US Presidential Election 2020

BonnieSituation · 08-10-2020 03:49AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think both parties did enough to solidify their bases but don't think there'll be many voters jumping off the fence either way after that.

There's still no one on that fence. And either way, that's all you want from your VP in a debate.

08-10-2020 03:50AM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

There's next to no voters on the fence this year.

Of course there are.

Turnout has hovered between 50-55% for the last fifty years.

440Hertz · 08-10-2020 03:50AM

I guess it just shows this is a post-television era. The real fight is on social media.

BonnieSituation · 08-10-2020 03:52AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Of course there are.

Turnout has hovered between 50-55% for the last fifty years.

What? I don't think you understand what undecideds/fence sitters are.

You reckon that those 45% that don't vote are undecideds?

08-10-2020 03:54AM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

What? I don't think you understand what undecideds/fence sitters are.

You reckon that those 45% that don't vote are undecideds?

Plenty of them are well engaged but can't decide between two cheeks of the same arse.

Others are disengaged because they were abandoned long ago.

BonnieSituation · 08-10-2020 03:56AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Plenty of them are well engaged but can't decide between two cheeks of the same arse.

Others are disengaged because they were abandoned long ago.

Crack out the violins.

There's not 40% undecideds out there. Can we just agree on that.

440Hertz · 08-10-2020 03:59AM

Normally it's a choice between bland corporate conservative centre right and bland corporate conservative right.

This time it's a choice between bland corporate conservative centre and complete illogical chaos. It's a bit of a different scenario to most US elections.

Divisadero · 08-10-2020 03:59AM

Pence did a better job of forcing more airtime. Some weak moderation allowed him to get away with it. They both avoided some questions. Pence more than Harris. Though Harris not answering the Supreme court question will be remembered. Which by the way was asked by Pence and not the Moderator! She also missed some opportunities e.g. how Trump abandoned the Kurds. I'm no Trump supporter but I would call the debate a draw. Don't think it will matter much when it comes to the outcome of the election though.

440Hertz · 08-10-2020 04:02AM

You can 100% see why the likes of Oprah or Michelle Obama wouldn't go near this with a barge pole.

Anyone in their right mind wouldn't stand for US president or vp in the current political climate. It'd just be an absolute toxic mess of an election and a life of unpleasantness for years.

I would say the system is probably driving a lot of potentially good candidates out.

Brian? · 08-10-2020 04:02AM

markodaly wrote: »

Pence is slick, very slick...

Lying from a script is "slick"? He's ignoring the questions that are asked and going over his time.

08-10-2020 04:04AM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Crack out the violins.

There's not 40% undecideds out there. Can we just agree on that.

Only if we can agree that there's not practically no voters on the fence.

Rjd2 · 08-10-2020 04:12AM

Divisadero wrote: »

Pence did a better job of forcing more airtime. Some weak moderation allowed him to get away with it. They both avoided some questions. Pence more than Harris. Though Harris not answering the Supreme court question will be remembered. Which by the way was asked by Pence and not the Moderator! She also missed some opportunities e.g. how Trump abandoned the Kurds. I'm no Trump supporter but I would call the debate a draw. Don't think it will matter much when it comes to the outcome of the election though.

Debate won't matter one bit whatsoever which is perfect for Biden as he is cruising.

It was probably a dull draw with neither having a memorable moment .

And yep the moderation was so bad, suspect she was terrified of either side accusing her of been biased thus why she allowed both especially Pence way to much leeway.

Divisadero · 08-10-2020 04:15AM

Rjd2 wrote: »

Debate won't matter one bit whatsoever which is perfect for Biden as he is cruising.

It was probably a dull draw with neither having a memorable moment .

And yep the moderation was so bad, suspect she was terrified of either side accusing her of been biased thus why she allowed both especially Pence way to much leeway.

Agree. As I said the debate won't have any bearing on the election. As an aside neither of them are blessed with much charisma. ðŸ™‚

dublinman1990 · 08-10-2020 04:19AM

The fly on Pence's head is being talked about on CNN.

Biden released a tweet talking about fundraising for a fly swatter, when he was holding it himself, to actually get rid of it.

Divisadero · 08-10-2020 04:25AM

Like a fly round ****e I suppose.

AbusesToilets · 08-10-2020 04:29AM

Harris is utterly insincere and arrogant, find her incredibly off putting. Impressive that the Democrats managed to find a worse candidate than Clinton last time out

dublinman1990 · 08-10-2020 04:33AM

The majority of undecided voters in Phoenix Arizona on CNN were even stevens on Harris & Pence's performance in tonight's debate. They did agree that it was a good debate between the two candidates. They, especially men, liked Kamala Harris more then Pence's & Trump's stance on Covid-19. The men in this sample felt more emotionally attached to her response with her saying the American people felt they were lied to over the dumbing-down of Covid-19 occurring in the U.S.

Tell me how · 08-10-2020 04:34AM

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Harris is utterly insincere and arrogant, find her incredibly off putting. Impressive that the Democrats managed to find a worse candidate than Clinton last time out

Wait until you catch up with the Repbulican contenders.......

dublinman1990 · 08-10-2020 04:43AM

Initial results of the CNN instant poll of debate watchers has been released. Poll sample is at 609 voters. 38% Dem, 33% Ind & 29% Rep.

