FBI Thwarts Plot by Militia(s) to Kidnap, Try, Execute Gov. of Michigan

RWCNT

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

Possibly more reliable than the likes of The New York Times or CNN, American news are all very partisan regardless of sides, in this case I used them to find the image that helped prove my statement, regardless of the written content you should trust your eyes.

There are far right people who are extremely anti government that also call themselves anarchists - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National-anarchism, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boogaloo_movement - it's been a thing for a while.

It's a niche position reserved for absolute headers.

Sand

FTA69 wrote: »

This is conspiratorial nonsense. The idea the FBI is trying to bring down Trump because he’s some sort of anti-establishment crusader and all this craic.

That isnt what I said though. Swing and a miss.

Billy Mays wrote: »

Well the director of the FBI, who Trump appointed, testified that it is so you'll forgive me for taking his word over Sand's from the internet

Which say's more about Trump's unique ability to appointment people who undermine him than anything else. Anyway, you don't have to believe me - just view the suspects own video rants and then tell me he is a maga hat wearing good ole boy redneck Trump supporter.

MOH wrote: »

So I'm not really clear on how calling them a "terrorist white militia" can be described as a "desperate narrative"?

When people say right wing militias or white militias, they really mean white racist militias. The FBI and powers that be have been trying to push this meme that there is a seething mass of violent racist white people that need to be dealt with. There isnt, certainly nothing on the scale of Antifa and BLM.

RWCNT

Sand wrote: »

That isnt what I said though. Swing and a miss.



Which say's more about Trump's unique ability to appointment people who undermine him than anything else. Anyway, you don't have to believe me - just view the suspects own video rants and then tell me he is a maga hat wearing good ole boy redneck Trump supporter.



When people say right wing militias or white militias, they really mean white racist militias. The FBI and powers that be have been trying to push this meme that there is a seething mass of violent racist white people that need to be dealt with. There isnt, certainly nothing on the scale of Antifa and BLM.

Who are these other miscellaneous "powers that be"? Also, what do you think the FBI's motivation is for skewing the data to exaggerate the threat of white supremacist terrorism?

Sand

As an aside, I think people believe the FBI crack these 'terrorist' plots by somehow stumbling across a clue and by great detective work tracking down the cell in a race against time. In reality, the FBI setup the plot, recruit the patsys, radicalize them and coerce them to carry out the plot, provide them with the means and then swoop in and arrest them. From the beginning to the end its an FBI plot and the participants are typically damaged or ill people who likely wouldn't have done anything without the FBI pushing them to do so.

They did it to Muslims when it suited the narrative, and now they're doing it to White people because it suits the narrative. You guys may be comfortable with that, but I'm not.

RWCNT

Sand wrote: »

As an aside, I think people believe the FBI crack these 'terrorist' plots by somehow stumbling across a clue and by great detective work tracking down the cell in a race against time. In reality, the FBI setup the plot, recruit the patsys, radicalize them and coerce them to carry out the plot, provide them with the means and then swoop in and arrest them. From the beginning to the end its an FBI plot and the participants are typically damaged or ill people who likely wouldn't have done anything without the FBI pushing them to do so.

They did it to Muslims when it suited the narrative, and now they're doing it to White people because it suits the narrative. You guys may be comfortable with that, but I'm not.

What is "the narrative", who's narrative is it? What is it trying to achieve and for whom?

MOH

Sand wrote: »

When people say right wing militias or white militias, they really mean white racist militias. The FBI and powers that be have been trying to push this meme that there is a seething mass of violent racist white people that need to be dealt with. There isnt, certainly nothing on the scale of Antifa and BLM.

No, they don't. If you read "right wing militia" and decide that includes "racist", that's happening inside your head.

excludedbin

If right wing terrorist groups also have a habit of being racists (and they do) that's on them. It's not some grand conspiracy by the ****ing FBI of all organisations. Jesus, the persecution complex right wingers haul around is truly the stuff of legend.

Overheal

Sand wrote: »

And in any case, we have the guys own anarchist and anti-trump views voiced in his own words so we're not just relying on the flag. Even if there was no flag, there is still enough to disprove the desperate FBI/media narrative of terrorist white militias.

Uhm what?

They are white

They are Terrorists

They are a self described militia

MOH

Overheal wrote: »

Uhm what?

They are white

They are Terrorists

They are a self described militia

Yeah, I tried that already, no joy.
Maybe it might work in a different order?

Sand

Overheal wrote: »

Uhm what?

