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Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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  • #5972
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,145 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    What do you think exponential is?

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    Icu numbers, icu. The original post was about icu numbers, why are you showing a graph of hospital admissions i don't know.


  • #5973
    B.A._Baracus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,306 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    I'm a bit perplexed by some comments on here :p
    The "hold on 7 days sure it will be bumpy" comments. It's like you're absolutely getting shelled out of it by the enemy and someone is saying "hold on... Steady" lol.


  • #5974
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,145 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    eagle eye wrote: »
    This is a nothing statement. It makes no sense.

    At least you know how we feel now about your posts.


  • #5975
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,414 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Irish Steve wrote: »
    OK, now I have heard all I need from you to know that you are the problem, as you seem to think you can carry on as if nothing is happening around you, and you refuse to accept and acknowledge that life has massively changed for a short period of time for all of us as a direct result of the arrival of a new pandemic called Covid 19.

    So be it, and unfortunately, there are too many other people like you that are denying that there has to be massive change for a short period of our lives.

    Just to clarify things.

    IF IT HAPPENS, CURFEW IS NOT ABOUT ME LIVING TO 95, IT'S ABOUT ALL OF US DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO PREVENTING COVID KILLING A LARGER NUMBER OF PEOPLE OF ALL AGES AS A RESULT OF THE HEALTH SERVICE BEING OVERWHELMED AND BEING UNABLE TO ADEQUATELY TREAT BOTH COVID AND NON COVID PATIENTS AS A RESULT OF A SHORTAGE OF BEDS AND A SHORTAGE OF STAFF WELL ENOUGH TO TREAT THOSE PATIENTS.

    I too don't like the things we have to do to stay safe, I don't want to be spending money on masks, sanitiser, gloves etc.

    I like even less that I've not been able to see some of my family for over 9 months.

    I don't like that we can't give our grand children the hugs and friendship and attention that they are used to and are wanting to give us.

    I don't like that we were unable to attend a wedding of a very close friend because of the limits on numbers.

    I don't like that we can't attend things like music concerts.

    I don't like that we can't have a meal out with a few friends, maybe to celebrate a special occasion.

    I don't like that I can't have a relaxing drink in a local pub with a few friends after an event that we've all been part of.

    I don't like that a huge number of events we were supposed to be part of this year have been cancelled and may not now ever happen.

    I don't like that I have to be very careful about what I touch when I am out of the house, as I have no way of knowing who else has been touching the same thing.

    I don't like that Covid is revealing just how fractured society has become, and how brutal the effects of Covid have already been on some groups in our supposedly caring society.

    I don't like that there are too many ignorant slobs that dump their masks and other protections on the ground or in the supermarket trolly after they've been used.

    There are plenty of other things I could add to the list above, but given what I'm hearing about the way Covid is spreading at the moment, wether I like it or not is irrelevant.

    As a caring society, which most of us were the last time I checked, we ALL have to do a hell of a lot more to prevent Covid killing signifcantly more OF ALL AGES than it has so far, and to help reduce the workload on hospitals that will struggle to deal with their normal work load if overloaded by covid.

    And yes, I am repeating myself, in the forlorn hope that it might actually get through to you and others that seem to be unable to accept that "normal" can't happen for quite some time to come.

    I also don't like the longer term financial and mental health implications of what has been happening, and what's coming yet before things can start returning to something approaching a normal life.

    Curfew is a better alternative to closing even more of the economy down, we need to keep as much of the economy going as possible, to avoid even bigger problems for a larger number of people.

    You are not "being imprisoned", and certainly not by me, you are possibly going to be expected to stay at home for 8 hours a day, and for most of those hours, if you are anything like normal, you will be asleep anyway.

    If it happens, it will because people who DO have a better understanding of how to limit the damage that Covid is doing have decided that they have no choice left if they want to limit the problems that Covid is causing.

    Curfew is nothing new, it has been used in (among other places) Melbourne, and they are now at last seeing the result of the hard actions they have taken.

    And in closing, given your recent hostility towards me in multiple posts from you, I will be adding you to my ignore list in a few moments, your verbal diarrhoea of posts that are almost exclusively in the Covid section over the last few months have said nothing that I want to hear, and I have neither the time or interest to read the all of the massive volume of posts that are arriving in this thread.

    Thank you for this post, bang on !
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    Hit the switch to keep the lights on.



