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wrangler · 15-10-2020 11:02am

NcdJd wrote: »

Good advice I'll be definitely looking at other things over the winter. I enjoy growing things wrangler so there's a bit of disappointment but as you say the thing is to learn from the mistakes, I'll keep chipping away while I find it enjoyable.

A few around here have tried vegetable boxes and didn't last so it's not simple.
A husband and wife near here made a great success of vegetables and had to buy land to do it, but they worked very hard at it.
I had to change enterprises a few times in my farming career and I can safely say it takes five years to get it to the stage where there are no surprises.

Siamsa Sessions · 15-10-2020 11:06am

wrangler wrote: »

Beef producers need an education like you've experienced, The market is very fickle, some think that when they produce a product there'll be a market, those breeding pedigree bulls this year have seen it, I also learnt it when I commenced breeding pedigree rams and it definitely doesn't work to add up all your costs and add a margin and charge that price

I was reading a book about marketing recently and it had something about the difference between sales and marketing.

Sales is producing a product and then going looking for customers. Marketing is finding out what the customers want and then producing it for them.

Too many people are not even aware of their customers never mind say changing to meet their needs.

Best of luck NcdJd - you’re probably ahead of the curve already

NcdJd · 15-10-2020 11:07am

wrangler wrote: »

A few around here have tried vegetable boxes and didn't last so it's not simple.
A husband and wife near here made a great success of vegetables and had to buy land to do it, but they worked very hard at it.
I had to change enterprises a few times in my farming career and I can safely say it takes five years to get it to the stage where there are no surprises.

My brother said I should get a couple of cattle ha. It's a good job I read the the tales of hardship in here

I'd probably have a few Angus wandering around outside !

NcdJd · 15-10-2020 11:09am

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

I was reading a book about marketing recently and it had something about the difference between sales and marketing.

Sales is producing a product and then going looking for customers. Marketing is finding out what the customers want and then producing it for them.

Too many people are not even aware of their customers never mind say changing to meet their needs.

Best of luck NcdJd - you’re probably ahead of the curve already

Thanks for that Siamsa. Watch this space as they say.

Hard Knocks · 15-10-2020 11:33am

Do many here buy Agritech products
Going to give minerals (cows calves & yearlings)
Would you advise Optimare or Welmin multiboost?

Lady Haywire · 15-10-2020 1:12pm

Took heifers over to Carrigallen earlier & really opened my eyes to the risks people take on the road. There were a number of times I was wincing as cars passed out on corners, white lines etc & missed others by mere feet. And I wasn't going a snails pace either & was pulling in if more than 3 were behind me. No bloody patience & tell you what, if you whacked an oncoming car you'd lose all those precious seconds you saved waiting behind the tractor.

On top of that I waved to my next door neighbour who was also heading away from the mart as I was heading off for green cert direct. Now he's one of the most careful drivers you could meet & just heard he got hit by a lorry over near Cavan. Now he's ok as he rang Dad but I'd put money on it not being his fault.

Say my name · 15-10-2020 1:32pm

Lady Haywire wrote: »

Took heifers over to Carrigallen earlier & really opened my eyes to the risks people take on the road. There were a number of times I was wincing as cars passed out on corners, white lines etc & missed others by mere feet. And I wasn't going a snails pace either & was pulling in if more than 3 were behind me. No bloody patience & tell you what, if you whacked an oncoming car you'd lose all those precious seconds you saved waiting behind the tractor.

On top of that I waved to my next door neighbour who was also heading away from the mart as I was heading off for green cert direct. Now he's one of the most careful drivers you could meet & just heard he got hit by a lorry over near Cavan. Now he's ok as he rang Dad but I'd put money on it not being his fault.

I hate driving the tractor on the road.
I couldn't wait till I was finished drawing straw.

Now it is easier if you've a bigger tractor. People are more inclined to wait if you've size and can do 40 or above.
With my ford doing 30 people just pass out on the stupidest of places not even slowing down.

I reckon people don't give themselves time any more and look for that adrenalin rush in passing a tractor at speed. The sat nav time is probably a target to beat. And then their whole lives fall apart if they're held up.
Or maybe they're just knobs!

Panch18 · 15-10-2020 1:53pm

whelan2 wrote: »

Alot of people give out about olol,I couldn't fault it tbh and we are very lucky it's not far away from us. Thought I'd be heading in with young lad ladt night. He bent his thumb back in training. Has broken it twice before. But deep heat and a chipper fixed it

I found myself in a serous health situation going up the M1 there a few years ago and was taken to Our Lady's in Drogheda

Have to say i got excellent attention from all when i was there, really dealt with situation very well and i was there for a decent amount of time. My specialist later told me that they had done everything by the book and i was lucky it was that hospital that i had been taken to.

