Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

hmmm · 08-10-2020 07:22PM

freak scence wrote: »

absolute crap

They're right. The idea that we can open pubs safely in the middle of a pandemic is unrealistic in my opinion. They are the perfect environment for the virus to spread.

The industry deserves a bailout, as does its employees. It's not the fault of owners or employees, this is a 100 year event. Hopefully we will have a vaccine and rapid testing next year which will give us a route out of this and allow the hospitality industry to reopen safely.

08-10-2020 07:29PM

hmmm wrote: »

They're right. The idea that we can open pubs safely in the middle of a pandemic is unrealistic in my opinion. They are the perfect environment for the virus to spread.

The industry deserves a bailout, as does its employees. It's not the fault of owners or employees, this is a 100 year event. Hopefully we will have a vaccine and rapid testing next year which will give us a route out of this and allow the hospitality industry to reopen safely.

And schools aren't?

Pubs have been unfairly maligned from the start. A vaccine won't wide be widely distributed until next summer at earliest, meanwhile many publicans will be forced out of business permanently by then.

So your flippant comments about the hospitality industry reopening safety by next year won't soften the blow for ten of thousands of workers cast out of the sector.

Tenzor07 · 08-10-2020 07:30PM

hmmm wrote: »

They're right. The idea that we can open pubs safely in the middle of a pandemic is unrealistic in my opinion. They are the perfect environment for the virus to spread..

Damn straight! If a summer full of bars being opened in Europe in places with both lower and higher cases than Ireland proves... bars are definitely unsafe... Oh wait....

Jackman25 · 08-10-2020 07:31PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

You can still do it but you'd have to freeze your bollocks off outside

Also trying to find somewhere could be troublesome

There is probably a good few pubs doing lock ins if you know where to find them.
A few of my mates are having one this evening for the match.
Couldn't make it myself, have early start in the morning, but will pop in for a few over the weekend.

El_Duderino 09 · 08-10-2020 07:33PM

Matthew Fat Virtue wrote: »

The UK, US and Spain are not civilised (along with plenty of others)?

The UK has a pub closing time of 10 but not really a curfew. I don't k ow about the US or Spain.

Australia has actual curfew. They just have these laws and they are getting on with it without turning into north Korea. Lots of people object but they're the minority. Australia will go back to normal when they can (Australia is trying to practically eradicate the virus rather so they can go back to normal)

The north Korean comparison is a sure indication that the person doesn't have a clue what they're talking about. The least of North Korea's problems would be a short curfew, in a specific period of emergency,

hmmm · 08-10-2020 07:37PM

Deleted User wrote: »

And schools aren't?

We're prioritising schools over pubs.

So your flippant comments about the hospitality industry reopening safety by next year won't soften the blow for ten of thousands of workers cast out of the sector.

They're not flippant comments. The industry needs a bailout to see it through to the end of the pandemic. But allowing pubs to remain open is more than likely a pipedream.

rubadub · 08-10-2020 07:40PM

Xenji wrote: »

Walked past an establishment today that have an enclosed marquee outside their front entrance, the number of people inside looked right and it is a interesting idea if done right but I do not see it lasting long as none of the sides were open which defeats the whole purpose.

Most pubs I go to have illegal smoking areas, it's totally ignored by the authorities. Most are fine and not even that smoky, but are technically illegal to smoke in, and the pubs encourage it by putting out ashtrays, i.e. they cannot just say "we had no idea people were illegally smoking on our premises". Some take the utter piss of course.

Limpy wrote: »

If you pick up a Cold from drinking a cold pint outside in the mist you will also have to take 2 week's off or get a covid test.

yes, but you are probably more likely to catch a cold inside.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_cold#Weather

Weather
A common misconception is that one can "catch a cold" simply through prolonged exposure to cold weather.[41] Although we now know that colds are viral infections, the prevalence of many such viruses are indeed seasonal, occurring more frequently during cold weather.[42] The reason for the seasonality has not been conclusively determined.[43] Possible explanations may include cold temperature-induced changes in the respiratory system,[44] decreased immune response,[45] and low humidity causing an increase in viral transmission rates, perhaps due to dry air allowing small viral droplets to disperse farther and stay in the air longer.[46]

The apparent seasonality may also be due to social factors, such as people spending more time indoors, near infected people,[44] and specifically children at school.[39][43] Although normal exposure to cold does not increase one's risk of infection, severe exposure leading to significant reduction of body temperature (hypothermia) may put one at a greater risk for the common cold; although controversial, the majority of evidence suggests that it may increase susceptibility to infection.

