FBI Thwarts Plot by Militia(s) to Kidnap, Try, Execute Gov. of Michigan

Overheal · 08-10-2020 8:32pm #1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJZymHL_Wx0

Above,Gov. Whitmer holds a live press conference about WTF happened.

Today the Federal Bureau of Investigation announced that it discovered, monitored and upended a plot to kidnap the Governor of Michigan, Gretchen Whitmer (Democrat)

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1251169217531056130?lang=en

You can read the criminal complaint here: https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=7223362-Michigan-Kidnapping-Conspiracy

The FBI has named and is charging "Adam FOX, Barry CROFT, Ty GARBIN, Kaleb FRANKS, Daniel HARRIS, and Brandon CASERTA with conspiring to kidnap Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer." Croft is a resident of Deleware, the rest are from Michigan.

Planning according to the charging document went on for months and Ohio was also used as a meeting point. The FBI looked to have finally ended the surveillance when the group planned, yesterday, "to make a payment on explosives and exchange tactical gear." The plan was to use about $4,000 worth of explosives to destroy a bridge that connected to the governors vacation home and escape by boat after kidnapping her, they also had separate access to self made IEDs.

The group romanticized itself as protecting the Bill of Rights and planned to stage a mock trial of the governor for violating the constitution, with many in the group expressing a desire to kill her for treason against the United States.

The FBI has been monitoring the group at least since March. What did the President of the United States know, and when did he know it?

Man with broke phone · 08-10-2020 8:35pm

The FBI are democrats. Proven lying democrats that will try everything they can to pin something on Trump. Nothing sticks. They arnt credible anymore.

James Brown · 08-10-2020 8:37pm

Overheal wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJZymHL_Wx0

Above,Gov. Whitmer holds a live press conference about WTF happened.

Today the Federal Bureau of Investigation announced that it discovered, monitored and upended a plot to kidnap the Governor of Michigan, Gretchen Whitmer (Democrat)

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1251169217531056130?lang=en

You can read the criminal complaint here: https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=7223362-Michigan-Kidnapping-Conspiracy

The FBI has named and is charging "Adam FOX, Barry CROFT, Ty GARBIN, Kaleb FRANKS, Daniel HARRIS, and Brandon CASERTA with conspiring to kidnap Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer." Croft is a resident of Deleware, the rest are from Michigan.

Planning according to the charging document went on for months and Ohio was also used as a meeting point. The FBI looked to have finally ended the surveillance when the group planned, yesterday, "to make a payment on explosives and exchange tactical gear." The plan was to use about $4,000 worth of explosives to destroy a bridge that connected to the governors vacation home and escape by boat after kidnapping her, they also had separate access to self made IEDs.

The group romanticized itself as protecting the Bill of Rights and planned to stage a mock trial of the governor for violating the constitution, with many in the group expressing a desire to kill her for treason against the United States.

The FBI has been monitoring the group at least since March. What did the President of the United States know, and when did he know it?

Little I'd imagine. He throws out such statements and hopes some **** will stick to keep his redneck base happy. Like the Proud Boys being told to stand by etc.

Overheal · 08-10-2020 8:38pm

Bowie wrote: »

Little I'd imagine. He throws out such statements and hopes some **** will stick to keep his redneck base happy. Like the Proud Boys being told to stand by etc.

I can't imagine a kidnapping/assassination plot against a governor was left out of the POTUS' daily security briefings. For 6 months.

Lirange · 08-10-2020 9:04pm

Whitmer is the type of female politician that makes the Trogs from the Manosphere convulse. There has been growing overlap between them and the “Patriot Movement.” So not surprised she was their first target.

Hellotonever · 08-10-2020 10:14pm

Man with broke phone wrote: »

The FBI are democrats. Proven lying democrats that will try everything they can to pin something on Trump. Nothing sticks. They arnt credible anymore.

I honestly think republicanism attracts severe mental illness and paranoid delusions.

Smee_Again · 08-10-2020 10:20pm

Hellotonever wrote: »

I honestly think republicanism attracts severe mental illness and paranoid delusions.

Republicans actively court those people.

Gatling · 08-10-2020 10:25pm

Wonder if this will shine a light on some of the other groups out there ,

Very little difference between a militia group and a terrorist group

degsie · 08-10-2020 10:31pm

Fake news!

banie01 · 08-10-2020 10:34pm

Gatling wrote: »

Very little difference between a militia group and a terrorist group

There's no difference, terrorists are probably quite a bit less cognitively impaired or dissonant though.

dark crystal · 08-10-2020 10:35pm

Man with broke phone wrote: »

The FBI are democrats.