They are white

They are Terrorists

They are a self described militia

I'll meet you half way - anarchists/antifa such as the ones arrested for this act and similar goups are domestic terrorists and should be treated as such.

But there's no evidence of right wing militia groups in the US posing a comparable threat. That is just a meme invented by the FBI.

Moghead

paw patrol wrote: »

thats where you're wrong.
if covid has thought the people of the USA anything , it's their freedom are very fragile.

They need more militias

Nah their freedom isn't under threat. They have no need for militias.

Mr. Karate

What are the odds that she's down in the polls and tried to Jussie Smollett herself some sympathy votes?

Smee_Again

Mr. Karate wrote: »

What are the odds that she's down in the polls and tried to Jussie Smollett herself some sympathy votes?

Her approval rating has been growing steadily thanks to her handling of the Covid crises, up 15 points between January and September.

Billy Mays

Mr. Karate wrote: »

What are the odds that she's down in the polls and tried to Jussie Smollett herself some sympathy votes?

Enjoy your night mate

Overheal

Sand wrote: »

I'll meet you half way - anarchists/antifa such as the ones arrested for this act and similar goups are domestic terrorists and should be treated as such.

But there's no evidence of right wing militia groups in the US posing a comparable threat. That is just a meme invented by the FBI.

What’s your evidence that the FBI is fabricating that?

Overheal

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

It's funny how Trump's cheerleaders love to harp on about law and order until it applies to some of their own crowd.

It's almost as if it has nothing to do with law and order at all.

As soon as law and order shows up they accuse it of being the deep state.

Deebles McBeebles

Sand wrote: »

I'll meet you half way - anarchists/antifa such as the ones arrested for this act and similar goups are domestic terrorists and should be treated as such.

But there's no evidence of right wing militia groups in the US posing a comparable threat. That is just a meme invented by the FBI.

Utter nonsense. Right out of the QAnon playbook.

MOH

Sand wrote: »

But there's no evidence of right wing militia groups in the US posing a comparable threat. That is just a meme invented by the FBI.

Apart from the ones kidnapping governors.

1800_Ladladlad

Trumps to blame for everything. The gimps were BLM supporting degenerates.

https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1314326553506000897?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1314326553506000897%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_3&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redstate.com%2Fbonchie%2F2020%2F10%2F10%2Fwhitmer-kidnapping-plotter-was-blm-supporter-didnt-care-about-trump%2F

Overheal

Sand

The defence for these antifa guys has argued in federal court that this whole case is just "big talk between crackpots," or "people who talk a lot ... but are never going to do anything."

"Have you ever dealt with big talkers?" defense attorney Scott Graham asked an FBI agent on cross-examination, adding: "There's kind of a military-wanna-be theme that runs between the militias."

The FBI needs to show the conspiracy was serious and planned, but when challenged by the defence the FBI agent was unable to explain how the charged planned to get governor to Wisconsin. An alternative claim is that the group intended to maroon the governor in the middle of Lake Michigan - again the FBI was unable to explain what the plan was after this. More and more it sounds like these losers were just living out a walter mitty fantasy to feel important.

Unsurprisingly, the defence has pointed out that one of the most vocal leaders of "the plan" was an FBI informant, acting under the direction of the FBI.

It seems like the whole incident has been manufactured by the FBI for political purposes. Certainly, that's how many in this thread are attempting to exploit it.

Overheal

More evidence from the plot has been released to the public.

These are videos the group recorded of itself, and its preparations for what is clearly much more than a kidnapping.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jllwlidfuhc

https://twitter.com/ReardonReports/status/1317242046999126016?s=20

https://twitter.com/ReardonReports/status/1317242590132113410?s=20

https://twitter.com/ReardonReports/status/1317242945209290752?s=20

And a video log from one of them

https://twitter.com/ReardonReports/status/1317243309560135680?s=20

Overheal

Another incident involving a threat against an elected official for 'mask tyranny' much like this group

https://lawandcrime.com/covid-19-pandemic/wichita-musician-arrested-for-allegedly-threatening-to-kidnap-and-kill-mayor-over-opposition-to-masks-and-tyranny/

But the man in this case seemed to be acting alone and was texting and threatening people directly, not nearly the coordination or planning as the group against Whitmer, but the motivating factor against masks is similar.

Sand

Sand wrote: »

That isnt what I said though. Swing and a miss.



Which say's more about Trump's unique ability to appointment people who undermine him than anything else. Anyway, you don't have to believe me - just view the suspects own video rants and then tell me he is a maga hat wearing good ole boy redneck Trump supporter.



