Dublin bus crash

MJohnston · 06-10-2020 01:15PM

To be clear, where I think AGS are ineffective is not in the handling of the moments before the crash, but in the fact that they're so utterly absent when it comes to enforcing road laws that a disqualified driver can just merrily continue to drive around.

testarossa40 · 06-10-2020 10:59PM

Sorry, I may be operating under a misunderstanding here, but, I thought Transport Police focus on enforcement & prosecuting of Public transport regulations & bye laws - eg ticket fare evasion, antisocial behaviour, assaults, vandalism, and other crimes committed on Public transport. The NBRU would certainly have stakeholder interests in such. But what could they have done here other than check everybody on the bus had a had a valid ticket?

On the other hand Roads Policing/Traffic Corps etc focuses on road users in general, driving standards & laws, and we do already have an AGS Traffic Corps. Otherwise I just think the NBRU were being a bit too keen to jump in front of an RTE camera and throw blame without having first had all the facts to hand...

GT89 · 06-10-2020 11:21PM

testarossa40 wrote: »

Sorry, I may be operating under a misunderstanding here, but, I thought Transport Police focus on enforcement & prosecuting of Public transport regulations & bye laws - eg ticket fare evasion, antisocial behaviour, assaults, vandalism, and other crimes committed on Public transport. The NBRU would certainly have stakeholder interests in such. But what could they have done here other than check everybody on the bus had a had a valid ticket?

On the other hand Roads Policing/Traffic Corps etc focuses on road users in general, driving standards & laws, and we do already have an AGS Traffic Corps. Otherwise I just think the NBRU were being a bit too keen to jump in front of an RTE camera and throw blame without having first had all the facts to hand...

I'm not sure how effective a transport police would be for policing buses. The NBRU often refer to the BTP as an example of a sucessful transport police force however the BTP is solely focused on rail transport. Bus transport is generally looked after by regular police forces.

The BTPs sole focus is the railway, London underground and various light rail systems in the UK. Now the BTP can patrol buses generally only when there is a bus incident in a shared rail and bus facility where buses and trains share a station.

punisher5112 · 06-10-2020 11:55PM

GT89 wrote: »

I'm not sure how effective a transport police would be for policing buses. The NBRU often refer to the BTP as an example of a sucessful transport police force however the BTP is solely focused on rail transport. Bus transport is generally looked after by regular police forces.

The BTPs sole focus is the railway, London underground and various light rail systems in the UK. Now the BTP can patrol buses generally only when there is a bus incident in a shared rail and bus facility where buses and trains share a station.

Not only that ticket inspectors are everywhere, see what we have is an absolute sh1t show and free for all....
The system here is a shambles and when people are free to do as they please whether that's pay or not or destroy buses or use child leap cards when they are not young at all....

There doesn't actually seem to be any push or care given by those higher up in db or the nta or gubernment....

The welfare system is also shown up in all this and how bizarre a system where anyone with a faulty card or out of date or even blocked card continue to travel for free even if they are no longer eligible because covid means these measures are on hold.

Drivers treated like dirt and this has never changed but I do feel it's gotten worse over the years....

The whole fleet of db vehicles when in normal circumstances has a huge team of 4..... Yes 4 ticket checking staff.
There are around 1,000 buses, ticket equipment from pre 2000 tech, bus lanes that no longer function as one and buses must leave to continue, roadways now with kerbing, poles and other obstacles which make it difficult for cars imagine what it's like to navigate a bus through etc etc....

sameoldname · 07-10-2020 12:23AM

GT89 wrote: »

Is the increase in trouble on public transport dare I say anything to do with immigration. It may be controversial to say this but I have noticed that many of the people who are pig ignorant out there are from beyond these shores.

Does immigration need to be dragged into every thread on boards? It gets so incredibly tiresome...

MJohnston · 07-10-2020 09:39AM

It’s also a laughable assertion. Anyone who has used a Dublin bus can tell you that the vast majority of trouble comes from those who are ‘native’ Dubliners, whether they’re on or off the bus.

testarossa40 · 07-10-2020 02:19PM

This thread had gone off topic. It was about how a banned motorist went on a joyride last Friday night and ran a Dublin Bus off the road injuring injuring 8 people - 2 badly, including the bus driver.

There was no trouble on the bus.

There was no immigrant factor.

punisher5112 · 07-10-2020 02:37PM

I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often to be honest

MJohnston · 07-10-2020 03:34PM

Here's the biggest problem, and the root cause of why this incident happened:

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/driver-who-was-holding-bottle-of-rum-as-he-left-his-crashed-car-spared-jail-39596857.html

A DRINK-driving suspect got out of a crashed car holding a bottle of rum, became "combative" and threatened gardaí with physical violence

he had driven the BMW on to a footpath, writing it off in the collision.

Separately, he left the scene of another accident at New Road, Clondalkin, and tried to strike gardaí when they found him.

Roe was "out of control" in the throes of drug and alcohol addiction at the time.

Judge Jones said the accused was "escaping by the skin of his teeth".

The judiciary in this country is completely broken.

punisher5112 · 07-10-2020 03:39PM

MJohnston wrote: »

Here's the biggest problem, and the root cause of why this incident happened:

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/driver-who-was-holding-bottle-of-rum-as-he-left-his-crashed-car-spared-jail-39596857.html

The judiciary in this country is completely broken.

