Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

Gael23 · 16-10-2020 02:58PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It's better to go early, you stand a chance of keeping other health services open then. Don't know if our government realise that.

Personally I don't agree with shutting retail like before, not a huge risk environment once people aren't hanging about for hours and distancing/hygiene measures are adhered to.

At what cost to the economy and society?

16-10-2020 03:02PM

Gael23 wrote: »

At what cost to the economy and society?

Economy and society also suffer with an overwhelmed health service. There is no saving the economy at this point. It's put the economy on life support (borrowing) until the threat from the disease is much less.

CoronaBlocker · 16-10-2020 03:02PM

Boggles wrote: »

We should had Christmas in July.

Would have been a rush for Santa, but fúck him he could do with moving his large arsé faster.

That's a bit harsh - this is Santa we're talking about.

Humberto Salazar · 16-10-2020 03:03PM

It all comes down to decades of waste and mismanagement of the public health service. The failure of successive regimes to overhaul, renew and replace archaic bloated management and Victorian policies, are now coming to fruition. We should have a public health service fit for purpose. However, there is no appetite to fight the unions, root out the deadwood, and basically implement what the private sector experts would do to get it there. You reap what you sow.

rob316 · 16-10-2020 03:05PM

OwenM wrote: »

Like an actual epidemiologist, you know the people who study epidemics professionally. There's a novel thought for you....

They know **** all have you heard the verbal diarrhoea from mcconkey,?

Strumms · 16-10-2020 03:06PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It would help if half the places in Medicine at Irish Universities weren't reserved for high fee paying foreign students.

1000% yes.

Probably a political ambition has that arrangement in place. You know, helping less advantaged. Times now it’s time to look after our own.

The Tetrarch · 16-10-2020 03:07PM

Vicxas wrote: »

Why are we beating ourselves up so much over the rising cases. Every country in Europe is seeing the same resurgence..

That reads like our major problem is not a problem if other countries have major problems.

funnydoggy · 16-10-2020 03:08PM

For years to come the election talking points will be about building a strong, efficient health service. They sh*t the bed with this one.

16-10-2020 03:08PM

Humberto Salazar wrote: »

It all comes down to decades of waste and mismanagement of the public health service. The failure of successive regimes to overhaul, renew and replace archaic bloated management and Victorian policies, are now coming to fruition. We should have a public health service fit for purpose. However, there is no appetite to fight the unions, root out the deadwood, and basically implement what the private sector experts would do to get it there. You reap what you sow.

The unions that represent health care workers have been fighting for expansion of services, increases in beds, equipment, lab resources and multiple measures that would improve services for patients. They have been ignored as successive governments wanted to ensure the two tier status quo is maintained, otherwise private healthcare and the insurance industry wouldn't be as profitable. The neglect has been intentional.

If we had listened to experts we'd have 500 permanent ICU beds as was recommended a decade ago. We wouldn't have dropped our level of normal beds from 25,000 to 15,000.

kona · 16-10-2020 03:09PM

Humberto Salazar wrote: »

It all comes down to decades of waste and mismanagement of the public health service. The failure of successive regimes to overhaul, renew and replace archaic bloated management and Victorian policies, are now coming to fruition. We should have a public health service fit for purpose. However, there is no appetite to fight the unions, root out the deadwood, and basically implement what the private sector experts would do to get it there. You reap what you sow.

Lets all applaud the hse at 8pm:rolleyes:

zerosugarbuzz · 16-10-2020 03:09PM

How many people have died with Covid this month?

Strumms · 16-10-2020 03:10PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Before we get to the stage that others are at? I'd be ok with that.

100000% correct. Proactive rather than REactive. That’s the method we need.

Denny61 · 16-10-2020 03:10PM

What is your point!!!

CIARAN_BOYLE · 16-10-2020 03:11PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It would help if half the places in Medicine at Irish Universities weren't reserved for high fee paying foreign students.

Would help if the state would fund Medicine places.

UrbanFret · 16-10-2020 03:11PM

The government needs to hold their position on this. Nphets only strategy is lockdown, lockdown,lockdown. At this stage you would think they'd have come up with some exit strategy.
McConkey and his zero Covid dream. At this stage does he seriously believe it's possible?

octsol · 16-10-2020 03:12PM

That's bloody high positive swabs 1,376 and yesterday the cases were higher will it be the same today with backlogs etc

polesheep · 16-10-2020 03:12PM

speckle wrote: »

I mentioned earlier on that I think Tony Holahan should step down and (his deputy strp back) and I had replacement ideas.

Jack Lambert was one and the other Prof Martin Corbally who is one of people on the covid team in Bahrain who managed to assemble a fully functional 130 bed ICU in the third floor of a carpark in 7 days. The guy directly in charge of that was also working here and has now posted a research paper online on how they did it. They both have been zooming with the Irish college of surgeons covid team already.

Regarding staffing the ICU, many hcw's who came back for irelands call have left due to two things not being offered fulltime contracts and registration delays.
We should offer fast track citzenship thatd better then giving free passports to the rich to head hunt staff which akready have their covid act together.

Jack Lambert as well as being an infectious disease expert has the pulse of the nation and the correct broad concept of public health.

I say the above only as an ordinary citizen who got to listen to many infectious disease experts from around the world and talk to some at an great seminar held on tubercilosis in UCC during the swine flu episode. From which stems my interest in public health and epidemiology.

We need to look for solutions,not why we can't do something. And I know we as a nation we can do whatever we put our minds too.

Great post Speckle.

Jinglejangle69 · 16-10-2020 03:13PM

UrbanFret wrote: »

The government needs to hold their position on this. Nphets only strategy is lockdown, lockdown,lockdown. At this stage you would think they'd have come up with some exit strategy.
McConkey and his zero Covid dream. At this stage does he seriously believe it's possible?