What, all of 'em? Robert Mueller was a registered Republican and Trump still canned him. So was James Comey until Trump canned him too. Maybe they just weren't 'Republican' or sycophantic enough for him. He does love a sycophant.

Proven lying democrats that will try everything they can to pin something on Trump. Nothing sticks. They arnt credible anymore.

The FBI aren't trying to pin anything on Trump here, though. They've charged a militia group for planning to kidnap and execute the Governor of Michigan.

Do you think they're making up these charges or what?

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 08-10-2020 10:39pm

Saying they're a militia is some fcukery of the highest order..

Terror group, plain and simple. I'm pretty sure that this story meets the below standards?

"FBI definition of terrorism: The unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a Government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives."

Harry Palmr · 08-10-2020 10:40pm

Quite, I suspect a dialectic discussion with a proper political terrorist would be much more enlightening than one with your average militia grunt from Bent Elbow, Ohio.

Or wherever!

gmisk · 08-10-2020 10:42pm

degsie wrote: »

Fake news!

Alright Donald calm down keep taking the tablets

Edgware · 08-10-2020 10:42pm

Say it ain't so Krusty

joseywhales · 08-10-2020 10:45pm

That'll teach her for saving the lives of her citizens!

No good deed goes unpunished

Chris_Heilong · 09-10-2020 12:11am

Just Antifa being the bad guys that they are wanting to cause a civil war in the US, Glad they got caught, those violent thugs and those who support them need to be behind bars.

Overheal · 09-10-2020 12:12am

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

Just Antifa being the bad guys that they are wanting to cause a civil war in the US, Glad they got caught, those violent thugs and those who support them need to be behind bars.

you're in the wrong thread mate

Chris_Heilong · 09-10-2020 12:15am

Overheal wrote: »

you're in the wrong thread mate

No, you need to update the original story

These people are not right wing but left wing "Anti Police Anarchists"

mcmoustache · 09-10-2020 12:20am

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

No, you need to update the original story These people are not right wing but left wing "Anti Police Anarchists"

You haven't caught up with this story yet have you?

Overheal · 09-10-2020 12:24am

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

No, you need to update the original story These people are not right wing but left wing "Anti Police Anarchists"

The Boogaloo are another right wing militia movement that has targeted police.

Simply targeting the police is no clear indicator of political bias of the group. I don't see enough information in the charging document to conclude what their affiliation is, however it's worth nothing the Governor they were obsessed with killing for treason etc even across state lines was a Democrat and someone frequently excoriated by the Republican POTUS, with the signaling of the POTUS being that she was criminal and being unconstitutional

Frankly for all we know these are libertarian extremists as well. But there's certainly no evidence here they are Antifa - and if they were, Trump would be roaring it from the back of Air Force One

Chris_Heilong · 09-10-2020 12:27am

You can try twisting it if you want but one of the guys arrest literally has an Anarchist Flag hanging on his wall.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/10/08/suspect-charged-in-gretchen-whitmer-kidnap-plot-had-anarchist-flag-hates-police/

Overheal · 09-10-2020 12:44am

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

You can try twisting it if you want but one of the guys arrest literally has an Anarchist Flag hanging on his wall.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/10/08/suspect-charged-in-gretchen-whitmer-kidnap-plot-had-anarchist-flag-hates-police/

Which means spittle. The symbol has been around since the 1970s and fomented around punk rock.

/Tried to capture and kill a democrat governer

"Yeah but one of the dudes crazy enough to stock up guns armor and explosives has an A-flag"

Stupendous.

JohnnyFlash · 09-10-2020 12:57am

The USA is a broken and sick society. Not sure why this story is particularly worthy of a thread tbh. Fat men with anger issues buy guns. Sums up America to be honest.

thebestwords · 09-10-2020 4:57am

Yeah, anarchistic ideology - anti government, anti police etc.

https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1314326186659545088

https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1314267058339819520

Man with broke phone · 09-10-2020 7:04am

What did I tell you, something stinks over at the FBI. Probably influenced by Russia. They certainly have it in for the leader of the country that funds them.

The guy openly is against Trump but he was a Trump supporter eh?

Headline should read Trump regime police saves his political rivals life.

Gervais08 · 09-10-2020 7:53am

Man with broke phone wrote: »

What did I tell you, something stinks over at the FBI. Probably influenced by Russia. They certainly have it in for the leader of the country that funds them.

The guy openly is against Trump but he was a Trump supporter eh?

Headline should read Trump regime police saves his political rivals life.

Russia??? Who do you think had the orange moron get elected ???

Man with broke phone · 09-10-2020 7:55am

Gervais08 wrote: »

Russia??? Who do you think had the orange moron get elected ???

Democracy?

Gervais08 · 09-10-2020 7:59am

Man with broke phone wrote: »

Democracy?

