Farming Chitchat 10/10- Now VIRUS-FREE!

tanko · 11-10-2020 07:03PM

Looks like an interesting programme starting on BBC4 now

foxy farmer · 11-10-2020 07:22PM

Some hard wirey men around back then. Plenty hard graft. They had no need for gyms and running.

gozunda · 11-10-2020 08:24PM

Talking of programmes- just listened to this on Lyric FM

https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1170614/?__twitter_impression=true

My impression of same? The biggest piece of hippy dippy **** I've heard since Woodstock. And thats been unfair to hippies tbh

The underlying message was that everyone must get down, commune and 'love 'nature by rewilding the countryside, reintroduce wolves, allow farmland to run wild and etc.

Lots of commentary from other similar loved up types living somewhere on planet zog.

Overall an absolute crock of ****e imo but could have been mistaken for a green party manifesto ...

11-10-2020 08:47PM

gozunda wrote: »

could have been mistaken for a green party manifesto ...

One of the producers, unless I'm mistaken had it on his Twitter bio that he is a member of the GP, seems to be gone off it now.

gozunda · 11-10-2020 09:02PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

One of the producers, unless I'm mistaken had it on his Twitter bio that he is a member of the GP, seems to be gone off it now.

Funny thing was the rewilding which was endlessly pushed in the programme detailed the Highlands of Scotland which was held up as a model which we should follow here

Apart from the unmentioned fact that large parts of the Highlands are uninhabited and owned by multi-millionaires targeting carbon capture investments

The programme makers may wish to check out the failed experiment in rewilding which happened in the Netherlands

https://whyy.org/segments/the-netherlands-grand-rewilding-experiment-gone-haywire/

11-10-2020 09:14PM

gozunda wrote: »

Funny thing was the rewilding which was endlessly pushed in the programme detailed the Highlands of Scotland which was held up as a model which we should follow here

Apart from the unmentioned fact that large parts of the Highlands are uninhabited and owned by multi-millionaires targeting carbon capture investments

The programme makers may wish to check out the failed experiment in rewilding which happened in the Netherlands

https://whyy.org/segments/the-netherlands-grand-rewilding-experiment-gone-haywire/

Rewilding would be a thing for the same guy. As for what happened in the Netherlands they would tell you it wasn't true rewilding as the population wasn't regulated by apex predators. That then opens their case for introduction of wolves, lynx etc.

gozunda · 11-10-2020 09:40PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Rewilding would be a thing for the same guy. As for what happened in the Netherlands they would tell you it wasn't true rewilding as the population wasn't regulated by apex predators. That then opens their case for introduction of wolves, lynx etc.

Somehow I cant see our same concerned friends being overjoyed at the reality of wolves predating cute animals such as bambi and friends.

Tbf - I'm quite happy to support rewilding and the reintroduction of predators such as wolves in places otherwise totally deficit in wildlife such as urban areas. I propose that random properties are CPO'd and joined together into suitable reserves. I'm sure Green Party members will be more than willing to support this idea ...

11-10-2020 09:47PM

gozunda wrote: »

Somehow I cant see our same concerned friends being overjoyed at the reality of wolves predating cute animals such as bambi and friends.

Tbf - I'm quite happy to support rewilding and the reintroduction of predators such as wolves in places otherwise totally deficit in wildlife such as urban areas. I propose that random properties are CPO'd and joined together into suitable reserves. I'm sure Green Party members will be more than willing to support this idea ...

They argue that deer numbers could be controlled by wolves. But as I said previously my well connected deer stalking mate says NPWS had 5k stalking applications, and had only processed 2k of them. In other news, totally unrelated, two NPWS rangers were at a rewilding event where I met one of the producers of that programme. So rangers don't set policy, but who else was there I don't know?

It's like a farm meeting I was at just prior the our last election, a very recently retired senior civil servant from Ag was campaigning for a particular candidate of a particular party. My travel companion that evening posed the question, did that sit right with me? I'm still unsure of the answer, I do FEEL uncomfortable about it however which suggests something.

