Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

caveat emptor · 15-10-2020 04:00PM

seamus wrote: »

"Fake" news would be too much, as it's technically correct.

However it's misleading, since it implies a drastic increase. When it reality it's up by 4 (less than 2%) in the last 24 hours and down by 2 in the last 48 hours.

It's ironic that RTE have recently gone on a big, "Trust us, we're not some randomer on Facebook, we're respected journalists" ad drive, but have spent the last week churning out clickbait fearmongering that the Daily Mail would be proud of.

Complete fake news alright. Can't see a trend myself. :rolleyes:

ACitizenErased · 15-10-2020 04:02PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Complete fake news alright. Can't see a trend myself. :rolleyes:

That's a grand tight axis you have there. Why don't we use the actual HSE graph?

Eod100 · 15-10-2020 04:03PM

NPHET briefing at 6pm https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1316756036565569546?s=19

Widdensushi · 15-10-2020 04:03PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

We're not meant to guess so I'll average yours

900 + 1100 + 999+ 700 /4 = 925

Beasty usually has a good guess

Boggles · 15-10-2020 04:04PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

That's a grand tight axis you have there. Why don't we use the actual HSE graph?

That's hardly less grim TBF.

ACitizenErased · 15-10-2020 04:05PM

Boggles wrote: »

That's hardly less grim TBF.

I got called out plenty for being 'misleading'. Posting a custom chart that looks very much not like the actual figures is about as misleading as it gets.

Oranage2 · 15-10-2020 04:05PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Complete fake news alright. Can't see a trend myself. :rolleyes:

Could that steep rise just be an outlier? That's scary

ednwireland · 15-10-2020 04:07PM

mollser wrote: »

Just checking the updated LEA map - Celbridge - seriously - it's gone from being one of the very highest /100k rates 4 weeks ago (>300??) to almost bang on the country average of 120 - only 26 cases in the last 2 weeks.

Notably, they didn't even join level 3 at the same time as Dublin, bars etc remained open! Obviously a concerted local effort there to get it under control.

To me this is outstanding news - but has anyone in the media, or HSE, or NPHET, anywhere picked up on this? No, wouldn't fit the doom narrative. But surely this should be held up as a shining example as to how quick some personal discipline can turn this thing around - time for positive and encouraging stories surely!

tv3 this morning stated the case numbers for counties with high numbers and the 14day average per 100000 for border counties because 20 something cases for donegal yesterday wouldnt have sounded high enough honestly you'd think they think we dont see through this stuff

Boggles · 15-10-2020 04:07PM

seamus wrote: »

The best we can say is that there has been no appreciable change in positivity rate in the last five days. All in around 7.5%

My hope that we're at or near the peak of the current surge remains undashed.

The 7 day postivity rate has gone from 5.1 to 6.5% in 5 days.

brookers · 15-10-2020 04:08PM

dermot bannon LLS this friday. Will be wall to wall Dermot from now till after CHristmas. No need to buy any guide.

caveat emptor · 15-10-2020 04:09PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

That's a grand tight axis you have there. Why don't we use the actual HSE graph?

The chart I posted dates from July (when some people were saying there wouldn't be a second wave) so it's not exactly narrow. Why would I look at the first wave, it's happened, it was horrible and it's over. HSE deliberately use grand totals and long time lines to remove any sort of perspective.

Do you now accept it's a second wave and exponential growth is not defined by increasing 30% each day? That was dreadfully optimistic and myopic :eek:

Longing · 15-10-2020 04:11PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Complete fake news alright. Can't see a trend myself. :rolleyes:

Stabilizing if you turn the chart 90 degrees to the right.;)

ACitizenErased · 15-10-2020 04:12PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

The chart I posted dates from July (when some people were saying there wouldn't be a second wave) so it's not exactly narrow. Why would I look at the first wave, it's happened, it was horrible and it's over. HSE deliberately use grand totals and long time lines to remove any sort of perspective.

Do you now accept it's a second wave and exponential growth is not defined by increasing 30% each day? That was dreadfully optimistic and myopic :eek:

That's the horizontal axis, you top out your vertical axis at 250, roughly 30% of the amount of COVID patients we had in hospital in March/April/May. It's almost as if you're limiting the range to make it look steeper, but you would never do that.

Boggles · 15-10-2020 04:12PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I got called out plenty for being 'misleading'. Posting a custom chart that looks very much not like the actual figures is about as misleading as it gets.

