Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

Ce he sin · 16-10-2020 02:37PM

LuasSimon wrote: »

Should be no border on our island full stop , shows the stupidity of our island been divided . We all live on the one island and there should be a 32 county policy

Mary Lou?

Real Donald Trump · 16-10-2020 02:38PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

My 86 year old grandmother just rang me there, completely freaking out about level 5.

This post says it all. The older people are more afraid of a lockdown than covid.

Jinglejangle69 · 16-10-2020 02:38PM

I do think NHPET need a few fresh faces with new ideas.

We know what their opinion is and that's not gonna change.

Surely other opinions and new ideas shouldn't be dismissed?

This virus is new were told so maybe new approaches are needed as the situation evolves.

hmmm · 16-10-2020 02:39PM

landofthetree wrote: »

Close the schools in Nov,Dec and Jan.

Keep them open in June,July,August.

Summer holidays cut to two weeks in Sep.

Job done.

Don't know how workable it is, but it's this sort of big picture thinking we need. Unfortunately I'm not sure an unwieldy coalition government is capable of making decisions like this.

amadangomor · 16-10-2020 02:39PM

OwenM wrote: »

Exactly, I mean who is going to harvest the spaghetti if the kids are in school? Who???

Just had a thought that if Covid is at least partly a seasonal thing i.e. peaks in Winter. Would it make sense to have the long school holiday say November to February.

Edit: Apologies missed the original post which brought up this idea!

Necro · 16-10-2020 02:39PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

I do think NHPET need a few fresh faces with new ideas.

We know what their opinion is and that's not gonna change.

Surely other opinions and new ideas shouldn't be dismissed?

This virus is new were told so maybe new approaches are needed as the situation evolves.

Maybe we should appoint some boards posters to NPHET? :pac:

DrSpongeBobz · 16-10-2020 02:41PM

Necro wrote: »

Maybe we should appoint some boards posters to NPHET? :pac:

KERMIT THE FROG

Jinglejangle69 · 16-10-2020 02:41PM

Necro wrote: »

Maybe we should appoint some boards posters to NPHET? :pac:

No other medical experts with different opinions.

16-10-2020 02:41PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

No other medical experts with different opinions.

Anti- vaxxers?

Necro · 16-10-2020 02:41PM

DrSpongeBobz wrote: »

KERMIT THE FROG

Hmmm...

Not sure posting worldometer updates 15 times a day would be too helpful in the current crisis

hmmm · 16-10-2020 02:42PM

Those Polish stats are very concerning.

Stheno · 16-10-2020 02:43PM

https://twitter.com/darachk/status/1317076056751394816

Growth in cases between ages 0-24 since August to 12th October

200% increase in 5-14 year olds

growleaves · 16-10-2020 02:43PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

I do think NHPET need a few fresh faces with new ideas.

We know what their opinion is and that's not gonna change.

Surely other opinions and new ideas shouldn't be dismissed?

This virus is new were told so maybe new approaches are needed as the situation evolves.

When you think of how a large committee is structured, the ideas that are adopted are going to be a compromise of some sort.

Unless a charismatic individual or faction on the committee can sway large numbers to their way of thinking.

CruelSummer · 16-10-2020 02:43PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

I do think NHPET need a few fresh faces with new ideas.

We know what their opinion is and that's not gonna change.

Surely other opinions and new ideas shouldn't be dismissed?

This virus is new were told so maybe new approaches are needed as the situation evolves.

Exactly, repeated calls for a lockdown is damaging to society. There are other approaches. Thankfully deaths are remaining low so far in this wave & long may that continue. Other countries in Europe are in level 3, but with fines and penalties for rule breaking. This is what we need, hit the pockets of people not following level 3. It is completely unfair on businesses to have to close after investing so much into reopening under the new rules. Children also need to be educated and their future outcomes protected. If everyone followed the household/social bubble ban, and level 3 properly - it would have an affect without crucifying the economy & the well being of the Irish people.

zinfandel · 16-10-2020 02:43PM

GazzaL wrote: »

I was talking to an elderly woman today, in her 80s, who told me she's had enough of the lockdowns. A lot of people will see level 5 as being optional. If you want to lock yourself in your house, fair enough. But most people will just get on with their lives.

thats all very well, but how can anybody get on with their lives when everything is closed??? no shops, no restaurants, no pub, no schools, no money, it will be a half life, unless all these 'get on with your lives' people get with the program and start abiding with the restrictions in place now, we will never see the end of it...

speckle · 16-10-2020 02:44PM

Gael23 wrote: »

NPHET should go on PUP then their salaries used to pay towards level 5

nah ,too much,disability c200 euros

Gael23 · 16-10-2020 02:44PM

Stheno wrote: »

https://twitter.com/darachk/status/1317076056751394816

Growth in cases between ages 0-24 since August to 12th October

200% increase in 5-14 year olds

But it’s not schools you know

OwenM · 16-10-2020 02:44PM

amadangomor wrote: »

Just had a thought that if Covid is at least partly a seasonal thing i.e. peaks in Winter. Would it make sense to have the long school holiday say November to February.