So i have a lot of time for the guys at Our Lady's - big thanks to them

Anto_Meath · 15-10-2020 1:57pm

What I find hard to understand is when you are meeting cars, some people seem like they would prefer crash into a tractor then keep close to the ditch when they are meeting you.

roosterman71 · 15-10-2020 2:04pm

Anto_Meath wrote: »

What I find hard to understand is when you are meeting cars, some people seem like they would prefer crash into a tractor then keep close to the ditch when they are meeting you.

That's 100%. Ya'd see cars actually getting further away from the ditch as they approach. My own technique now is to hold my position and not be swinging in out of the way at the first sign of a car coming. That just encourages them to stay coming and not pull in. When we do get close, they'll have slowed down (hopefully) and both can pull in then for space. In tight spots, I'll get in as close as I can, and then don't move. Let the car be the one to pass me and not the other way around. Can't be blamed for "hitting" them then if I'm not moving :pac:

15-10-2020 2:34pm

Anto_Meath wrote: »

What I find hard to understand is when you are meeting cars, some people seem like they would prefer crash into a tractor then keep close to the ditch when they are meeting you.

A dashcam is an invaluable thing to have. As long as the owner realises it can equally incriminate them as well as other road users.

NcdJd · 15-10-2020 5:13pm

Anyone know what type of horse this horseshoe would have been on ? It's massive and heavy. Cigarette lighter for scale.

whelan2 · 15-10-2020 5:16pm

Panch18 wrote: »

I found myself in a serous health situation going up the M1 there a few years ago and was taken to Our Lady's in Drogheda

Have to say i got excellent attention from all when i was there, really dealt with situation very well and i was there for a decent amount of time. My specialist later told me that they had done everything by the book and i was lucky it was that hospital that i had been taken to.

So i have a lot of time for the guys at Our Lady's - big thanks to them

I dont know how nurses face into work each day.

wrangler · 15-10-2020 5:22pm

whelan2 wrote: »

I dont know how nurses face into work each day.

Small supermarket owners are the real heroes, without any crisis involved they've sold their soul to the likes of Centra AND supervalue, working all hours and now they're ensuring we all have food etc ..... no 38 hr weeks there and taking the same risks as hospitals

gozunda · 15-10-2020 5:49pm

NcdJd wrote: »

Anyone know what type of horse this horseshoe would have been on ? It's massive and heavy. Cigarette lighter for scale.

Heavy farm horse I'd imagine. Maybe something like a clydsdale or similar. They have hooves the size of dinner plates.

The downturns on the shoe in your photo were designed to prevent slipping when pulling a heavy load or ploughing or where traction was needed such as in snowy conditions.

Put it up on a shed with the ends pointing upwards and it will bring luck and protection against bad things

NcdJd · 15-10-2020 5:57pm

gozunda wrote: »

Heavy farm horse I'd imagine. Maybe something like a clydsdale or similar. They have hooves the size of dinner plates.

The downturns on the shoe in your photo were designed to prevent slipping when pulling a heavy load or ploughing or where traction was needed such as in snowy conditions.

Put it up on a shed with the ends pointing upwards and it will bring luck and protection against bad things

Thanks gozunda, just showed it to me father and he said same, plough horse. Some weight in it. I'll buy a lotto ticket and put it behind. If I win the euro millions I'll send an envelope for advising the correct way to hang a horseshoe in a shed.

No wonder I'm not having much luck these days ha.

gozunda · 15-10-2020 6:04pm

Some shop brand milk recalled

https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1171809/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=upday

Lady Haywire · 15-10-2020 6:21pm

NcdJd wrote: »

Anyone know what type of horse this horseshoe would have been on ? It's massive and heavy. Cigarette lighter for scale.

Plough horses were much of a muchness back then, bit of heinz 57 about them.
Have a shoe here from the old farm my Great grandfather came from, we used to put it under a clocking hen in thunder (hen sitting on eggs Say My Name:p)

Say my name · 15-10-2020 6:36pm

Lady Haywire wrote: »

Plough horses were much of a muchness back then, bit of heinz 57 about them.
Have a shoe here from the old farm my Great grandfather came from, we used to put it under a clocking hen in thunder (hen sitting on eggs Say My Name:p)

Clucking hen down here.

Did ye put the hen in the dresser drawer?

NcdJd · 15-10-2020 6:40pm

Lady Haywire wrote: »

Plough horses were much of a muchness back then, bit of heinz 57 about them.
Have a shoe here from the old farm my Great grandfather came from, we used to put it under a clocking hen in thunder (hen sitting on eggs Say My Name:p)

It's my best find of 2020. I'm always looking around for clay pipes and bits of plates. I'm easily amused ha

Mac Taylor · 15-10-2020 7:58pm

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1015/1171802-sour-milk-court/

Jeez.........what the hell is the world coming to................

Birdnuts · 15-10-2020 7:58pm

NcdJd wrote: »

Anyone know what type of horse this horseshoe would have been on ? It's massive and heavy. Cigarette lighter for scale.