Drifter50 · 08-10-2020 07:46PM

SAMTALK wrote: »

When hairdressers / barbers / beauticians closed down there wasnt a word about needing them open to keep depression at bay or to interact with people

All we got were funny pictures of DIY jobs at home

You are wrong there and there was substantial commentary at the time about how important it is to womens mental health that they can get their hair done, nails done, visit a beautician etc etc

You are clearly a bloke, stop and think about it from a female point of view

08-10-2020 07:47PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

The UK has a pub closing time of 10 but not really a curfew. I don't k ow about the US or Spain.

Australia has actual curfew. They just have these laws and they are getting on with it without turning into north Korea. Lots of people object but they're the minority. Australia will go back to normal when they can (Australia is trying to practically eradicate the virus rather so they can go back to normal)

The north Korean comparison is a sure indication that the person doesn't have a clue what they're talking about. The least of North Korea's problems would be a short curfew, in a specific period of emergency,

I only read the headlines so the UK and Spain curfews are being misreported in that case. The US has had curfews for ages due to rioting etc and as you said Australia has a curfew.

hynesie08 · 08-10-2020 07:48PM

Drifter50 wrote: »

You are wrong there and there was substantial commentary at the time about how important it is to womens mental health that they can get their hair done, nails done, visit a beautician etc etc

You are clearly a bloke, stop and think about it from a female point of view

**** that, Americans took to the streets with assault rifles to defend their right to a haircut...

ShooterSF · 08-10-2020 07:52PM

hmmm wrote: »

We're prioritising schools over pubs.

I don't think that is the entire picture. We are prioritising schools over EVERYTHING. Even at the highest level, which could be overcrowded ICUs, hospitals and needless deaths the government's plan is to continue to keep schools open. So it isn't really a fair comparison.

As for the pubs, it is a real shame. My pub and many others worked really hard to follow the guidelines as best as possible, with the honest exception that most played loose with the timelimit. Tbh the problem is as much society as a whole. My last night on Monday was dotted with people having to be admonished for trying to move tables or bring chairs over to other tables, not to order at the bar etc. It was actually worse than any night before, not that there were many even with NPHET calling for a need to be more cautious.

Drifter50 · 08-10-2020 07:54PM

GazzaL wrote: »

How nice would a quiet meal and a pint be after a hard week of work?! What a shame.

How very true, it was such a pleasure to lock the front door on Friday evening, arrange to meet the wife and sink into a warm world of a few drinks and some good food. Then on Saturday to think you could even go to a nice restaurant and a few late night drinks in a venue.

I will never complain again about a pub being quiet or not buzzing or needing a facelift. Whatever is open will do

mountgomery burns · 08-10-2020 07:58PM

hmmm wrote: »

We're prioritising schools over pubs.

I'm totally for doing what we can to keep schools open as long as possible and that I think ultimately means trying to stabilize cases at a higher level then we've been accustomed to.

But despite what people say about the risk regarding people's behaviour when it comes to alcohol, its possible to implement social distancing in pubs. It is not possible in many schools. That is a fact that shouldn't be dismissed as lightly as it is.

I am not suggesting close the schools and open the pubs. I just really hate this either or thing. They are not extricable linked anymore than other unrelated industries/sectors of society are. The false relation was established as propaganda by government in mid July when they lost the run of themselves in a panic at a rise of cases to a 7 day average of about 18 a day.

That was the time to open them and let people earn a living, both employers and employees and take a bit of pressure off the Exchequer for a couple of months. I say that because the longer this goes on it becomes a matter of what we can afford to do, and you saw the first signs of that on Sunday.

Clonmel1000 · 08-10-2020 08:22PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Limply

Public health is more important than the economy in general

No economy no public health. No economy massive mental health.