I'm sure it was warranted, but the chart referenced is over 3+ months, I don't see how it is misleading.

caveat emptor · 15-10-2020 04:12PM

Would these looney tunes not F off back to their own continent. They are funding stupidity. Must be China behind it. :pac:

https://twitter.com/artimusfoul/status/1316728311893184513?s=20

ACitizenErased · 15-10-2020 04:13PM

Boggles wrote: »

I'm sure it was warranted, but the chart referenced is over 3+ months, I don't see how it is misleading.

Because the axis used is misrepresentative. Anyone can limit the range of a vertical axis to make something look steeper than it actually is.

weldoninhio · 15-10-2020 04:13PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Well I for one am livid .Livid with the HSE for not getting its act together when numbers were low and getting tracking and tracing up and running efficiently .Livid with people who gathered in houses, in crowds , after matches, clucked in groups after dropping kids to school .Livid with young people who gather in huge crowds on greens and couldnt be arsed moving aside when I want to pass them on a path .Livid that the Government cannot spend money on where its needed for bed capacity and health services . Livid with anyone who thinks they are far too important to abide by the rules and stay bloody out of my space in a shop

I did everything asked of me and still do and what did that get me ? Back to no visitors or no one in my garden ? So I cant meet my friend in my garden 10 feet apart but can talk to my neighbour over the garden wall at 6 feet because she is not in my garden ?
It wont matter if they call it Level 903 because the same arseh~les will flaunt it anyway and do as they damn please /.

You sound livid.

Boggles · 15-10-2020 04:15PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Because the axis used is misrepresentative. Anyone can limit the range of a vertical axis to make something look steeper than it actually is.

There is always a limit on the vertical axis. There has to be.

Look at the one you referenced.

TonyMaloney · 15-10-2020 04:16PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Because the axis used is misrepresentative. Anyone can limit the range of a vertical axis to make something look steeper than it actually is.

Steeper than it "actually" is?

It's a graph. They're both graphs. Neither are actual.

caveat emptor · 15-10-2020 04:16PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Because the axis used is misrepresentative. Anyone can limit the range of a vertical axis to make something look steeper than it actually is.

I've explained why I used the previous 100 days on the x axis. It's a second wave. Wouldn't you agree? It's ok to admit you got it wrong. Hopefully those who listened to you aren't too upset to find themselves under harsh restrictions. We are all learning. and part of learning is saying I don't know.

Longing · 15-10-2020 04:18PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Because the axis used is misrepresentative. Anyone can limit the range of a vertical axis to make something look steeper than it actually is.

1000 cases a day is steep. Remember here not so long ago individuals laughing at people prediction 300 to 500 cases a day

ACitizenErased · 15-10-2020 04:18PM

Boggles wrote: »

There is always a limit on the vertical axis. There has to be.

Look at the one you referenced.

I know how graphs work. The graph I used had a vertical limit of 1000, which I reduced down to ~500 to show that there was a growth :rolleyes:

Jim_Hodge · 15-10-2020 04:18PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Because the axis used is misrepresentative. Anyone can limit the range of a vertical axis to make something look steeper than it actually is.

Forget about the axis. Just look at the numbers. 40 to 240 since the start of September. You can't sugar coat that while it's still rising.

ACitizenErased · 15-10-2020 04:19PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Forget about the axis. Just look at the numbers. 40 to 240 since the start of September. You can't sugar coat that while it's still rising.

Who's trying to sugar coat? The poster put up a graph with a near vertical line. Completely misleading.

Boggles · 15-10-2020 04:19PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I know how graphs work. The graph I used had a vertical limit of 1000, which I reduced down to ~500 to show that there was a growth :rolleyes:

So it's okay for you to manipulate the vertical axis?

Cool.

eigrod · 15-10-2020 04:21PM

Latest from Italy

https://twitter.com/ferdigiugliano/status/1316760147637735424?s=21

ACitizenErased · 15-10-2020 04:22PM

Boggles wrote: »

So it's okay for you to manipulate the vertical axis?

Cool.

Ah yes, the turn it back on me argument, classic Boggles!

TonyMaloney · 15-10-2020 04:24PM

The positivity rate is really shooting up

caveat emptor · 15-10-2020 04:24PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I know how graphs work. The graph I used had a vertical limit of 1000, which I reduced down to ~500 to show that there was a growth :rolleyes:

Here's a chart with an axis set manually. Hope it makes you feel all warm and fussy. It's the positivity rate set with a y limit of 100. (the theoretical max). Enjoy. :pac:

TonyMaloney · 15-10-2020 04:25PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Here's a chart with an axis set manually. Hope it makes you feel all warm and fussy. It's the positivity rate set with a y limit of 100. (the theoretical max). Enjoy. :pac:

Oh thank god, we're saved!

Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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