The unions will never buy it.
The kids and the rest of us in lockdown more or less, Nov-Feb.
Dark months, nothing to do, nowhere to go

The seasonality IMO manifests because it's airborne, in the last 6 weeks it's gotten colder, less outdoor activity, more closed windows in houses.

The only thing that makes sense is it might improve delivery of education, but the obstacles and cons are many.

amadangomor · 16-10-2020 02:45PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

Exactly, repeated calls for a lockdown is damaging to society. There are other approaches. Thankfully deaths are remaining low so far in this wave & long may that continue. Other countries in Europe are in level 3, but with fines and penalties for rule breaking. This is what we need, hit the pockets of people not following level 3. It is completely unfair on businesses to have to close after investing so much into reopening under the new rules. Children also need to be educated and their future outcomes protected. If everyone followed the household/social bubble ban, and level 3 properly - it would have an affect without crucifying the economy & the well being of the Irish people.

Good post.

Vicxas · 16-10-2020 02:46PM

Why are we beating ourselves up so much over the rising cases. Every country in Europe is seeing the same resurgence..

16-10-2020 02:47PM

El Sueño wrote: »

Will the bigger numbers make people cop on a bit more?

I hope so but I shan't be holding my breath

I doubt it. There are people still going to the boiler house (promiscuous sauna) in Dublin.

The mind boggles.

owlbethere · 16-10-2020 02:48PM

hmmm wrote: »

Don't know how workable it is, but it's this sort of big picture thinking we need. Unfortunately I'm not sure an unwieldy coalition government is capable of making decisions like this.

You'll have people whinging on Joe Duffy about the or rights towards a summer holiday.

It is a good plan and I hope it happens and works too. It would be for the best. Close the schools for nov/Dec/Jan and have the schools back open again for the summer of next year with 2 weeks holidays in September. It is a good plan and hopefully it happens and works.

OwenM · 16-10-2020 02:49PM

Vicxas wrote: »

Why are we beating ourselves up so much over the rising cases. Every country in Europe is seeing the same resurgence..

Belgium, France, Spain far worse. Netherlands 14 day incidence is 466.

Stheno · 16-10-2020 02:50PM

OwenM wrote: »

Belgium, France, Spain far worse. Netherlands 14 day incidence is 466.

Think we are 16th on the 14 day incidence

https://twitter.com/Care2much18/status/1317087911972581377

OwenM · 16-10-2020 02:50PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

No other medical experts with different opinions.

Like an actual epidemiologist, you know the people who study epidemics professionally. There's a novel thought for you....

Gael23 · 16-10-2020 02:52PM

Stheno wrote: »

Think we are 16th on the 14 day incidence

https://twitter.com/Care2much18/status/1317087911972581377

But Ireland first to shut down

Necro · 16-10-2020 02:54PM

Gael23 wrote: »

But Ireland first to shut down

It's linked to our hospital capacity though, which is by all accounts pretty small

16-10-2020 02:55PM

Gael23 wrote: »

But Ireland first to shut down

Before we get to the stage that others are at? I'd be ok with that.

16-10-2020 02:57PM

Gael23 wrote: »

But Ireland first to shut down

It's better to go early, you stand a chance of keeping other health services open then. Don't know if our government realise that.

Personally I don't agree with shutting retail like before, not a huge risk environment once people aren't hanging about for hours and distancing/hygiene measures are adhered to.

Downlinz · 16-10-2020 02:58PM

Blondini wrote: »

Level 5 with schools fully open.
Marvelous!

Fast forward six weeks with case numbers even higher :
"Oh, it was the schools after all.
Someone should have told us".

Stupidity.

It's painfully obvious this is going to happen either leading to a pointless lockdown or an extended lockdown where schools actually close sometime next month.

It'll also lead to far less buy in from the public who understandably won't be able to understand why they're isolating themselves at home with a child in the house who's mingling with someone from 25 other households in a confined space without masks.

Government really needs to get this right and climb down from their ridiculous insistence that schools are safe or it'll ruin any chance of level 5 being successful.

Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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