08-10-2020 08:33PM

Drove into town out of curiosity, every pub bolted...all except one. My local. Charlie came through in fine style. As I type, working my way through the lone porter. Two other hardy bucks in the beer garden, we're well separated out. Canopy to keep the rain out, heaters on demand at push of button. Bliss. No killjoys around here, life is good. Hell, it could be a lot worse.

hmmm · 08-10-2020 09:15PM

ShooterSF wrote: »

As for the pubs, it is a real shame. My pub and many others worked really hard to follow the guidelines as best as possible, with the honest exception that most played loose with the timelimit. Tbh the problem is as much society as a whole. My last night on Monday was dotted with people having to be admonished for trying to move tables or bring chairs over to other tables, not to order at the bar etc. It was actually worse than any night before, not that there were many even with NPHET calling for a need to be more cautious.

I don't think it was ever realistic for pubs to reopen in this country, and I know full well that many tried to do it properly - the guidelines themselves were not good enough. You've a combination of it being barely economic to reopen with social distancing, along with the fecklessness of many of the punters who couldn't care less about the efforts publicans were making to do things properly. And then you had the pubs where the owners just didn't make any effort which put the whole industry at risk.

This is no-one's fault, it's a dangerous virus which spreads quite well unfortunately in indoor settings. I personally think we should have largely mothballed the pub industry, and helped the owners and staff to sit this out for 12-18 months. We can't be incentivising people to "make a living" running a business which we know is not viable at the moment. There's no magic fix to this pandemic, but rapid testing and vaccines which will appear next year will allow us to gradually turn the corner, and at that point the pubs can reopen. I think the world when pubs, restaurants, travel reopens is going to be unreal in terms of the money which will be made, everyone misses this so much.

If I was the vitners, I'd be looking for rent and loan freezes, rates being dropped etc and support to tide the industry over for the next 6 months.

El_Duderino 09 · 08-10-2020 09:19PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Drove into town out of curiosity, every pub bolted...all except one. My local. Charlie came through in fine style. As I type, working my way through the lone porter. Two other hardy bucks in the beer garden, we're well separated out. Canopy to keep the rain out, heaters on demand at push of button. Bliss. No killjoys around here, life is good. Hell, it could be a lot worse.

Makes you wonder what all the whingeing, bitching and moaning was all about, doesn't it?

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 08-10-2020 09:30PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Makes you wonder what all the whingeing, bitching and moaning was all about, doesn't it?

I know right. 98% of the pubs can’t do that though so hahaha lets laugh at the people moaning...

El_Duderino 09 · 08-10-2020 09:53PM

Hunky Monster wrote: »

I know right. 98% of the pubs can’t do that though so hahaha lets laugh at the people moaning...

I didn't suggest laughing at anyone.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 08-10-2020 10:05PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I didn't suggest laughing at anyone.

Your post makes you sound like the other fella who keeps mentioning creamy and delicious pints. The moaning and whining as you put it are warranted.

El_Duderino 09 · 08-10-2020 10:05PM

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Your post makes you sound like the other fella who keeps mentioning creamy and delicious pints. The moaning and whining as you put it are warranted.

OK. I've no idea what you're talking about.

fin12 · 08-10-2020 11:12PM

The publicans need to get out on the street in every major city in Ireland and protest. How they have been treated is an absolute disgrace.

I swear if they bring in level 5 I am going out protesting safely with precautions.

hetuzozaho · 08-10-2020 11:14PM

fin12 wrote: »

I swear if they bring in level 5 I am going out protesting safely with precautions.

What are you going to do exactly?

bigpink · 09-10-2020 12:09AM

Actually a joke shop I see guys outside the bookies in Limerick smoking and chatting like Pre Covid

Irish Steve · 09-10-2020 12:12AM

France's third-biggest city Lyon will have to close its bars in coming days as its coronavirus infection rates are spiking and its hospital emergency beds are filling up quickly with Covid-19 patients, the health minister said.

Minister Olivier Veran said Lyon, Lille, Grenoble and Saint-Etienne would go on maximum coronavirus alert level.

This means they will have to close their bars for two weeks in coming days, as Paris did on Tuesday and Marseille,France's second-biggest city, did earlier this month.
Mr Veran said the situation in Toulouse and Montpellier was also worrying and that those cities could also be moved to maximum Covid-19 alert level from Monday.

Dijon and Clermont-Ferrand would be put on higher alert from Saturday, he said.
"Unfortunately, the health situation in France continues to deteriorate," Mr Veran said at his weekly Covid-19 briefing.

