Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

An Ciarraioch · 14-10-2020 09:43PM

Interesting article (albeit in French), suggesting that 70% of covid transmission is due to aerosols created by people speaking, singing, etc, and that masks are the most effective inhibitor. Of course, you then ask why the second wave has occurred despite it being mandatory in shops, and the article then states that they should be permanently worn in all indoor settings where social distancing is impossible, such as cramped accommodation, and that clear ventilation is essential:

https://www.letemps.ch/sciences/coronavirus-limportance-aerosols-revue-hausse

statesaver · 14-10-2020 09:44PM

Jeff2 wrote: »

Don't if true but.

https://twitter.com/laoneill111/status/1316009532796018690?s=09

A bank predicts it so must be true. They wouldn't lie would they

Spanish Eyes · 14-10-2020 09:44PM

Humour will get us through this in true Irish fashion.

It's the only way now, nothing else is working AFAIS.

Father Hernandez · 14-10-2020 09:44PM

Journalist: Is Halloween cancelled as of tonight?

MM: "Different", not cancelled. People can't be knocking on doors, " it's not possible, shouldn't happen."

"Less congregation, less engagement."

Unless you're in a school, the sword this govenment will fall on.

Trouser Snake · 14-10-2020 09:44PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Have they considered the possibility of moving the population into the schools?

Would we all fit?

EUREKA!!

Divisadero · 14-10-2020 09:45PM

mcburns07 wrote: »

You're mad if you think we have even 1% of the resources that would be required to police it.

Perhaps but a serious attempt could be made. Especially in high profile cases. That might send a message to some of those on the selfish blockhead spectrum. Not the hardcore of course they won't be supporting our healthcare workers. Only moaning about their rights if they can't get prompt medical attention if they are unfortunate enough to need it. Proper enforcement would also support those of us trying our best and growing increasingly frustrated with the lack of robust enforcement.

For example those protests in Dublin by the anti-lockdown crowd and the anti-facist mob protesting against them. Plenty of Garda resources were available there. Instead of trying to keep both sides apart they shouldn't have been allowed to gather in the first place. Give them a couple of warnings to disperse and if they refuse baton charge them off the streets. Same for the BLM crowd or the GAA post match celebrations. Large crowds aren't supposed to gather. If more legislation is required than bring it in on a temporary basis.

Far better use of Garda resources than pissing everyone off with road blocks on the M50 that they can't even enforce.

amadangomor · 14-10-2020 09:45PM

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Does this mean I can no longer go into the office?

Technically I could be classed as an essential worker.

If you can do all your duties from home, yes.

Zebra3 · 14-10-2020 09:45PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Both Sinovac’s vaccine and the Russian Sputnik vaccine are approved for use.
Just because the Guardian refuses to accept the Russians and Chinese got there first doesn’t mean there’s no vaccine.

It looks like they are taking the data from the WHO.

Will you all be lining up for the Chinese or Russian vaccines?

mcburns07 · 14-10-2020 09:45PM

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

We have the fools and plenty of them. Three of them on the tv right now.

No one allowed in your house

Kids in school with 30 - 600 different households

Stay in your own county

Go to work and work with people from 6/10/12 different counties.

No sense to any of these so called restrictions.

As much as I don't fully agree with the restricitions.

Surely you can comprehend the difference between things being essential and frivolous?

Travelling to another county for leisure or visiting friends are things we can live without for a while. Kids need an education.

The fact that visiting other households to have actual face to face social interactions could be considered frivolous is mental but that's 2020 for you.

PsychoPete · 14-10-2020 09:46PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Both Sinovac’s vaccine and the Russian Sputnik vaccine are approved for use.
Just because the Guardian refuses to accept the Russians and Chinese got there first doesn’t mean there’s no vaccine.

There isn't a hope I'd be injecting anything from Russia or China into my body

CoronaBlocker · 14-10-2020 09:46PM

Helpneeded86 wrote: »

My girlfriend lives in another county but only a few miles away realistically. I dont plan on visiting 10 other households. This will be my bubble.

I have pretty much obeyed every other rule but I would prefer that common sense allows me to decide what is ok as opposed to a law telling me it is illegal.

My girlfriend is 11 miles up the road from me and in another county. She's just gone berserk because I suggested holding off going up there for a couple of weekends. I want to obey the rules but I'm going to lose her if I do.

hmmm · 14-10-2020 09:46PM

KaneToad wrote: »

Strange source, no?

Barclays, like most of the big banks, have an equity research department which would have expertise in biotechs/pharma. Their predictions have been discussed over in the vaccine thread.

DrSpongeBobz · 14-10-2020 09:46PM

petes · 14-10-2020 09:46PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

It looks like they are taking the data from the WHO.

Will you all be lining up for the Chinese or Russian vaccines?

So now you've changed tact? Interesting.

Kermit.de.frog · 14-10-2020 09:47PM

Germany ready to act according to the Guardian on new national measures (they are seeing their highest caseloads since March)

The measures Germany takes in the coming days and weeks will be decisive in determining how well the country makes it through the coronavirus pandemic, the chancellor Angela Merkel warned on Wednesday.

“We are already in a phase of exponential growth, the daily numbers show that,” she said after a meeting in which she and the leaders of Germany’s 16 states agreed on tougher measures to control the spread of the virus.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/oct/14/coronavirus-live-news-restrictions-tighten-across-europe-global-cases-near-38m

kenmc · 14-10-2020 09:47PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The situation across Europe is deteriorating now at an increasing pace. Records everywhere, hospitalisations going up everywhere and ICU occupancy as well.

This is looking like less a second wave and more the main event.