That's my point.

We know NHPETs position and that will never change.

Fair enough.

But surely other ideas and opinions should be at least listened too.

bennyl10 · 16-10-2020 03:13PM

UrbanFret wrote: »

The government needs to hold their position on this. Nphets only strategy is lockdown, lockdown,lockdown. At this stage you would think they'd have come up with some exit strategy.
McConkey and his zero Covid dream. At this stage does he seriously believe it's possible?

We don’t know if there isn’t elan exit strategy
No one has seen the letter

Seemingly nphet believe a lockdown is in interest of public health. That is there entire remit

They’ve been essentially spot on in predictions thus far

Vicxas · 16-10-2020 03:13PM

The Tetrarch wrote: »

That reads like our major problem is not a problem if other countries have major problems.

Not at all, but every country is having the same problem and struggling to contain it, so why are we being so hard on ourselves is my point.

Strumms · 16-10-2020 03:14PM

zinfandel wrote: »

thats all very well, but how can anybody get on with their lives when everything is closed??? no shops, no restaurants, no pub, no schools, no money, it will be a half life, unless all these 'get on with your lives' people get with the program and start abiding with the restrictions in place now, we will never see the end of it...

Half is better than nothing.

Nibs05 · 16-10-2020 03:15PM

Italy seeing a resurgence

https://twitter.com/bnodesk/status/1316769714526396416?s=21

podgeandrodge · 16-10-2020 03:15PM

GazzaL wrote: »

I was talking to an elderly woman today, in her 80s, who told me she's had enough of the lockdowns. A lot of people will see level 5 as being optional. If you want to lock yourself in your house, fair enough. But most people will just get on with their lives.

AlphaDelta1 wrote: »

I'd hazard a guess this is completely made up.

Roots 2020 wrote: »

I wouldn't.

My mam is 88 years old and in good health, driving etc and She said she doesn't want to live the rest of her life cocooning. She's going to drive to shop etc while adhereing to social distancing, mask wearing, hand washing and all the guidelines.

seamus wrote: »

I'd say otherwise. A majority of the elderly people I know have said they're getting to the end of their tether with this thing and have no interest in spending 12 months cowering inside their homes when they don't even know if they have 12 months left in them.

Real Donald Trump wrote: »

This post says it all. The older people are more afraid of a lockdown than covid.

Agreed. My 80yr old mother seriously pissed off with lockdown suggestions. Too many on here painting elderly people as petrified people hiding away that we need to protect. They are still adults capable of making their own decisions.

podgeandrodge · 16-10-2020 03:16PM

hmmm wrote: »

What extra is Level 5 supposed to get us? It's not spreading in retail. Level 5 doesn't close schools.

If it's spreading by people moving around between houses, closing more businesses isn't going to help anything.

This exactly. Nphet banging on for a long time about house parties and mass gatherings being the problem. Not a visit to Harvey Norman.

irishrover99 · 16-10-2020 03:17PM

amadangomor wrote: »

Please no more army on the streets ****e like back in March/April.

If I see similar on Facebook I'm blaming you :mad:

Get over yourself. It was a joke.

mohawk · 16-10-2020 03:17PM

landofthetree wrote: »

Close the schools in Nov,Dec and Jan.

Keep them open in June,July,August.

Summer holidays cut to two weeks in Sep.

Job done.

Yes let’s keep the kids at home during the winter when they will be mostly stuck inside and send them to school in the summer when they normally spend a lot of time outdoors.
I got through working from home with my son at home by sending him outside. In the winter I would have to let him on YouTube all day to occupy him and not just me but many working parents. Sounds very healthy for children’s health and wellbeing.

hmmm · 16-10-2020 03:17PM

octsol wrote: »

That's bloody high positive swabs 1,376 and yesterday the cases were higher will it be the same today with backlogs etc

The case numbers were always going to increase - it will take a week to 10 days for the impact of Level 3 to kick in.

What's most concerning me is that Dublin looks like it is not falling - it had stabilised, but if anything it should be beginning to fall now. This suggests to me that cases are beginning to increase again. I suspect NPHET might have data saying the same thing.

polesheep · 16-10-2020 03:19PM

hmmm wrote: »

Don't know how workable it is, but it's this sort of big picture thinking we need. Unfortunately I'm not sure an unwieldy coalition government is capable of making decisions like this.

Whether this idea is correct, wrong or impossible, it's still the kind of outside the box thinking that has been severely lacking.

UrbanFret · 16-10-2020 03:19PM

bennyl10 wrote: »

We don’t know if there isn’t elan exit strategy
No one has seen the letter

Seemingly nphet believe a lockdown is in interest of public health. That is there entire remit

They’ve been essentially spot on in predictions thus far

To be fair it wasn't a difficult prediction to make seeing as every other country in Europe were seeing increases in cases.
We need to balance who needs to be protected the most with what business and Industry should be allowed continue . Locking everything down is short term thinking.
Besides I doubt there's much chance of the same compliance this time around.
A lot of the population are weary at this stage.

PhoneMain · 16-10-2020 03:20PM

Strumms wrote: »

1000% yes.

Probably a political ambition has that arrangement in place. You know, helping less advantaged. Times now it’s time to look after our own.

Doctor here who attended an irish medical school. The number of foreign students attending Irish medical schools have absolutely NOTHING to do with staffing shortages in Irish Hospitals. Nor is there an inbuilt advantage to those from certain upper levels of society.

The problem we have with Irish healthcare is the structure of them. And its easy to blame the politicians for that but everyone has to look at what they can do to help. Doctors, Nurses, the general public etc.

Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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