Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 10-10-2020 03:08PM

hetuzozaho wrote: »

How much is the average pub paying now?

Depends on turnover. I know my local which isn’t even the biggest pub in the village paid around 50/60k. I’ve read of licences being in the hundreds of thousands though. At some stage the pub trade just won’t be viable in the countryside which will absolutely kill everything outside the cities.

I suppose that’s the plan.

hetuzozaho · 10-10-2020 03:16PM

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Depends on turnover. I know my local which isn’t even the biggest pub in the village paid around 50/60k. I’ve read of licences being in the hundreds of thousands though. At some stage the pub trade just won’t be viable in the countryside which will absolutely kill everything outside the cities.

I suppose that’s the plan.

So its a once off payment? That doesn't go the government?

Why would they be trying to kill pubs?

This is it · 10-10-2020 03:17PM

Hunky Monster wrote: »

I think the gov will use this whole thing to finally end the pub culture we have here. Can see the cost of a pub licence go bananas after this. They’re secretly delighted the pubs are on their knees and will make sure they stay there after all this.

Those that are left unemployed can go into the tinfoil hat making business. Reading your post, and likes, they'll make a fortune.

The White Wolf · 10-10-2020 03:19PM

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

It might help with the workloads in hospitals every night.

I wouldn't think so. If people aren't congregating in one central place to have their meltdowns they'll do it in any number of house parties which means stretching our emergency services. Closing down a building isn't going to end our "problem" with drinking or alleviate pressure on A&E.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 10-10-2020 03:27PM

This is it wrote: »

Those that are left unemployed can go into the tinfoil hat making business. Reading your post, and likes, they'll make a fortune.

Standard tin foil hat response as usual.

Wait and see what happens. Wait and see.

L1011 · 10-10-2020 03:32PM

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Depends on turnover. I know my local which isn’t even the biggest pub in the village paid around 50/60k. I’ve read of licences being in the hundreds of thousands though. At some stage the pub trade just won’t be viable in the countryside which will absolutely kill everything outside the cities.

I suppose that’s the plan.

The cost of buying a licence is not connected to turnover; the cost of renewal is

A licence to buy is about 55k currently. The main buyers are the two German supermarket chains as they use pub licences to convert to off-licence licences. As do new hotels. This money goes to the person selling it.

No new licences have been created since 1902, we're still running down the stock of what was there then

Renewal is €250-€3805 a year depending on turnover; but is free this year regardless of whatever you did manage to make.

This is it · 10-10-2020 03:39PM

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Standard tin foil hat response as usual.

Wait and see what happens. Wait and see.

If the shoe fits.

hetuzozaho · 10-10-2020 03:42PM

L1011 wrote: »

The cost of buying a licence is not connected to turnover; the cost of renewal is

A licence to buy is about 55k currently. The main buyers are the two German supermarket chains as they use pub licences to convert to off-licence licences. As do new hotels. This money goes to the person selling it.

No new licences have been created since 1902, we're still running down the stock of what was there then

Renewal is €250-€3805 a year depending on turnover; but is free this year regardless of whatever you did manage to make.

Ah interesting.

So what did you mean Hunky, why do you see the price of one going Bananas?

MrStuffins · 10-10-2020 05:12PM

Hunky Monster wrote: »

I think the gov will use this whole thing to finally end the pub culture we have here........

Dude, didn't you used to be in a cult?

This constant conspiracy stuff can't be good for your mental health. Not trying to be smart but maybe you should take a break from the internet for a while.

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Wait and see what happens. Wait and see.

Funny, you said the same thing about the Govt. putting the food rules in place so that pubs who didn't want to sell food could never open again.

Within days I was drinking a pint without having to order food. You were wrong there pal!

Scoondal · 10-10-2020 05:23PM

People are starting to realise that pubs are overcharging for a pint of lager that might cost 50 cents to produce and deliver.
I actually like drinking and smoking in my own house without having to talk ****e to some random person in a pub.

ShooterSF · 10-10-2020 06:05PM

Scoondal wrote: »

People are starting to realise that pubs are overcharging for a pint of lager that might cost 50 cents to produce and deliver.
I actually like drinking and smoking in my own house without having to talk ****e to some random person in a pub.

I never understood this mentality. Sure go and buy a pub then, undercut the competition and make a fortune of the still massive profits out there. Or if you can tell me where to go to buy kegs at 50c a pint (That's a bout 44 euro for a keg) I do it myself.

