given if hospitals overrun, just keep repeating mental health and live with the virus.

https://twitter.com/President_MU/status/1317113211854913537?s=20

https://twitter.com/President_MU/status/1317114246350647299?s=20

The SCOPI report he is basing a lot of that on is one piece of crap science due to the low numbers involved. No other word for it. We know that it has been in Ireland since at least the end of January and went undetected until the grest doctors in CUH went against the HSE and tested the poor man who died and found the first case of community transmission.
Not an epidemiologist or public health specialist. Sleep apnea and larynx research papers mainly on rats , rabbits and cats not humans. An acadmic careerist not even an infectious disease expert.

landofthetree · 16-10-2020 05:33PM

retro:electro wrote: »

Can anyone remember how long it took for the numbers to stabilise and then fall back in March/April?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/ireland/

humberklog · 16-10-2020 05:33PM

rob316 wrote: »

The ramifications of a level 5 lockdown for 6-8 weeks go beyond the state of the health service. The government is bad for not following the recommendations of NPHET 2 weeks ago is the narrative your pushing, when its was far from a simple decision then and still is now. They are still extremely reluctant to push the nuclear button.

And it is the nuclear button.

Anything above Level 3 for any period of time is going to wipe out a huge amount of SMEs that have been just about hanging on in there.

If we see this pandemic through on Level 3 we can come out of it in 18 months time with a country retaining a lot of indigenous SMEs on the high street and business parks.
If we implement rolling Levels higher than 3 we'll come out of this in 18 months time without indigenous SMEs on the high street and business parks.

Amirani · 16-10-2020 05:34PM

landofthetree wrote: »

No country in Europe has a harsher lockdown.

You can't leave your house after 9pm in many French cities.

That seems harsher to me.

Seamai · 16-10-2020 05:35PM

landofthetree wrote: »

No country in Europe has a harsher lockdown.

Not sure about that, a few are more relaxed but plenty are as harsh or worse. I was reading an article last night looking at the measures being taken in all European countries. You'd almost want a degree to understand Belgium's recommendations.

is_that_so · 16-10-2020 05:36PM

Boggles wrote: »

I think we all got a fairly stark presentation 2 weeks ago of what NPHET thought of the 'living with covid' plan.

Yet, they worked with government to produce it. For the government the "plan" is multi-faceted, NHPET has one dimension only so anything outside of that doesn't work for them.

Sierra Oscar · 16-10-2020 05:37PM

Some grim figures coming out of Italy this evening.

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1317138096023085058

landofthetree · 16-10-2020 05:37PM

Amirani wrote: »

You can't leave your house after 9pm in many French cities.

That seems harsher to me.

You can still go to restaurants during the day I presume.

stephenjmcd · 16-10-2020 05:38PM

froog wrote: »

so what's your plan?

No plan is worth talking about in my opinion if it doesn't involve schools.

Personally I wouldn't shut down retail, its not driving spread from HPSC data anyway.

Schools should like NI have an extended midterm. I'd go as far as saying from Monday, then the week of midterm and the week after. 3 weeks, review then.

What else is there to close apart from retail ?

But anyway you failed to address a point, who are the let it rip merchants ? I see nobody on here saying to let it run wild

Sierra Oscar · 16-10-2020 05:38PM

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1317142508858712065

1,000 new cases here, 3 deaths.

Boggles · 16-10-2020 05:39PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Yet, they worked with government to produce it. For the government the "plan" is multi-faceted, NHPET has one dimension only so anything outside of that doesn't work for them.

I imagine they smiled politely when some career civil servant knocked it up in half an hour.

It's a pretty scant document which changes daily.

Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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