Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

alentejo wrote: »

I feel really sorry for children in all this.

My only child daughter has a choice this weekend aged 9.

Was planning for her to meet 3 friends in a park this weekend at 3 oc to celebrate a birthday (an hour simply to say hi and give a small gift)
This is not allowed now.

However, my daughter can train for camogie in a pod of up to 15 people on the same day.

Just seems very unfair.

One one hand at least she can still do something with the training.

On the other it’s a contradiction that people will use as an excuse to ignore the restrictions.

MarkY91 wrote: »

It's much simpler than you portray though... it is necessary to work (within accepted risks), but those risks are not worth taking to socialise.

It can all be neatly summarised like this - Limit your contact with other people to an absolute minimum.

That's something everyone can understand, but some work themselves up finding the obvious loopholes and contradictions, so that they don't have to. For the sake of clarity, it would obviously crystal clear to ban everything and confine us to our homes... but in trying to carry on with some level of normality, people have to be given choices and options, even if they don't fully add up when directly compared.

Unless it's an 'all or nothing' situation, there will always be contradictions, but we all know what the spirit of the exercise is. You either accept that reducing the spread of this virus takes sacrifice and effort, .... or you don't.

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Only my opinion... But it feels like the government is bringing in everything but a level 5 lockdown. Like they're nudging against the line but not wanting to cross over it. So what's the point guys? Just go level 5. I reckon we will be level 5 within the next month and a half (before December)

If they go to level 5 now then where do they go if the shit really hits the fan?

Unless they pull out L5 + C

I think to ensure buy in to a vaccine the government need to present a plan on how restrictions will be removed.

I won’t be taking a vaccine unless normality returns within a very short period

weldoninhio wrote: »

Undecided so far. I normally get it through work, but I reacted badly to last years one and was ill for two weeks. Not sure I want that again.

You were ill, but I presume you didn't end up in hospital?. That is what the flu jab is trying to avoid - a drain on hospital resources so that those that need a bed, have a chance of getting one.

MarkY91 wrote: »

Ah give it a rest. We all sacrificed all year and will remain to do so. I'm not following a rule that allows me to meet my ma in a beer garden but bans me from meeting her in her front garden.

These guidelines from day one cannot be taken literally unfortunately, they require a level of interpretation that isn’t specified. Also they are guidelines that don’t make any difference really to the people that have been following them all along.

The people who have ignored them all along are not going to change now.

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Are you a headline only kinda person? No interest in the reasoning behind something?

caveat emptor wrote: »

For anyone wondering why people are looking at reinfection. It's because the second infection could be much worse. Aided by said antibodies.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antibody-dependent_enhancement

That is potentially also an issue for vaccine and new antibody therapys. That is why people who have autoimmune diseases, neurological issues like MS or previous epidodes of GB or transverse myelitis etc are worried re fast tracking vaccines or new antibody therapys. Some of them are in the high risk covid groups but also potentially at risk for side effects of the above and are put in the groups to get vaccines first. i would advise them to start watching the phase 3 trials+ and talk with their disease specialists and immunoligists.

Honest question: Does visiting somebody who lives alone and whose mental health has taken a horrifying nosedive over the last six months of near total isolation count as "compassionate grounds"? My best friend is in this situation and I have absolutely no intention of abandoning her. It really astonishes me that the mental health aspects of social loneliness aren't being addressed or even mentioned in the official discourse around restrictions. We're both young people who are used to living among crowds of people (we're both musicians) and the culture shock of having that vanish overnight has been horrendous; but I live with my family, she lives in an apartment by herself. Maybe it's just me, but I would classify preventing somebody from suffering the kind of isolation-induced mental decline which has been noted and verified for years in different scientific studies as an "essential" or "compassionate" visit.

As others have said, young adults and the elderly in particular are being ignored in this public discourse - as with so many other aspects of Irish policymaking, the focus completely misses the fact that many people in these demographics live alone and are not part of a family unit. Young people who aren't in a cohabiting relationship and have no children, elderly people who are single, widowed and/or have children who have left the nest. Those people will not survive much more of this and some provision needs to be made for including those types of people in the "compassionate grounds" exemptions so that one can call over for a couple of hours and a cup of coffee or tea without feeling like a criminal.

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Honest question: Does visiting somebody who lives alone and whose mental health has taken a horrifying nosedive over the last six months of near total isolation count as "compassionate grounds"? My best friend is in this situation and I have absolutely no intention of abandoning her. It really astonishes me that the mental health aspects of social loneliness aren't being addressed or even mentioned in the official discourse around restrictions. We're both young people who are used to living among crowds of people (we're both musicians) and the culture shock of having that vanish overnight has been horrendous; but I live with my family, she lives in an apartment by herself. Maybe it's just me, but I would classify preventing somebody from suffering the kind of isolation-induced mental decline which has been noted and verified for years in different scientific studies as an "essential" or "compassionate" visit.