  • #5976
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,971 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    niallo27 wrote:
    At least you know how we feel now about your posts.
    Trying to get away from your nothing comment by attacking the poster.
    Good man.


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  • #5977
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,145 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Trying to get away from your nothing comment by attacking the poster.
    Good man.

    Ok, apologies was just a joke. Icu numbers are not rising exponentially.


  • #5978
    440Hertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 651 ✭✭✭440Hertz


    I’d just add, if the health system can’t function and you under 95 year olds have a heart attack, fall off your bike, break a leg, get cancer or anything else (including COVID) it also won’t be able to treat you very easily it’s it’s constantly overwhelmed.


    Suggesting that we can just stick our fingers in our ears, and say “la la la la! Everything is fine!” won’t make COVID go away.

    The unfortunate reality is it’s here and we have to manage it, at least until we have a viable technical solution to it.


  • #5979
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,245 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    B.A._Baracus wrote: »
    I'm a bit perplexed by some comments on here :p
    The "hold on 7 days sure it will be bumpy" comments. It's like you're absolutely getting shelled out of it by the enemy and someone is saying "hold on... Steady" lol.

    Because the counter measures have already been taken, the enemy is dealing with a broken supply line and you know they will be low on supply soon


  • #5980
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,962 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Adjusting the axis of a graph to show “exponential growth” is a common tactic on here :D


  • #5981
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,336 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    It's in the data, take a look at the dashboard which shows daily admission numbers.

    There is currently 116 all ready admitted to hospital with suspected Covid.

    Back in June and July the vast vast majority of these would have returned a negative test.

    Like back in March and April, people are now requiring hospitalization because of the effects of Covid and are showing up without having been tested.

    The shure be grand Irish mentality, I'll ride it out.

    But you have highlighted something very important, internal spread in hospitals, that is not a good thing for obvious reasons.

    It's not a new phenomenon and would be factored into to public health recommendations.


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  • #5982
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Icu numbers, icu. The original post was about icu numbers, why are you showing a graph of hospital admissions i don't know.

    Sorry Niall, good point. I read wrong sorry. ICU numbers are a function of hospital numbers so if hospitalisations are rising exponentially I'd expect ICU to rise exponetially 5 days later.

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  • #5983
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,336 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    Do you think there was no need for level 3 restrictions so?

    I think the majority of the 5 level system is a load of bollix.

    We had months to setup proper surveillance and 3-4 months to implement it, we didn't do it.

    Hopefully we learn from all this and apply it before the start of Wave 3.


  • #5984
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,441 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    Sounds like a family business.

    I have three siblings , two in laws and 7 nieces and nephews who were or are teachers . Three of the nieces are married to teachers ! Its not a business but their choices !
    I have four first cousins who are doctors or nurses and had three aunts who were nurses . We have a very large family and teaching and medicine runs through it


  • #5985
    nacho libre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,716 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Would anyone like to hazard a guess as to what the true figure is for the number of Irish people that have contracted the virus?

    Also, if level 3 restrictions work nationally, is Tony's credibility then called into question.


  • #5986
    Multipass
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    Boggles wrote: »
    There is currently 116 all ready admitted to hospital with suspected Covid.

    Back in June and July the vast vast majority of these would have returned a negative test.

    Like back in March and April, people are now requiring hospitalization because of the effects of Covid and are showing up without having been tested.

    The shure be grand Irish mentality, I'll ride it out.

    But you have highlighted something very important, internal spread in hospitals, that is not a good thing for obvious reasons.

    It's not a new phenomenon and would be factored into to public health recommendations.

    But do we know that those 116 people have been admitted because of Covid? Or were they admitted for a surgery and tested positive on admission? Or were they already in hospital when they caught covid?
    The figures don’t show the number of people actually ill from the virus.


  • #5987
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,336 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Adjusting the axis of a graph to show “exponential growth” is a common tactic on here :D

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114656214&postcount=6488
    ACitizenErased wrote:
    Exponential growth = 33% more cases per day than the previous day.

    It has to be adjusted by a third.

    :)


  • #5988
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,145 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Sorry Niall, good point. I read wrong sorry. ICU numbers are a function of hospital numbers so if hospitalisations are rising exponentially I'd expect ICU to rise exponetially 5 days later.

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    Apology accepted. We all get things wrong.