4 year ban which will never stop him continuing to drive.

magicbastarder · 07-10-2020 04:00PM

it's bizarre how the ability to drive is seen as some sort of civil right. almost as if denying someone the ability to drive is like denying them their freedom, even when it's been repeatedly shown they cannot be trusted behind the wheel.

IE 222 · 07-10-2020 04:38PM

Looking back at some of the recent crashes, the level of damage seems to be rather severe for what I would imagine where relatively low speed impacts, 50kph or less. I understand a bus is going to have much more momentum force than a car. Even in what would seem to be even less severe impacts such as hitting branches, the upper deck has been cut clean off.

I presume the frame is designed to break and crush as to absorb the energy as a crumple zone but giving lack of space and with the ease that it fails at, should a stronger design not be sought. The bodies frames and roof seem to offer little to no protection and as they seem to collapse inwards and probably cause more harm to drivers and passengers on the upper deck.

punisher5112 · 07-10-2020 09:09PM

IE 222 wrote: »

Looking back at some of the recent crashes, the level of damage seems to be rather severe for what I would imagine where relatively low speed impacts, 50kph or less. I understand a bus is going to have much more momentum force than a car. Even in what would seem to be even less severe impacts such as hitting branches, the upper deck has been cut clean off.

I presume the frame is designed to break and crush as to absorb the energy as a crumple zone but giving lack of space and with the ease that it fails at, should a stronger design not be sought. The bodies frames and roof seem to offer little to no protection and as they seem to collapse inwards and probably cause more harm to drivers and passengers on the upper deck.

The roof is designed to sheer off so as to no crush people and also ease of repair as if it didn't most would be bent beyond repair as they would pull the rest of the bus out of shape.

Luckily these are rare.

That was a big tree and with the momentum of up to 17 ton that would have been around 13 ton or a shade under at that point, as it wasn't fully loaded, could you imagine how bad it would have been with standing and full....

IE 222 · 08-10-2020 12:01AM

punisher5112 wrote: »

The roof is designed to sheer off so as to no crush people and also ease of repair as if it didn't most would be bent beyond repair as they would pull the rest of the bus out of shape.

Luckily these are rare.

That was a big tree and with the momentum of up to 17 ton that would have been around 13 ton or a shade under at that point, as it wasn't fully loaded, could you imagine how bad it would have been with standing and full....

Although it designed too shear off, the roof does and can cave/fold in on itself depending on the impact. The bus probably done what it was designed to do but I wonder could it of done better. It would be interesting to know how a strengthened bus would of faired in these events.

It does seem to be pure luck that nobody has been killed or received life changing injuries in some of these. Maybe the large panes of glass smashing make it look worse than it is.

GT89 · 08-10-2020 12:20AM

IT are reporting the bus driver suffered 2 broken legs and a broken pelvis and the other passenger who was seriously injured suffered a bleed to the brain.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/driver-of-car-that-collided-with-double-decker-bus-previously-sanctioned-with-driving-ban-1.4373649

Darc19 · 08-10-2020 12:24AM

MJohnston wrote: »

It’s also a laughable assertion. Anyone who has used a Dublin bus can tell you that the vast majority of trouble comes from those who are ‘native’ Dubliners, whether they’re on or off the bus.

Lucky it wasn't in an area of native dubs - otherwise there would have been over 500 injured people all with speed dial to ambulance chasing solicitors

IE 222 · 08-10-2020 12:50AM

GT89 wrote: »

IT are reporting the bus driver suffered 2 broken legs and a broken pelvis and the other passenger who was seriously injured suffered a bleed to the brain.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/driver-of-car-that-collided-with-double-decker-bus-previously-sanctioned-with-driving-ban-1.4373649

By the sounds of it he should of been locked up already. Its amazing how he was free to go. Giving he was already avoiding a warrant for a different matter and the lengths he goes to to avoid capture he should of been remanded in custody. Do judges not see that the likes of him are a danger to others. No doubt he'll be back out driving once he gets himself a new car.

dublinman1990 · 09-10-2020 01:14AM

Jesus. Those injuries sound really serious for the bus driver. Do those types of injuries make him retire from bus driving for good?

stephenjmcd · 26-07-2022 01:52PM

Apologies from dragging up and old thread, thought it might be better than starting a new one.

Crash earlier today on Northumberland Road close to where the previous crash from this thread was.

Hopefully the driver makes a full recovery

https://twitter.com/TomDouglas95/status/1551908347422679040?s=20&t=wsgCHC__E3S7MPDRHkbDzg

Midnight_EG · 26-07-2022 05:48PM

Driver suffered a heart attack at the wheel

dublinman1990 · 26-07-2022 10:20PM

That is grim for the driver. It is a frightening experience having a heart attack at the wheel. I am glad the passengers are all safe though which is good news.

mikeybhoy · 27-07-2022 12:41AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119391834#Comment_119391834

Fingers crossed the driver makes a full recovery. I've elsewhere the crash wasn't as bad as it looks in pictures as luckily the bus wasn't going particularly fast.

Dublin bus crash

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