Poll Sample Error: +/- 5.3%

Kamala Harris is the clear winner of winning tonight's debate with 59%. Mike Pence is at 38%.

More Americans said Sen. Kamala Harris did the best job in the vice presidential debate tonight, according to a CNN Instant Poll of registered voters who watched. About six in 10 (59%) said Harris won, 38% said Vice President Mike Pence had the better night.

Those results roughly match voters’ expectations heading in to the debate. In interviews conducted before tonight’s debate, 61% of these same voters said they expected Harris to win, 36% thought Pence would.

Harris did improve her favorability rating among those who watched, according to the poll, while for Pence, the debate was a wash. In pre-debate interviews, 56% said they had a positive view of Harris, that rose to 63% after the debate. For Pence, his favorability stood at 41% in both pre- and post-debate interviews.

Both candidates who took the stage tonight are broadly seen as qualified to be president: 65% said Pence is qualified to serve as president should that become necessary, 63% said the same about Harris.

The CNN post-debate poll was conducted by SSRS by telephone and includes interviews with 609 registered voters who watched the Oct. 7 vice presidential debate. Results among debate-watchers have a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 5.3 percentage points. Respondents were originally interviewed Sept. 30 to Oct. 4 either by telephone or online, and indicated they planned to watch the debate and would be willing to be re-interviewed when it was over. Respondents initially reached online are members of the SSRS Opinion Panel, a nationally representative probability-based panel.

https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/vp-debate-coverage-fact-check-10-07-20/index.html

AbusesToilets · 08-10-2020 05:19AM

Think Pence wiped the floor with Harris frankly, effectively hammered Harris repeatedly on her record. I despise Pence, however he was far more coherent and consistent with his messaging imo.

NSAman · 08-10-2020 05:25AM

dublinman1990 wrote: »

Initial results of the CNN instant poll of debate watchers has been released. Poll sample is at 609 voters. 38% Dem, 33% Ind & 29% Rep.

Poll Sample Error: +/- 5.3%

Kamala Harris is the clear winner of winning tonight's debate with 59%. Mike Pence is at 38%.

https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/vp-debate-coverage-fact-check-10-07-20/index.html

CNN = DEMOCRAT MOUTH PIECE

FOX = REPUBLICAN MOUTH PIECE

you believe cnn? Pluuuuueeese!

Think for yourself and don’t follow propaganda!

Brian? · 08-10-2020 05:43AM

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Think Pence wiped the floor with Harris frankly, effectively hammered Harris repeatedly on her record. I despise Pence, however he was far more coherent and consistent with his messaging imo.

What messages exactly?

StringerBell · 08-10-2020 08:01AM

Nobody gives a flying F about VP debates and everyone involved knows it. Once there is no meltdown moment, or someone doesn't admit they are a Nazi or a communist that's a successful debate from either side.

Both will be happy with the result, neither of them had to answer any questions they didn't want to and nobody will have some viral gotcha moment that will hurt the campaign.

A dull draw with two typically insincere politicians. Good to have it out of the way, not long to go now

everlast75 · 08-10-2020 08:11AM

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Harris is utterly insincere and arrogant, find her incredibly off putting. Impressive that the Democrats managed to find a worse candidate than Clinton last time out

She seems to poll very well, with record breaking funds raised when she was announced on the ticket.

It appears therefore that your last sentence is incorrect.

ILoveYourVibes · 08-10-2020 09:08AM

Harris was awful last night.

duploelabs · 08-10-2020 09:12AM

paul71 wrote: »

What?

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20151106-is-msg-as-bad-as-its-made-out-to-be

Monosodium glutamate’s notoriety took off in 1968 when Dr Ho Man Kwok wrote a letter to the New England Journal of Medicine musing about the possible causes of a syndrome he experienced whenever he ate at Chinese restaurants in the US.

i.e letter to the editor, not peer reviewed

pixelburp · 08-10-2020 09:16AM

Only saw clips but it was like every other VP debate I've seen: feisty but the shadow boxing of two folk without any real stakes in the race. Knowing that nothing they say will sway voters one way or the other.

Not sure where I see Harris' supposedly awful performance suggested by some here, because it seemed very typical of her. Combatative, with the methodology and presentation formed from her prosectorial background. May not be to everyone's tastes with politicians but she seemed to be more animated and "in charge". I don't rate her politics but think she is a good operator all the same. That may yet be useful.

seamus · 08-10-2020 09:19AM

Goes to show what an absolute mess the GOP is in when people are awarding bonus points to Mike Pence for not being a loud, ranting, mess. "He was calm, at least".

You know, for showing the most basic level of decorum one would expect.

gmisk · 08-10-2020 09:26AM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Harris was awful last night.

She really wasn't. Pence was as low on details as expected. Harris is a pretty fearsome debater.

Pence at least behaved like a gentleman.
Mother has taught him well

FortuneChip · 08-10-2020 09:29AM

Just seemed like a load of question dodging last night.

Rattling off their monologues, rather than answering the questions, from both parties.

Mike Pence looks like the stock villain to a long delayed direct-to-DVD sequel to an 80s/90s action movie.

As mentioned, this won't have much of an impact on anything anyway.

US Presidential Election 2020

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