As others have said, young adults and the elderly in particular are being ignored in this public discourse - as with so many other aspects of Irish policymaking, the focus completely misses the fact that many people in these demographics live alone and are not part of a family unit. Young people who aren't in a cohabiting relationship and have no children, elderly people who are single, widowed and/or have children who have left the nest. Those people will not survive much more of this and some provision needs to be made for including those types of people in the "compassionate grounds" exemptions so that one can call over for a couple of hours and a cup of coffee or tea without feeling like a criminal.

If what you say is absolutely genuine then personally I'd see no issue.

Let's be honest, during the previous full-lockdown in may I saw a local Garda checkout 2 mins walk from my house. As I was passing by everyone in their car were saying "just off the shops guard" - let's be realistic not everyone was there was too many cars. Of course there were people visiting their family or friends and certainly not everyone of them had mental health issues!

That said it's on you. Always the risk you could get it on the way to hers and infect your family. So ... Your call.

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Honest question: Does visiting somebody who lives alone and whose mental health has taken a horrifying nosedive over the last six months of near total isolation count as "compassionate grounds"? My best friend is in this situation and I have absolutely no intention of abandoning her. It really astonishes me that the mental health aspects of social loneliness aren't being addressed or even mentioned in the official discourse around restrictions. We're both young people who are used to living among crowds of people (we're both musicians) and the culture shock of having that vanish overnight has been horrendous; but I live with my family, she lives in an apartment by herself. Maybe it's just me, but I would classify preventing somebody from suffering the kind of isolation-induced mental decline which has been noted and verified for years in different scientific studies as an "essential" or "compassionate" visit.

As others have said, young adults and the elderly in particular are being ignored in this public discourse - as with so many other aspects of Irish policymaking, the focus completely misses the fact that many people in these demographics live alone and are not part of a family unit. Young people who aren't in a cohabiting relationship and have no children, elderly people who are single, widowed and/or have children who have left the nest. Those people will not survive much more of this and some provision needs to be made for including those types of people in the "compassionate grounds" exemptions so that one can call over for a couple of hours and a cup of coffee or tea without feeling like a criminal.

I would say yes too, but that is only my opinion, which is why we end up in debate on these boards.

I would restrict contact to the absolute minimum time and number of visits necessary, for your and their safety. The problem at the moment is that the essential aim of the current restrictions, (reduce your contacts) has to be wrapped up in sample scenarios that don't stand up to detailed comparison and so are open to individual justification.

If everyone did what is best for themselves in particular and society in general, we would not have to list and define scenarios.

1351 new cases in Scotland. 13 deaths.

450 are in Greater Glasgow and Clyde, where they've had the same household restrictions we now have for over five weeks.
I'm all for lockdowns and restrictions. I bloody love them. But not ones that don't seem to work and yet are difficult to live with.

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Honest question: Does visiting somebody who lives alone and whose mental health has taken a horrifying nosedive over the last six months of near total isolation count as "compassionate grounds"? My best friend is in this situation and I have absolutely no intention of abandoning her. It really astonishes me that the mental health aspects of social loneliness aren't being addressed or even mentioned in the official discourse around restrictions. We're both young people who are used to living among crowds of people (we're both musicians) and the culture shock of having that vanish overnight has been horrendous; but I live with my family, she lives in an apartment by herself. Maybe it's just me, but I would classify preventing somebody from suffering the kind of isolation-induced mental decline which has been noted and verified for years in different scientific studies as an "essential" or "compassionate" visit.

As others have said, young adults and the elderly in particular are being ignored in this public discourse - as with so many other aspects of Irish policymaking, the focus completely misses the fact that many people in these demographics live alone and are not part of a family unit. Young people who aren't in a cohabiting relationship and have no children, elderly people who are single, widowed and/or have children who have left the nest. Those people will not survive much more of this and some provision needs to be made for including those types of people in the "compassionate grounds" exemptions so that one can call over for a couple of hours and a cup of coffee or tea without feeling like a criminal.

yes. Just take precautions, if you can sit in a backgarden the better or inside all windows open. Ppe if they or you are high risk. Biggest room, chair same one each time, furthest away, bring a flask of tea.etc.

I did the same last night for a friend and will continue to do so.

Otherwise we will be damaging the very people we are meant to be protecting and the reaction to this disease will not be worth it. I think the government have forgotten this.
Compassionate visits exempted remember that line.

Stone Deaf 4evr wrote: »

Whats the proven alternative so Tony? you have to imagine with, say 50% compliance, it still make a difference vs everyone going about their days as normal?

At this stage I'm afraid I think we're heading for some sort of a lockdown eventually anyway, so I'd rather do it sooner than later. Bigger impact, less time needed.
That was the lesson from March.

They're giving this a go because it's ostensibly a freebie. Little or no impact on the economy.

You're right though, it will have some impact. It just seems to be negligible in Scotland.