Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

Russman wrote: »

That’s the point exactly, there are no easy options. Western society is going to have to suck it up and “change” (for want of a better phrase) for a few more months. It’ll be done in either a semi planned (lockdowns) or totally unplanned (Let it rip and hospitals overwhelmed) way.

I think people think there is a solution to this. Believe me, I f**king hate this virus and I hate what it's done to our lives. It's affecting me the same as it's affecting everyone I speak to.

But it's a virus. Without a vaccine or the virus burning itself out, we have no way out. No exit strategy. We just have to muddle on.

As you say, the government have a choice. Either lockdown to save lives/public health and destroy our economy or open up and accept that people, the most vulnerable people mainly, will die. They are the options at both ends of the scale and they have to decide what the right balance is but some degree of death and economic ruin will result either way. There is no option open to them where we go back to normal life or eliminate the virus. It's frustrating and unprecedented for us but that's the reality.

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Positive swabs should be greater than confirmed cases, based on that logic :rolleyes:

Did you not say positive swabs include retests before?

DeanAustin wrote: »

I think people think there is a solution to this. Believe me, I f**king hate this virus and I hate what it's done to our lives. It's affecting me the same as it's affecting everyone I speak to.

But it's a virus. Without a vaccine or the virus burning itself out, we have no way out. No exit strategy. We just have to muddle on.

As you say, the government have a choice. Either lockdown to save lives/public health and destroy our economy or open up and accept that people, the most vulnerable people mainly, will die. They are the options at both ends of the scale and they have to decide what the right balance is but some degree of death and economic ruin will result either way. There is no option open to them where we go back to normal life or eliminate the virus. It's frustrating and unprecedented for us but that's the reality.

This. Unfortunately it now appears like the real decisions are out of the public's hands. The vast, vast majority of people are following the rules. Someone has to decide what way we're going, we're kinda stuck in the middle now.

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Well its quite clear listening to him that they've recommended an increase in restrictions again

I'd be willing to side with increased restrictions if they said:

we're going into level 4/5 on X date.
We're coming out of level 4/5 no matter what X weeks later.
And go with it.

Based on what I'm seeing on Twitter (i'm not watching the presser) it appears as if employers have completely scrapped the work from home idea

Santy2015 wrote: »

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DeanAustin wrote: »

I think people think there is a solution to this. Believe me, I f**king hate this virus and I hate what it's done to our lives. It's affecting me the same as it's affecting everyone I speak to.

But it's a virus. Without a vaccine or the virus burning itself out, we have no way out. No exit strategy. We just have to muddle on.

As you say, the government have a choice. Either lockdown to save lives/public health and destroy our economy or open up and accept that people, the most vulnerable people mainly, will die. They are the options at both ends of the scale and they have to decide what the right balance is but some degree of death and economic ruin will result either way. There is no option open to them where we go back to normal life or eliminate the virus. It's frustrating and unprecedented for us but that's the reality.

100%
It’s that stark reality that society is struggling to comprehend imo.

For the people wishing for level 5, it’s not going to happen because country can’t afford to fund it

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

You can tell by the rush hour traffic that people are back in offices in Dublin.

Checkpoint plods would be better off asking what is the nature of your employers business and asking for contact details for the “ non essential but thinks they are” employers and following up with said employers. Course that also needs legislation, right???? That old chestnut.

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

For me the sense that many people are ignoring restrictions makes the whole thing feel worse.

If I can't visit one or two close friends in one of our homes and my neighbours are having a house party with 30 people it really feels bad.

I rellly want improved enforcement.

We can improve enforcement for sure but if you're trying to police a population of 5m, it's just not possible to have anything near absolute enforcement. The Gardai have about 15,000 people I think. That's one guard to 333 people without even getting into the actual jobs these people do and the fact they don't work 24 hours a day.

I'm in cork and know of people are whos employers are making the employees come in and those roles can be done from home. Where I work, were all WFH bar a certain amount who have to go in some days to do things like server checks etc

Do we have a county by county breakdown?