On one hand, do I see a misleading pattern, on the other hand do I see something of concern. I don't know.

longgonesilver · 11-10-2020 09:53PM

Easiest way would be to open the cages and gates in Dublin Zoo and let all the animals roam around the Phoenix Park, live reality TV. Throw in a dozen RTE celebs, it would keep the nation entertained for the next lockdown.

gozunda · 11-10-2020 10:20PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

They argue that deer numbers could be controlled by wolves. But as I said previously my well connected deer stalking mate says NPWS had 5k stalking applications, and had only processed 2k of them. In other news, totally unrelated, two NPWS rangers were at a rewilding event where I met one of the producers of that programme. So rangers don't set policy, but who else was there I don't know?

It's like a farm meeting I was at just prior the our last election, a very recently retired senior civil servant from Ag was campaigning for a particular candidate of a particular party. My travel companion that evening posed the question, did that sit right with me? I'm still unsure of the answer, I do FEEL uncomfortable about it however which suggests something.

On one hand, do I see a misleading pattern, on the other hand do I see something of concern. I don't know.

Some of those possibly do. But considing the screamfest which ensued over the reduction of deer numbers in the Phoenix Park - the reality of wolves taking down live deer will likely face similar reactions as other forms of wildlife controls do.

I'd sceptically suggest the current 'rewilding' is more about targeting animal farming and less about any rebalance of nature

Base price · 12-10-2020 02:30AM

We had a cow that was off on Friday and tbh it stumped OH and I as to what was up with her. She didn't come to the trough (trock

) for a nip of meal. She wasn't showing any symptoms other than drooling/slobbering. We brought her into the yard and I took her temperature and it was OK. We checked her mouth to see if she had a abscess/broken tooth . We let her back out to the field.

Saturday morning she was worse with her sides empty. Phoned our Vet and after she examined her she said it was Fog Fever and to keep her off that field and on hay for the week. Vet gave her intravenous injections and left us injections to give her.
Our Vet said that she had come across a few cases of Fog Fever in the last couple of weeks.

gozunda · 12-10-2020 08:28AM

Base price wrote: »

We had a cow that was off on Friday and tbh it stumped OH and I as to what was up with her. She didn't come to the trough (trock ) for a nip of meal. She wasn't showing any symptoms other than drooling/slobbering. We brought her into the yard and I took her temperature and it was OK. We checked her mouth to see if she had a abscess/broken tooth . We let her back out to the field.

Saturday morning she was worse with her sides empty. Phoned our Vet and after she examined her she said it was Fog Fever and to keep her off that field and on hay for the week. Vet gave her intravenous injections and left us injections to give her.
Our Vet said that she had come across a few cases of Fog Fever in the last couple of weeks.

Did the cow have a change of feed or anything Base?

_Brian · 12-10-2020 08:52AM

Base price wrote: »

We had a cow that was off on Friday and tbh it stumped OH and I as to what was up with her. She didn't come to the trough (trock ) for a nip of meal. She wasn't showing any symptoms other than drooling/slobbering. We brought her into the yard and I took her temperature and it was OK. We checked her mouth to see if she had a abscess/broken tooth . We let her back out to the field.

Saturday morning she was worse with her sides empty. Phoned our Vet and after she examined her she said it was Fog Fever and to keep her off that field and on hay for the week. Vet gave her intravenous injections and left us injections to give her.
Our Vet said that she had come across a few cases of Fog Fever in the last couple of weeks.

I had to google it. Something I’d never heard of before.

Base price · 12-10-2020 10:59AM

gozunda wrote: »

Did the cow have a change of feed or anything Base?

She was bought in earlier that week so we reckon she was on bare ground.

Water John · 12-10-2020 05:18PM

I see John Fogarty gets PP. If he's the guy I used to know, an absolute gentleman and wish him well on the venture.
https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/an-bord-pleanala-approval-for-tipperary-solar-farm/

Water John · 12-10-2020 08:08PM

Ch 4 showing US intensive farming ATM.

Dinzee Conlee · 12-10-2020 08:27PM

Water John wrote: »

I see John Fogarty gets PP. If he's the guy I used to know, an absolute gentleman and wish him well on the venture.
https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/an-bord-pleanala-approval-for-tipperary-solar-farm/

A solar farm on 8.3ha, that’s about 20acres...
I was under the mistaken impression that all solar farms had to be big, 100+ acre sites...
I’d be more in favour of smaller ones like this...

