Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

copeyhagen · 15-10-2020 08:40PM

sabat wrote: »

And this marks the moment when Varadkar went full retard.

exactly, how could they possibly know that

majcos · 15-10-2020 08:42PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Dr Henry "Critical care death rate was 21% about Half of other countries"

I'd like to see the average age of those in ICUs. Maybe we are twice as good as every other country.

ICU mortality rate in Ireland up to 14th of October is 20.3% (HSPC data). Includes in the denominator cases still in ICU so their outcome is as of yet unknown. 102/503 have died.

UK excluding Scotland up to 31st of August (ICNARC data) gives mortality of 39.6%.

Began to wonder if this a reflection of who is admitted to ICU in Ireland as if you admit relatively younger people with less comorbidities, then outcomes would be better. Does that mean that we are not giving others a chance who may survive if they were admitted to ICU? The more ‘selective’ a health system is, the better the outcomes.

The ICNARC data however describes the level of dependency prior to hospital admission for those who ended up in ICU. Almost 90% were fully independent requiring no assistance with daily activities.

ACitizenErased · 15-10-2020 08:42PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

The number of cases as a result of community transmission is included in the daily numbers, but it was always going down and was never raised as a concern.

But now we have widespread transmission in the community according to NPHET.

Is this metric useless so?

I find it mad how they went from saying 'oh it's fine 25% CT each day' about two weeks ago to Tony saying 'its completely widespread' now.

Danno · 15-10-2020 08:45PM

stockshares wrote: »

This is funny.

It sums up our Govs position on pubs, not just the Uk's.

If you subbed a football for the drink you could include the Gaa too.

https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1316685565790740481?s=19

Four outbreaks in pubs in the last week. Such an epicentre :rolleyes:

https://www.thejournal.ie/over-100000-tests-238-hospitalised-cases-a-rising-5-day-incidence-the-latest-covid-19-data-5234018-Oct2020/ [Last line of the article]

majcos · 15-10-2020 08:47PM

feelings wrote: »

Is there a source for daily ICU numbers? I'd like to see the numbers for the last 2 months. Cheers.

Yes. It’s available in daily HSE Covid operation reports published online publicly as far back as mid April.

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/coronavirus-daily-operations-updates.html

rob316 · 15-10-2020 08:48PM

The extended over cautious approach in the last wave has backfired spectacularly and led to public covid fatigue. We had single figure infections and our pubs were still closed, our beauty industry took a ridiculous amount of time to open, there was no consideration given to the impact to young healthy people who aren't willing to lose anymore time of their lives.

15-10-2020 08:49PM

manniot2 wrote: »

Towels. So don’t wash your hands?

Yes, you wash your hands and unless you're home and use your own towel/bath towel or out and there's no paper towl then wave them around or dry them on your backside like everyone else.

majcos · 15-10-2020 08:53PM

is_that_so wrote: »

We never got to the overwhelmed stage, at which point the death rate can shoot up.

The percentage mortality in ICU that Dr. Henry was referring to refers to deaths of those who actually made it in to ICU so it would not actually count those who died outside of ICU if ICU was overwhelmed.

Akesh · 15-10-2020 08:55PM

majcos wrote: »

ICU mortality rate in Ireland up to 14th of October is 20.3% (HSPC data). Includes in the denominator cases still in ICU so their outcome is as of yet unknown. 102/503 have died.

UK excluding Scotland up to 31st of August (ICNARC data) gives mortality of 39.6%.

Began to wonder if this a reflection of who is admitted to ICU in Ireland as if you admit relatively younger people with less comorbidities, then outcomes would be better. Does that mean that we are not giving others a chance who may survive if they were admitted to ICU? The more ‘selective’ a health system is, the better the outcomes.

The ICNARC data however describes the level of dependency prior to hospital admission for those who ended up in ICU. Almost 90% were fully independent requiring no assistance with daily activities.

90% requiring no assistance is a bit misleading. There are plenty of 70+ in Ireland who would be very mobile but have other health complications not impacting their mobility or independence. It's another misleading statistic in an attempt to deflect away from the fact that the vast majority of those people that died from contracting Covid are older than the life expectancy in this country. The remainder have had other health issues.

The issue with ICU is that instead of handing out money to professional service firms who deferred invoicing to meet the criteria, they should have been vastly increasing ICU capacity.

NPHET, HSE and the Government will have a lot of questions to answer when this country is bankrupt from rolling ineffective lockdowns.

Roots 2020 · 15-10-2020 08:56PM

The R rate is estimated at 1.4 nationally. I wonder how they can calculate given the difficulties with contact tracing.

Suppose their best models.

froog · 15-10-2020 08:57PM

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/1015/1171823-your-politics-ep-102/

booze restrictions being talked about again. this idea is to close offies at 6 or 7. not sure what that would achieve.

Queried · 15-10-2020 08:59PM

rob316 wrote: »

The extended over cautious approach in the last wave has backfired spectacularly and led to public covid fatigue. We had single figure infections and our pubs were still closed, our beauty industry took a ridiculous amount of time to open, there was no consideration given to the impact to young healthy people who aren't willing to lose anymore time of their lives.

Can see your point here. I wish I had realised back in July how good we had it, and how utterly sh*te it would be now, I would have been far less afraid to see my family. I would have hugged my vulnerable parents and known how low risk it would have been, given that my only interactions with people were in supermarkets. Hindsight is a fine thing I suppose. Sorry, I've gone on a tangent :pac:

lawrencesummers · 15-10-2020 08:59PM

froog wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/1015/1171823-your-politics-ep-102/

booze restrictions being talked about again. this idea is to close offies at 6 or 7. not sure what that would achieve.