IAMAMORON · 10-10-2020 06:17PM

Scoondal wrote: »

I actually like drinking and smoking in my own house without having to talk ****e to some random person in a pub.

It figures. This is your time, enjoy.

AUDI20 · 10-10-2020 07:00PM

hetuzozaho wrote: »

Ah interesting.

So what did you mean Hunky, why do you see the price of one going Bananas?

Because as usual he hasn't a clue what he's talking about.

Galwayguy35 · 10-10-2020 07:16PM

Scoondal wrote: »

People are starting to realise that pubs are overcharging for a pint of lager that might cost 50 cents to produce and deliver.
I actually like drinking and smoking in my own house without having to talk ****e to some random person in a pub.

Its true giving €6 for a pint is robbery but Guinness from a can just isn't the same for me as a nice cool pint from the tap in a pub.

PTH2009 · 10-10-2020 07:23PM

so the pubs will make the numbers rise ?? oh wait

weldoninhio · 10-10-2020 07:23PM

Scoondal wrote: »

People are starting to realise that pubs are overcharging for a pint of lager that might cost 50 cents to produce and deliver.
I actually like drinking and smoking in my own house without having to talk ****e to some random person in a pub.

What was stopping you do that anytime since you got your own house???

RocketRaccoon · 10-10-2020 08:25PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

What was stopping you do that anytime since you got your own house???

The cans must be flowing already John

Mrs OBumble · 10-10-2020 10:24PM

hetuzozaho wrote: »

Given the pubs were closed 3 days after social distancing initially came in, if you're looking for causes of early clusters, the supermarkets are a no-brainer.

Yet the supermarket staff didn't drop like flies. (Which is one of the possibilities that any decent government pandemic contingency plan will have covered.)

Neither did the bank staff. Or the bus drivers.

Suckit · 10-10-2020 11:35PM

MOH wrote: »

I'll agree with you that some pubs during Cheltenham were wedged and definitely contributed. As did all the people returning from Cheltenham, which even at the time clearly should never have been held. But that last sentence is totally untrue.

I was in one pub on Thursday 12th where people were starting to be a bit wary and generally keep their distance, and two on Friday 13th which were very subdued compared to normal numbers and everyone was being a lot more careful. So clearly even by then a lot of people were not going out and many of those who were were being very careful (notwithstanding Temple Bar but that frankly I wouldn't consider anything there a pub anyway).

On the other hand, the panic buying started in earnest on Thursday March 12th and supermarkets were absolutely wedged for the next week until limits and queueing had to be introduced because people were showing zero common sense.( You could probably have opened the pubs quite safely since I'm not sure there was anyone left who wasn't either barricaded at home or crushed in a shop).

But the people in the supermarkets weren't sitting for any length of time with each other and passing the same items around. In fact I think I remember reading a study that had found no traces of covid in the supermarkets.
There were people panic buying, and probably many of the same people that are now telling us it's all BS, but they were only going into the supermarkets, clearing the shelves and getting out again.
My first venture to the supermarkets back then was in the evening times and no mask, but plenty of hand wash/antibacterial spray.
A lot of things contributed back then, but the most was probably the people that sat in groups for long lengths of time with each other and other groups beside them.

I didn't agree with non food pubs being closed when other pubs were open, but understand it was a loophole that was exploited when they were trying to slow it down. Had that loophole not been found, the government possibly would have opened all the pubs at the same time at another date.

The same people that are complaining about things being closed are often the reason.
The pubs serving food opened and often took the p*ss.

Yyhhuuu · 11-10-2020 01:23AM

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Yet the supermarket staff didn't drop like flies. (Which is one of the possibilities that any decent government pandemic contingency plan will have covered.)

Neither did the bank staff. Or the bus drivers.

I note the lack of social distancing in many supermarkets. No marshalls to ensure rules enforced. A uk city council actually issued an ASBO against several UK supermarkets for not policing covid rules. I wonder are Supermarkets now becoming high risk for infection transmission? Absolute and utter rubbish to suggest no Covid in Supermarkets. They are no different to any other enclosed space not well ventilated either where SARS cov 2 is transmitted via droplet or aerosol through respiration.

Dickie10 · 11-10-2020 09:41PM

Can anyone genuinely see pubs open before 2021?

dundalkfc10 · 11-10-2020 09:46PM

Dickie10 wrote: »

Can anyone genuinely see pubs open before 2021?