When people say right wing militias or white militias, they really mean white racist militias. The FBI and powers that be have been trying to push this meme that there is a seething mass of violent racist white people that need to be dealt with. There isnt, certainly nothing on the scale of Antifa and BLM.

It's a tad telling when posters who have views that overlap with those of white supremacists and they get outraged that intelligence agencies identify them as the greater threat...

Sand

One of the suspects, a man named Daniel Harris, attended BLM rallies and gave an interview in June to the Oakland County Times.

“It is a shame what happened with George Floyd and instances where law enforcement officers murder an unarmed man/woman who isn’t resisting arrest, was complying with the orders is wrong and need to be stopped. You look at photos and videos of news teams and protesters being beaten by riot police when they are there peacefully, you see people losing their eyes because of an officer shoots them with a ‘non-lethal’ round like pepper balls, or rubber bullets,” he said at the time. “I’ve gone through that sort of training and I can promise you weapons like that they can turn into a lethal round.”

“We went to the BLM protest yesterday in Lake Orion to show our support that everyone’s voice should be heard, no matter the color on your skin. Protesting is important to me because it gives us all a voice to be heard,” he added.

These guys are antifa/BLM supporters. They should be treated as domestic terrorists on those grounds alone. As I said earlier, how disheartening must it be for them that regardless of their convictions when it comes right down to it all their "allies" see them as is angry white men. There is a lesson there for many.

MOH

Sand wrote: »

They should be treated as domestic terrorists on those grounds alone.

But more importantly on the grounds that they're a terrorist white militia who plotted to kidnap a governor. Glad you agree

RWCNT

Sand wrote: »

One of the suspects, a man named Daniel Harris, attended BLM rallies and gave an interview in June to the Oakland County Times.

“It is a shame what happened with George Floyd and instances where law enforcement officers murder an unarmed man/woman who isn’t resisting arrest, was complying with the orders is wrong and need to be stopped. You look at photos and videos of news teams and protesters being beaten by riot police when they are there peacefully, you see people losing their eyes because of an officer shoots them with a ‘non-lethal’ round like pepper balls, or rubber bullets,” he said at the time. “I’ve gone through that sort of training and I can promise you weapons like that they can turn into a lethal round.”

“We went to the BLM protest yesterday in Lake Orion to show our support that everyone’s voice should be heard, no matter the color on your skin. Protesting is important to me because it gives us all a voice to be heard,” he added.

These guys are antifa/BLM supporters. They should be treated as domestic terrorists on those grounds alone. As I said earlier, how disheartening must it be for them that regardless of their convictions when it comes right down to it all their "allies" see them as is angry white men. There is a lesson there for many.

You're right that they profess support for BLM, that doesn't make them "antifa" though. You don't know as much about this stuff as you think you do. The Boogaloo Bois (ridiculous name) are an extreme right group and have had a strong presence at the George Floyd protests. Their motives for doing so have been called into question.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-53018201

Billy Mays

BLM supporters should be treated as terrorists :pac: :pac:

Where the f*ck do you pull this guff from???

Sand

RWCNT wrote: »

You're right that they profess support for BLM, that doesn't make them "antifa" though. You don't know as much about this stuff as you think you do. The Boogaloo Bois (ridiculous name) are an extreme right group and have had a strong presence at the George Floyd protests. Their motives for doing so have been called into question.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-53018201

I think the political classifications of right and left are outdated, and its clear when people are attempting to classify libertarians and neo-nazis under the same "extreme right" category.

I'm not all knowing and all seeing, but what I've seen of these guys and their views so far makes it very clear they're not inspired by Trump (at least positively), despite the OP on this thread attempting to link Trump to this group. Much more of their inspiration comes from anarchist/antifa/BLM idealogy. There has been a strong theme of "resistance" - armed or otherwise- since the Trump election and all the hysteria it was greeted with. This group of losers talking about bringing down the government from their basements is just one more example of it.

It's also clear the FBI essentially ran this plot from the very start, which is typically how these terrorist plots are born. It would be interesting to see transcripts of the group communications and review what role the FBI informants/agents had in organising and inducing the others.

Sand

MOH wrote: »

But more importantly on the grounds that they're a terrorist white militia who plotted to kidnap a governor. Glad you agree

Thanks for reinforcing my point. Despite all the rhetoric and their own political convictions, your analysis of them rests entirely on them being white. I at least am willing to dig a little deeper.

How depressing for those guys. They destroyed their lives for nothing.