It would achieve big queues at the door of every offie from 5-7pm.

rob316 · 15-10-2020 08:59PM

froog wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/1015/1171823-your-politics-ep-102/

booze restrictions being talked about again. this idea is to close offies at 6 or 7. not sure what that would achieve.

Bigger crowds and people stocking up, utterly pointless

owlbethere · 15-10-2020 09:00PM

I wonder would there be any picture or photo book coming out of the year 2020? I would love a photo book of Ireland under lockdown when cities were deserted. A photo book of Europe under lockdown would be lovely too. There were some beautiful pictures and scenes shown on TV of Europe and European cities deserted. That's something we are never going to see again and I would love for a lot of that to be captured in photobooks.

I had a look online but no luck.

Itssoeasy · 15-10-2020 09:02PM

Turned off the news because it’s more bad news.

hotmail.com · 15-10-2020 09:03PM

Opinion polls show that majority of the public want more restrictions.

I get the impression that most of these people believe the restrictions are for someone else. Traffic levels are getting worse.

lawrencesummers · 15-10-2020 09:03PM

It’s the schools.
It’s the schools.
It’s the schools.
It’s the schools.

We brought in masks because they are supposed to help.
pubs opened and numbers stayed steady.
People wash hands.
Sanitizer is everywhere.

We opened the schools and numbers rocketed two weeks later.

If there is no data to prove this then their data is ****e, which isn’t a surprise because huge numbers of cases everyday are attributed to community transmission, which means they are unable to trace the source of the infection.

It’s the schools.
Close the schools and numbers will shrink

(But I don’t think they should close the schools)

Spanish Eyes · 15-10-2020 09:04PM

froog wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/1015/1171823-your-politics-ep-102/

booze restrictions being talked about again. this idea is to close offies at 6 or 7. not sure what that would achieve.

I do wish they would explain the rationale for all the restrictions.

For example, don't see anyone even in your garden, well that's because it might get cold and people might need the loo and in you go. Drinks outside beforehand don't help. I get this, but TELL EVERYONE.

Closing the Off sales at 6pm? Hmm only affects those who are not home until after that really and they HAVE to go to work not WFH. That's not fair either.

Tell us about your thinking Government, and possibly people will get onside a bit more.

Beasty · 15-10-2020 09:04PM

Balagan1 wrote: »

dry them on your backside like everyone else.

But give it 72 hours since you last sat on any public seat....:pac:

GazzaL · 15-10-2020 09:05PM

froog wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/1015/1171823-your-politics-ep-102/

booze restrictions being talked about again. this idea is to close offies at 6 or 7. not sure what that would achieve.

Nothing apart from getting people to talk about something completely irrelevant, distracting people from the real issues with test turnaround times, contact tracing, hospital and ICU capacities.

Beasty · 15-10-2020 09:05PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Turned off the news because it’s more bad news.

What on earth are you doing in this thread then?

Itssoeasy · 15-10-2020 09:06PM

Beasty wrote: »

What on earth are you doing in this thread then?

I’m trying to be an eternal optimist but rte news is a bridge too far.

15-10-2020 09:07PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

It’s the schools.
It’s the schools.
It’s the schools.
It’s the schools.

We brought in masks because they are supposed to help.
pubs opened and numbers stayed steady.
People wash hands.
Sanitizer is everywhere.

We opened the schools and numbers rocketed two weeks later.

If there is no data to prove this then their data is ****e, which isn’t a surprise because huge numbers of cases everyday are attributed to community transmission, which means they are unable to trace the source of the infection.

It’s the schools.
Close the schools and numbers will shrink

(But I don’t think they should close the schools)

Best quote yet, if there is no data to support my view the data is wrong.

The growth rate since June is constant

Cluedo Monopoly · 15-10-2020 09:07PM

What will be ever talk about when Covid is gone?

God forbid Trump loses the election too!!

FintanMcluskey · 15-10-2020 09:08PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Opinion polls show that majority of the public want more restrictions.

I get the impression that most of these people believe the restrictions are for someone else. Traffic levels are getting worse.

Very valid point.

Those who shout the loudest, have the most to hide

Roots 2020 · 15-10-2020 09:08PM

It's a terrible time if you're going to die, can't enjoy a decent wake and funeral, and hearing people saying nice things about you, for a change. Not a proper send off at all.

I'd want to be exhumed when Covid was past and get the full Irish wake.

rob316 · 15-10-2020 09:08PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

It’s the schools.
It’s the schools.
It’s the schools.
It’s the schools.

We brought in masks because they are supposed to help.
pubs opened and numbers stayed steady.
People wash hands.
Sanitizer is everywhere.

We opened the schools and numbers rocketed two weeks later.

If there is no data to prove this then their data is ****e, which isn’t a surprise because huge numbers of cases everyday are attributed to community transmission, which means they are unable to trace the source of the infection.

It’s the schools.
Close the schools and numbers will shrink

(But I don’t think they should close the schools)

As a parent I desperately wants the schools open and even more so the special needs schools but it's just not possible. The idiot on the street can see the correlation of schools opening and cases rocketing and it's not exclusive to us, the UK have followed the same path.
If your modelling can't see that I have less than zero faith in nphet.

Instead will hammer the final nail into the coffin of retail when we move to level 4.

Gruffalux · 15-10-2020 09:10PM

Beasty wrote: »

But give it 72 hours since you last sat on any public seat....:pac:

Pffft. You've obviously never heard of bus pants.

FintanMcluskey · 15-10-2020 09:10PM

Beasty wrote: »

What on earth are you doing in this thread then?

Well it’s not like there is much else to be at.

If I had any opportunity I’d happily not share my thoughts on here with people who don’t care about them and occupy myself elsewhere

Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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