One of the big Draught or Irish Shire breeds - we still had them doing work on my Mothers place well into the 70's, happy simpler times they were and loved helping out during harvest and hay season as a young lad:)

wrangler · 15-10-2020 8:06pm

Birdnuts wrote: »

One of the big Draught or Irish Shire breeds - we still had them doing work on my Mothers place well into the 70's, happy simpler times they were and loved helping out during harvest and hay season as a young lad:)

I worked horses up to my late teens, nearly the last in the country to get a tractor ....... or so it felt

Buford T. Justice XIX · 15-10-2020 8:11pm

Mac Taylor wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1015/1171802-sour-milk-court/

Jeez.........what the hell is the world coming to................

I'm due a fortune, I drink yogurt every day:pac:

15-10-2020 8:18pm

wrangler wrote: »

I worked horses up to my late teens, nearly the last in the country to get a tractor ....... or so it felt

A new enterprise idea came to me late last year. Part of solving the challenge is moving something mobile around the land. Funny enough I shacked up with a horsey woman, and she suggested horse power. I went looking at logging horses and it's fantastic what they can do on land unsuitable for machines. I'll make do with a special winch, but when I make my first million Rodney I'll get a couple of horses or ponies. They are not a small cost to be fair!

wrangler · 15-10-2020 8:31pm

Deleted User wrote: »

A new enterprise idea came to me late last year. Part of solving the challenge is moving something mobile around the land. Funny enough I shacked up with a horsey woman, and she suggested horse power. I went looking at logging horses and it's fantastic what they can do on land unsuitable for machines. I'll make do with a special winch, but when I make my first million Rodney I'll get a couple of horses or ponies. They are not a small cost to be fair!

Have you still got the quad, just as good ....... or am I mixing you up with someone else
We always had one horse and then borrowed one for ploughing.
Workman used to feed the cattle during the week and I did it at weekends, when I'd be coming home the horse would swing in the workmans gate..... obviously he'd pull in for tea when he'd be finished foddering during the week, The horse would throw you off the bloody cart if you weren't expecting the swerve in the gate

Say my name · 15-10-2020 8:34pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

A new enterprise idea came to me late last year. Part of solving the challenge is moving something mobile around the land. Funny enough I shacked up with a horsey woman, and she suggested horse power. I went looking at logging horses and it's fantastic what they can do on land unsuitable for machines. I'll make do with a special winch, but when I make my first million Rodney I'll get a couple of horses or ponies. They are not a small cost to be fair!

My father tells me about the conditions the logging horses lived under and only surviving on the bit of grass, tied next to the trees. He said it was absolute cruelty.
It's amusing now that the current generation look through rose tinted nostalgic glasses when logging horses are thought of. And some who'd condemn horse racing would like the idea of horse logging.
It's based on what your experience is probably though.

15-10-2020 8:38pm

wrangler wrote: »

Have you still got the quad, just as good ....... or am I mixing you up with someone else
We always had one horse and then borrowed one for ploughing.
Workman used to feed the cattle during the week and I did it at weekends, when I'd be coming home the horse would swing in the workmans gate..... obviously he'd pull in for tea when he'd be finished foddering during the week, The horse would throw you off the bloody cart if you weren't expecting the swerve in the gate

Quad is a great tool in certain situations, but when dealing with weight on grassy slopes it's looking for trouble. Mine isn't operational atm, must do a rebuild over the Winter.

Say my name wrote: »

My father tells me about the conditions the logging horses lived under and only surviving on the bit of grass, tied next to the trees. He said it was absolute cruelty.
It's amusing now that the current generation look through rose tinted nostalgic glasses when logging horses are thought of. And some who'd condemn horse racing would like the idea of horse logging.
It's based on what your experience is probably though.

I was looking at modern day logging horses, they're much in demand. Lots of bits on YouTube about them.

Say my name · 15-10-2020 8:51pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I was looking at modern day logging horses, they're much in demand. Lots of bits on YouTube about them.

Logging is logging.
Big difference pulling something with a wheel or even a plough on flat ground than a tree trunk on hilly ground.

The only reason the green types like horse logging is it's slow and there's no clear fell.
If it was just the idea of a horse dragging a heavy load and no forest or trees involved they'd be calling it animal abuse.

15-10-2020 9:01pm

Say my name wrote: »

Logging is logging.
Big difference pulling something with a wheel or even a plough on flat ground than a tree trunk on hilly ground.

The only reason the green types like horse logging is it's slow and there's no clear fell.
If it was just the idea of a horse dragging a heavy load and no forest or trees involved they'd be calling it animal abuse.

I'm not getting the point tbh :pac::pac: I'm at that age where I tune out what others think. I have an aunt that has a great trick, she'll agree with absolutely anything but she'll do what she wants herself, it sends a message once you figure it out. I was looking at the horses for their talents on what would be dangerous ground for machinery around my own farm. They're a lot more stable, pardon the pun. They'd also be a nice traditional element for the farm, an asset in itself.

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