Water John · 12-10-2020 08:33PM

The vast majority in number terms are just 5Mw, that's 25 acres. This was thought to be a possibly dividing line in scale in terms of Power Purchase Agreement (PPA). Also was a reasonable size to connect to a local substation on the distribution grid.

NcdJd · 12-10-2020 08:33PM

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

A solar farm on 8.3ha, that’s about 20acres...
I was under the mistaken impression that all solar farms had to be big, 100+ acre sites...
I’d be more in favour of smaller ones like this...

Is it just one field or multiple fields ? Do they have to lay the panels within existing field boundaries Dinzee?

Sorry don't think I'm been clear in my question, can they basically rip out all the field boundary hedgerows to make one field for the panels.

Dinzee Conlee · 12-10-2020 08:37PM

NcdJd wrote: »

Is it just one field or multiple fields ? Do they have to lay the panels within existing field boundaries Dinzee?

Jaysus I haven’t a clue JD

I imagine they would have to leave the existing field boundaries, and so lay the panels within the existing fields...
But I don’t know that for certain...

NcdJd · 12-10-2020 08:47PM

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

Jaysus I haven’t a clue JD

I imagine they would have to leave the existing field boundaries, and so lay the panels within the existing fields...
But I don’t know that for certain...

Nice number now for someone doing maintainence on that type of setup. I'm sure ther needs to be things like strimming, hedgecutting etc carried out.

gozunda · 12-10-2020 08:51PM

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

Jaysus I haven’t a clue JD

I imagine they would have to leave the existing field boundaries, and so lay the panels within the existing fields...
But I don’t know that for certain...

Problem with these developments retaining field boundaries - is that it will drastically cut down usable area due to shade from surrounding trees and bushes as the Sun moves from east to west during the day.

I can't see existing boundaries being retained tbh.

NcdJd · 12-10-2020 09:07PM

gozunda wrote: »

Problem with these developments retaining field boundaries - is that it will drastically cut down usable area due to shade from surrounding trees and bushes as the Sun moves from east to west during the day.

I can't see existing boundaries being retained tbh.

Must have a look into the documents on one of these developments when I get some time. Interesting to see if this is the case. I'm always suspicious of green energy, and how green it actually is.

Dinzee Conlee · 12-10-2020 09:39PM

NcdJd wrote: »

Nice number now for someone doing maintainence on that type of setup. I'm sure ther needs to be things like strimming, hedgecutting etc carried out.

I have heard, but I don’t know reliable this is....
Anyways - I heard there is an extra payment if you manage the undergrowth yourself.... this would be sheep grazing under the panels...

NcdJd · 12-10-2020 09:46PM

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

I have heard, but I don’t know reliable this is....
Anyways - I heard there is an extra payment if you manage the undergrowth yourself.... this would be sheep grazing under the panels...

Could you imagine trying to count them when half of them are hiding under a panel somewhere.

I can imagine looking in between the rows of panels and seeing a flash of white. Was that a sheep or the light?

longgonesilver · 12-10-2020 10:00PM

With a security fence around them and CCTV they could be the securest sheep in the country. Would they jump up on the panels? Big part of maintenance could be washing the panels.

Hard Knocks · 12-10-2020 10:06PM

longgonesilver wrote: »

With a security fence around them and CCTV they could be the securest sheep in the country. Would they jump up on the panels? Big part of maintenance could be washing the panels.

Sure it’s Ireland we get enough rain to sort that

Water John · 12-10-2020 10:13PM

Don't know on the fences but trees would be out. The panels usually go from 5 ft to 12 ft. Sheep would be the grazers. Some panels coming have both sides working. New material showing good prospects of much higher energy yield peroskovite.

longgonesilver · 12-10-2020 10:13PM

That's the problem will they not turn green in time?

NcdJd · 12-10-2020 10:17PM

Had to get the number off the oil filter of the neighbours tractor this evening and the number was underneath and a loader in the way so was awkward. Heard this scratching noise behind me and thought it was a rat in the spud box. Turns out it was this fella. Just sat there and stared at me. Eamon Ryan's rewilding has started people. Be careful out there.

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