Cities placed on maximum alert level will also have to apply stricter health protocols in restaurants .
Scotland has also imposed strict restrictions on restaurants, pubs and hotels in an attempt to slow the spread of Covid, and there is talk that similar restrictions will be imposed over much of Northern England.

So, despite the howls of protest here, it's clear that other countries are imposing similar if not stronger restrictions on their hospitality sectors, for the same reasons as here, Covid is spiralling out of control in the areas that are being restricted.

Spain has introduced restrictions on drinking times.

Germany has limited drink access.

Czech republic has introduced limits

Belgium has restrictions

Estonia has a night time ban on alcohol sales

The specific details of these restrictions are detailed here

When will people recognise the unfortunate reality, Pubs etc are a luxury that we cannot afford while Covid is as rampant as it is at present, and no amount of whining and whinging here or anywhere else will change that.

PTH2009 · 09-10-2020 12:43AM

Irish Steve wrote: »

So, despite the howls of protest here, it's clear that other countries are imposing similar if not stronger restrictions on their hospitality sectors, for the same reasons as here, Covid is spiralling out of control in the areas that are being restricted.

Spain has introduced restrictions on drinking times.

Germany has limited drink access.

Czech republic has introduced limits

Belgium has restrictions

Estonia has a night time ban on alcohol sales

The specific details of these restrictions are detailed here

When will people recognise the unfortunate reality, Pubs etc are a luxury that we cannot afford while Covid is as rampant as it is at present, and no amount of whining and whinging here or anywhere else will change that.

some of those countries gave there pubs a chance to trade in May/June/July while we only got ours back in Aug/Sep and then suddenly closed as quick

Irish Steve · 09-10-2020 01:15AM

PTH2009 wrote: »

some of those countries gave there pubs a chance to trade in May/June/July while we only got ours back in Aug/Sep and then suddenly closed as quick

They did, and in some places, their daily case reports are now making frightening reading, and here, we paid and continue to pay the price for a long term political failure and lack of investment in getting the health service right, which is going to mean massive changes within the HSE to make it fit for purpose, and significant investment in moving out of victorian buildings that are no longer fit for purpose both in terms of location and suitability for the practice of modern medicine. There are however vested interests that will make it very hard for any of the political parties to see it through to where it needs to be, I don't see anyone with the courage to take those vested interests on and win.

I am well aware that some (not all) of the hospitality sector worked hard to try and meet the increasingly complex restrictions placed on them, but they've been defeated by the strength of Covid, and (bluntly) the absolute ignorance of some of the people who still think and act on the basis that "feck ye and yer rules", which goes back a very long way, is acceptable.

weldoninhio · 09-10-2020 07:07AM

HBC08 wrote: »

I think you're confusing nonsense with inconvenient, disruptive, scary,not normal,uncomfortable, a pain in the hole etc.

This sh1tty situation is going to be life for the next year or two.No amount of complaining or stomping of feet is going to change that.Its best to make your peace with it however you can and get on with it like the rest of us.

No, it’s nonsense. Our current death rate 0.24 people dying per day is minuscule

weldoninhio · 09-10-2020 07:13AM

nacho libre wrote: »

Interesting.
so is it:
(a) the virus in this second wave has become less severe
(b) the virus has not become less severe, rather treatments have improved
(c) the reason the death rate is not soaring is because a lot of those that were vunerable passed earlier in the year
or (d) In a couple of weeks, with 159 now currently in hospital, deaths will be considerably higher.

Or (e) The virus isn’t dangerous to the vast majority of people.

weldoninhio · 09-10-2020 07:19AM

Drifter50 wrote: »

How very true, it was such a pleasure to lock the front door on Friday evening, arrange to meet the wife and sink into a warm world of a few drinks and some good food. Then on Saturday to think you could even go to a nice restaurant and a few late night drinks in a venue.

I will never complain again about a pub being quiet or not buzzing or needing a facelift. Whatever is open will do

My mates just WhatsApped. Pub next door to him are doing takeaway pints this evening, so we’re all off to his house for after work pints. Delighted. Help the local economy and see all the lads and their missus’. Get a few platters from one of the local takeaways and it should be a great night.

Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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