  • #5989
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,336 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    nacho libre wrote: »
    Also, if level 3 restrictions work nationally, is Tony's credibility then called into question.

    Why would Tony's credibility be called into question? It all ready has by the way.

    But Tony doesn't make the decisions, NPHET is not Tony.


  • #5990
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,971 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    niallo27 wrote:
    Ok, apologies was just a joke. Icu numbers are not rising exponentially.
    If we have a curve then the numbers are exponential not linear.


  • #5991
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,145 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Boggles wrote: »
    Why would Tony's credibility be called into question? It all ready has by the way.

    But Tony doesn't make the decisions, NPHET is not Tony.

    Ah cmon, Thursday nphet say level 2 is ok in 24 counties, Tony comes back and its level 5 for 26 counties. Its pretty clear who is running the show.


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  • #5992
    cadaliac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,904 ✭✭✭cadaliac


    Boggles wrote: »

    We had months to setup proper surveillance and 3-4 months to implement it, we didn't do it.

    ......

    Can you elaborate here? Genuinely like to see how it should have been done any differently versus what actually happened.


  • #5993
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,287 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    eagle eye wrote: »
    That link doesn't show a downward trend, it shows a slowing in increase but still going upwards.

    There were less cases in Dublin in the last 7 days than the 7 days previous and the 7 days previous to that.

    How does that equal an increase?


  • #5994
    nacho libre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,716 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Boggles wrote: »
    Why would Tony's credibility be called into question? It all ready has by the way.

    But Tony doesn't make the decisions, NPHET is not Tony.

    He has a major input though as CMO, and it was he who was seen to be pushing for level 5 restrictions. Though, i take your point, he alone does not make the decisions.


  • #5995
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,962 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    normanoffside wrote: »
    There were less cases in Dublin in the last 7 days than the 7 days previous and the 7 days previous to that.

    How does that equal an increase?

    Some people will continue to deny even when presented with the numbers, it’s almost like they don’t want level 3 to work. Bizarre tbh.


  • #5996
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,336 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Ah cmon, Thursday nphet say level 2 is ok in 24 counties, Tony comes back and its level 5 for 26 counties. Its pretty clear who is running the show.

    You are ignoring the rapid deterioration that occurred and is still occurring on the whole island.


  • #5997
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,145 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Boggles wrote: »
    You are ignoring the rapid deterioration that occurred and is still occurring on the whole island.

    In 3 days, we went up a whole 3 levels.


  • #5998
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,762 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Boggles wrote: »
    There is currently 116 all ready admitted to hospital with suspected Covid.

    Back in June and July the vast vast majority of these would have returned a negative test.

    Like back in March and April, people are now requiring hospitalization because of the effects of Covid and are showing up without having been tested.

    The shure be grand Irish mentality, I'll ride it out.

    But you have highlighted something very important, internal spread in hospitals, that is not a good thing for obvious reasons.

    It's not a new phenomenon and would be factored into to public health recommendations.

    Regardless, its net -3 admissions in 24hrs yet numbers gone up.

    That quite clearly suggests already admitted paitents contracting infection in a hosptial setting. Cavan for example has shot up in the last few days. Quite clearly as issue. Is suspected cases were and still are low so its already admitted patients you can assume with a high degree of confidence


  • #5999
    US2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭US2


    eagle eye wrote: »
    If we have a curve then the numbers are exponential not linear.

    Please get a dictionary and look up the word exponential.


  • #6000
    smellyoldboot
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,073 ✭✭✭smellyoldboot


    patnor1011 wrote: »
    Lol then by your logic we need much less than that. Only enough for lockdown brigade. Other people houses are other people problems, right?

    No, but we pay taxes to the state in expectation that the state in turn puts its own citizens welfare first and foremost. I find the "global citizen" viewpoint childish and silly. Fcuk what anyone else is doing or thinks quite frankly, other countries are of interest only in so far as how they can be useful to aiding your own citizens.


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  • #6001
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,971 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    niallo27 wrote:
    Ah cmon, Thursday nphet say level 2 is ok in 24 counties, Tony comes back and its level 5 for 26 counties. Its pretty clear who is running the show.
    It's entirely possible they had no leadership and were being leaned on by the government. Tony returns and they have somebody who'll stand up and be counted and they are not afraid to give their recommendations.


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