Oh bless. Google “electoral college” pet.

Akrasia · 09-10-2020 8:14am

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

Just Antifa being the bad guys that they are wanting to cause a civil war in the US, Glad they got caught, those violent thugs and those who support them need to be behind bars.

It’s getting harder and harder to tell the obviously sarcastic posts from the people who think they’re being clever

Man with broke phone · 09-10-2020 8:24am

Gervais08 wrote: »

Oh bless. Google “electoral college” pet.

Google sore losers that wont accept a democratic vote four years on.

Then google liberal hysteria as Trump suggests he wont accept vote if he loses.

Akrasia · 09-10-2020 8:24am

Overheal wrote: »

Which means spittle. The symbol has been around since the 1970s and fomented around punk rock.

/Tried to capture and kill a democrat governer

"Yeah but one of the dudes crazy enough to stock up guns armor and explosives has an A-flag"

Stupendous.

Yep, if the guy has a bookshelf showing Kropotkins ‘The conquest of Bread’ in the background then he might be an anarchist. I doubt very much this fella was motivated by a desire to implement the concept of Mutualism

Akrasia · 09-10-2020 8:30am

thebestwords wrote: »

Yeah, anarchistic ideology - anti government, anti police etc.

https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1314326186659545088

https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1314267058339819520

What’s the other flag supposed to represent? It’s an American flag with the blue stripes removed, a P and 3 stars in the corner

paw patrol · 09-10-2020 8:42am

it's interesting they are blaming the Militia - is there any evidence these guys are part of any Militia
What I see online is these guys are stand alone anarchists not militia (in the organised sense)

The distinction may seem trite to people on boards but in the USA its a huge distinction.

Seems to me initially the governor is using a plot by independent operators to smear organised groups opposed to her.

Fr Tod Umptious · 09-10-2020 8:49am

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

The USA is a broken and sick society. Not sure why this story is particularly worthy of a thread tbh. Fat men with anger issues buy guns. Sums up America to be honest.

No it's not.
It's a huge diverse country with a population of over 300 million.
Things like this, bizzare as it is, do not effect or reflect on 99.9999999% of that 300m population.

Gervais08 · 09-10-2020 8:58am

Man with broke phone wrote: »

Google sore losers that wont accept a democratic vote four years on.

Then google liberal hysteria as Trump suggests he wont accept vote if he loses.

Oh that’s cute you think that’s a barb.

Moghead · 09-10-2020 9:05am

paw patrol wrote: »

it's interesting they are blaming the Militia - is there any evidence these guys are part of any Militia
What I see online is these guys are stand alone anarchists not militia (in the organised sense)

The distinction may seem trite to people on boards but in the USA its a huge distinction.

Seems to me initially the governor is using a plot by independent operators to smear organised groups opposed to her.

Hopefully this will lead to a clamp down on militias in the US. There is no need for them in a modern democracy.

09-10-2020 9:12am

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

You can try twisting it if you want but one of the guys arrest literally has an Anarchist Flag hanging on his wall.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/10/08/suspect-charged-in-gretchen-whitmer-kidnap-plot-had-anarchist-flag-hates-police/

Brietbart is not a reliable source

biko · 09-10-2020 9:19am

Deleted User wrote: »

Brietbart is not a reliable source

What makes you say that?
You do know it was founded by the founder of Huffpost?
Do you trust Huffpost?

Sand · 09-10-2020 9:33am

Honestly, the FBI and the media are reaching for straws here trying to portray this as 'a militia'. It's a bunch of anarchists/antifa, who have spent the last 5 months burning down cities, assaulting/murdering people and targeting politicians. Surprise surprise, they target another politician.

How disheatening must it be for Brandon Caserta. Now matter how hard he tries to embrace his politics, when it comes right down to it all his so called 'allies' see is an angry white male. He has destroyed his life for nothing.

MOH · 09-10-2020 9:40am

Overheal wrote: »

I can't imagine a kidnapping/assassination plot against a governor was left out of the POTUS' daily security briefings. For 6 months.

In fairness, even if it was in Trump's daily security briefing for 6 months, that and Trump actually knowing about it are two very different things with varying degrees of overlap.

Akrasia wrote: »

Yep, if the guy has a bookshelf showing Kropotkins ‘The conquest of Bread’ in the background then he might be an anarchist. I doubt very much this fella was motivated by a desire to implement the concept of Mutualism

Honestly, thanks. I didn't expect expect to get a laugh out of this thread.
And an educational one too!

biko wrote: »

What makes you say that?
You do know it was founded by the founder of Huffpost?
Do you trust Huffpost?

God no. That just makes Breitbart doubly unreliable.