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1316461551289802758

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1316428342179045381

Germany heading for their highest case load since March today. 5,800 new cases ad 27 deaths so far.

What's so different in Europe than China, Korea etc? China numbers may be a tad doubtful, fair enough, but Korea doesn't seem to be surging like Europe is. Same hemisphere, so it's not a summer\winter thing. Is it down to civil "obedience" (forced or otherwise) levels between there and here maybe?
Likewise scandanavia doesn't seem to be resurging like Italy, Germany etc unless I missed some. Yet USA states showing the surge again too.... Feckin bizarre

political analyst · 14-10-2020 09:47PM

speckle wrote: »

maybe it was the other way around. Not all HCWs sticking to the rules either even if most are. Not saying that is the case here or laying blame.

But any healthcare worker not wearing PPE at work would be subject to disciplinary action.

Wildsurfer · 14-10-2020 09:47PM

josip wrote: »

Brought my son for a Covid Test this evening at a drive through centre.
The car in front of us was a taxi and it was a passenger in the back getting tested.
What struck me as strange was that for the half hour they were parked waiting to be tested, the 60+ taxi driver remained in the car with his mask on, but the windows up
Perhaps it was a family member in the car with him, but I doubt it since they were sitting in the back.

If I had to bring a family member for a test I'd make them sit as far away from me as possible too!

odyssey06 · 14-10-2020 09:47PM

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

My girlfriend is 11 miles up the road from me and in another county. She's just gone berserk because I suggested holding off going up there for a couple of weekends. I want to obey the rules but I'm going to lose her if I do.

In UK and other places you can form a bubble with one other household... at least you used to.

sterz · 14-10-2020 09:47PM

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Interesting article (albeit in French), suggesting that 70% of covid transmission is due to aerosols created by people speaking, singing, etc, and that masks are the most effective inhibitor. Of course, you then ask why the second wave has occurred despite it being mandatory in shops, and the article then states that they should be permanently worn in all indoor settings where social distancing is impossible, such as cramped accommodation, and that clear ventilation is essential:

https://www.letemps.ch/sciences/coronavirus-limportance-aerosols-revue-hausse

Might be a daft observation but why is it that the person speaking in the Dáil (or wherever) is not wearing a mask yet everyone around that person is wearing one? Surely if anyone was to wear one in that setting it's the speaker?

petes · 14-10-2020 09:47PM

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

My girlfriend is 11 miles up the road from me and in another county. She's just gone berserk because I suggested holding off going up there for a couple of weekends. I want to obey the rules but I'm going to lose her if I do.

Think you've more problems there than a couple of weekends!

Necro · 14-10-2020 09:48PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

It looks like they are taking the data from the WHO.

Will you all be lining up for the Chinese or Russian vaccines?

Are they approved by the European authorities yet? If so..

*Rolls up sleeve*

Pretzill · 14-10-2020 09:48PM

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

My girlfriend is 11 miles up the road from me and in another county. She's just gone berserk because I suggested holding off going up there for a couple of weekends. I want to obey the rules but I'm going to lose her if I do.

You can still meet and follow the restrictions - you'll just have to wrap up and be outside

BringBackMick · 14-10-2020 09:49PM

kenmc wrote: »

What's so different in Europe than China, Korea etc? China numbers may be a tad doubtful, fair enough, but Korea doesn't seem to be surging like Europe is. Same hemisphere, so it's not a summer\winter thing. Is it down to civil "obedience" (forced or otherwise) levels between there and here maybe?
Likewise scandanavia doesn't seem to be resurging like Italy, Germany etc unless I missed some. Yet USA states showing the surge again too.... Feckin bizarre

Lifestyle, they dont meet eachother and spit on eachothers faces with excitement biitching about Bridie and Mary over a few cups of tae.

ChikiChiki · 14-10-2020 09:49PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

When people.say goodbye to Christmas.

What does that mean?

Did you think you would get to go on the 12 pubs with your 20 mates this year?

Bit of perspective.

You can still do all the things you do every Christmas except go to the pub.

Big deal.

Racing Stephens Day, Visiting friends and family, the madness of the last minute shopping. The lovely cosy evenings at the pub in the build up.

It will be some weird Christmas.

Zebra3 · 14-10-2020 09:49PM

petes wrote: »

So now you've changed tact? Interesting.

Nope, I'd consider a vaccine approved by the EMA as something or by the WHO.

I certainly wouldn't be trusting something approved in such undemocratic countries.

Will you be lining up for Russia or China's finest?

GazzaL · 14-10-2020 09:49PM

I know some people get a horn dreaming of banning people from seeing their families, destroying jobs, banning alcohol, and so on but is there any plan to improve our testing response times, contact tracing, hospital and ICU capacity, or does anyone give a bollocks about the only practical means to manage COVID-19?

Father Hernandez · 14-10-2020 09:49PM

Pretzill wrote: »

You can still meet and follow the restrictions - you'll just have to wrap up and be outside

Waheyyyy

Inquitus · 14-10-2020 09:49PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Both Sinovac’s vaccine and the Russian Sputnik vaccine are approved for use.
Just because the Guardian refuses to accept the Russians and Chinese got there first doesn’t mean there’s no vaccine.

Approved because China and Russia never tested them to the West's standards and rushed them out.

Necro · 14-10-2020 09:49PM

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

My girlfriend is 11 miles up the road from me and in another county. She's just gone berserk because I suggested holding off going up there for a couple of weekends. I want to obey the rules but I'm going to lose her if I do.

Can still meet up outside. I suggest a walk in a nearby park or along a beach if possible.

Preferably one with a nice cave out of sight

Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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