Going by the crowds in Dundalk Town as I drove through last night at 11PM, plenty of pubs are open and they all couldn't have been outside drinking

Irish Steve · 11-10-2020 09:49PM

Dickie10 wrote: »

Can anyone genuinely see pubs open before 2021?

I will be surprised if they are, between landlords that "massaged" the rules and customers that didn't care about anything other than their pints, the final nail is that it's becoming clear from a number of reports that there have been significant numbers of cases that have originated in pubs.

Pity, because there are times when a group of us used to seriously enjoy a relaxing evening sharing a few pints and the craic after a long day working, but the risks to all of us with the way things are and the way Covid has been spreading, even if they were open now, due to age and other risk factors, we'd be reluctant to go to them.

VeVeX · 11-10-2020 09:56PM

Yyhhuuu wrote: »

I note the lack of social distancing in many supermarkets. No marshalls to ensure rules enforced. A uk city council actually issued an ASBO against several UK supermarkets for not policing covid rules. I wonder are Supermarkets now becoming high risk for infection transmission? Absolute and utter rubbish to suggest no Covid in Supermarkets. They are no different to any other enclosed space not well ventilated either where SARS cov 2 is transmitted via droplet or aerosol through respiration.

My observational data suggests there are no covid19 issues in the supermarkets I shop. The regular staff have been there all through the pandemic and continue to be present during the casedemic.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/supermarket-staff-largely-evade-virus-in-ireland-zs2wbb9xr

weldoninhio · 11-10-2020 10:00PM

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Yet the supermarket staff didn't drop like flies. (Which is one of the possibilities that any decent government pandemic contingency plan will have covered.)

Neither did the bank staff. Or the bus drivers.

Nor bus passengers when buses were still rammed with people. Windows closed. No masks.

VeVeX · 11-10-2020 10:04PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Nor bus passengers when buses were still rammed with people. Windows closed. No masks.

The statistics might suggest that if you can get on a bus you've more chance of perishing on said bus than dying of Covid19.

MrStuffins · 11-10-2020 10:07PM

VeVeX wrote: »

The statistics might suggest that if you can get on a bus you've more chance of perishing on said bus than dying of Covid19.

Bus passenger deaths in 2020 v Covid deaths in 2020. I wonder which is higher?

Suckit · 11-10-2020 10:09PM

Yyhhuuu wrote: »

I note the lack of social distancing in many supermarkets. No marshalls to ensure rules enforced. A uk city council actually issued an ASBO against several UK supermarkets for not policing covid rules. I wonder are Supermarkets now becoming high risk for infection transmission? Absolute and utter rubbish to suggest no Covid in Supermarkets. They are no different to any other enclosed space not well ventilated either where SARS cov 2 is transmitted via droplet or aerosol through respiration.

Unlikely that supermarkets are going to be high risk, as people don't tend to sit down inside them in groups for at least an hour at a time.

Irish Steve wrote: »

I will be surprised if they are, between landlords that "massaged" the rules and customers that didn't care about anything other than their pints, the final nail is that it's becoming clear from a number of reports that there have been significant numbers of cases that have originated in pubs.

Pity, because there are times when a group of us used to seriously enjoy a relaxing evening sharing a few pints and the craic after a long day working, but the risks to all of us with the way things are and the way Covid has been spreading, even if they were open now, due to age and other risk factors, we'd be reluctant to go to them.

If pubs had started barring people that were taking the p*ss as quickly as they did when things were normal, then maybe they could have stayed open.

But it genuinely seems as though a lot of the pubs that were given an inch, took a mile.
Lock-ins, ignoring restrictions etc.
They should have been told from the start that they would be made accountable and could even have their licences suspended or removed.
Some sort of strike system could have even been implemented.
I saw a comment somewhere here during the summer about having covid police, I have since warmed to the idea and think if done correctly it could help on many levels.

VeVeX · 11-10-2020 10:13PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

Bus passenger deaths in 2020 v Covid deaths in 2020. I wonder which is higher?

How many of the people who died of Covid19 were well enough to use public transport prior to infection?

MrStuffins · 11-10-2020 10:15PM

VeVeX wrote: »

How many of the people who died of Covid19 were well enough to use public transport prior to infection?

Lol...... wut?

Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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