Anyway, didn't all this happen in Person of Interest?

09-10-2020 9:41am

biko wrote: »

What makes you say that?
You do know it was founded by the founder of Huffpost?
Do you trust Huffpost?

Since they openly admitted to spreading lies to support Trump when Steve Bannon was in charge.

Another untrustworthy rag was founded by the same guy. Not a great point. Whataboutism too.

Do you actually believe breitbart will give a balanced and nuanced opinion on anything?

Squeeonline · 09-10-2020 9:45am

biko wrote: »

What makes you say that?
You do know it was founded by the founder of Huffpost?
Do you trust Huffpost?

But that's not completely true. One of the founders of both companies is shared. That does not make them the same, and to equate them is dishonest.

Apropos of nothing, but companies can change regardless of their original founders beliefs, especially when one founder died nearly 10 years ago.

Breitbart is unreliable as a news source, HuffPo isn't the best source out there, but it is better, has more integrity and journalistic ethics.

Lillyfae · 09-10-2020 9:57am

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

The USA is a broken and sick society. Not sure why this story is particularly worthy of a thread tbh. Fat men with anger issues buy guns. Sums up America to be honest.

Wholeheartedly agree

toffee dave · 09-10-2020 10:07am

Akrasia wrote: »

What’s the other flag supposed to represent? It’s an American flag with the blue stripes removed, a P and 3 stars in the corner

Periphery a metal band from Washington,that is one of their merchandise flags.

toffee dave · 09-10-2020 10:12am

Overheal wrote: »

Which means spittle. The symbol has been around since the 1970s and fomented around punk rock.

/Tried to capture and kill a democrat governer

"Yeah but one of the dudes crazy enough to stock up guns armor and explosives has an A-flag"

Stupendous.

The Circle-A symbol goes back much earlier then the 70s punk movement.

Sand · 09-10-2020 10:16am

toffee dave wrote: »

The Circle-A symbol goes back much earlier then the 70s punk movement.

And in any case, we have the guys own anarchist and anti-trump views voiced in his own words so we're not just relying on the flag. Even if there was no flag, there is still enough to disprove the desperate FBI/media narrative of terrorist white militias.

paw patrol · 09-10-2020 10:30am

Moghead wrote: »

Hopefully this will lead to a clamp down on militias in the US. There is no need for them in a modern democracy.

thats where you're wrong.
if covid has thought the people of the USA anything , it's their freedom are very fragile.

They need more militias

WrenBoy · 09-10-2020 10:44am

Moghead wrote: »

Hopefully this will lead to a clamp down on militias in the US. There is no need for them in a modern democracy.

That would go down like the Zeppelin, imagine the optics from the POV of an American.

They already think the Democrats want to take their guns and Defund or Abolish the Police. Rightly or Wrongly, they historically see the militia (not the white supremacist criminal type) as a protection from the Government imposing tyranny on their lives.

Billy Mays · 09-10-2020 10:55am

paw patrol wrote: »

it's interesting they are blaming the Militia - is there any evidence these guys are part of any Militia
What I see online is these guys are stand alone anarchists not militia (in the organised sense)

The distinction may seem trite to people on boards but in the USA its a huge distinction.

Seems to me initially the governor is using a plot by independent operators to smear organised groups opposed to her.

Sand wrote: »

Honestly, the FBI and the media are reaching for straws here trying to portray this as 'a militia'. It's a bunch of anarchists/antifa, who have spent the last 5 months burning down cities, assaulting/murdering people and targeting politicians. Surprise surprise, they target another politician.

How disheatening must it be for Brandon Caserta. Now matter how hard he tries to embrace his politics, when it comes right down to it all his so called 'allies' see is an angry white male. He has destroyed his life for nothing.

7 members of the Wolverine Watchmen militia group charged. Is that proof enough?

Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel said that seven members of an armed group called the Wolverine Watchmen were also facing state charges.

They are suspected of attempting to identify the home addresses of law enforcement officers in order to target them and "instigate a civil war," the attorney general said.

They also planned to attack the capitol building in Lansing and kidnap government officials including Ms Whitmer, she said.

The seven were charged with various offences, including providing material support for terrorist acts, gang membership and firearms violations.

Sand · 09-10-2020 11:17am

Billy Mays wrote: »

7 members of the Wolverine Watchmen militia group charged. Is that proof enough?

No, 'militia' in the US context is commonly used to designate white right wing armed groups. The use of the term here is a deliberate attempt to muddy the waters as the FBI is desperately trying to make white domestic terrorism a thing. I'd say its highly likely the FBI were actually the ones to inspire and organise this plot.

FBI Thwarts Plot by Militia(s) to Kidnap, Try, Execute Gov. of Michigan

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