Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

ACitizenErased · 06-10-2020 11:09PM

HSE Daily Operations Update
142 in hospital, reduction of 5.
10 confirmed cases today - 2 in CUH, 1 each in Cavan, Connolly, GUH, Mater, Navan, Tallaght, Tullamore and UHW.
24 in ICU, increase of 1.
11 ventilated, increase of 3.

eagle eye · 06-10-2020 11:10PM

smellyoldboot wrote:

Fcuk that. Lash them out of it. Healthy dose of the baton and pepper spray will knock some sense into these cretins.

Little dart to put them to sleep, they wake up in a prison cell and are informed that all their vaccines have been updated

Polar101 · 06-10-2020 11:13PM

giveitholly wrote: »

Jesus do you honestly think any pub will open in this weather,who would sit outside and drink a pint on an evening like this?

My local pub is open 8 hours a day, but they have a decent beer garden. I guess 15 people and takeaway food is better than no business.

John O.Groats · 06-10-2020 11:15PM

smellyoldboot wrote: »

Fcuk that. Lash them out of it. Healthy dose of the baton and pepper spray will knock some sense into these cretins.

If it was up to me personally I would go much further than that but if I posted what I really think should be done to these morons I would probably get banned again. Actually is the ERU going to be on standby? If not they should be and if there is any aggro let them loose on the fcukwits.

majcos · 06-10-2020 11:17PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Wonder what the flu death figures are for Ireland or have we to wait and see? Will the be recorded as Covid deaths if the person who died from flu had traces of Covid in them?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12797238/flu-killed-10-times-more-brits-coronavirus-14-week/

Weekly influenza reports are published on HSPC website. They go back as far as 2000/2001 online.

110 confirmed influenza deaths in 2019/2020 season. Season runs from October so first report 2020/2021 will be published on Thursday October 8th.

People admitted to hospitals with influenza like illness are tested but testing not very widespread in community.

stephenjmcd · 06-10-2020 11:19PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Good post, but give us another moniker for the snowflakes if you detest that so much.

Mental health issues are hidden. But it seems to me that those who shout the loudest are least in need of help sometimes. I hope you understand what I am saying.

There is far too much emphasis put on mental health. Even kids who couldn't make their Communion or Confirmation. I have heard some (IDIOT) parents say it will affect their mental health.

That is not a mental health issue at all, it is a disappointment, and just a postponement of gratification (mostly for the parents and the party after lol)

Oh I don't disagree, there are a cohort who when their opinion or argument is essentially invalid resort to the mental health line. It seems for some to be the last excuse to be used, I say excuse because its quite clear its a go to for some and that's just wrong, they've no idea what an actual mental health issue is.

Its a topic that seems to just get thrown about at times with little thought, such as you mention the communion and confirmation situation.

Yeah a child missing out on a confirmation isn't an issue really in the grand scheme at the moment, ok they were looking forward to the day, you had a party arranged, great, you can't have it, realistically the child is upset that they didn't get cards and presents, not the actual communion or confirmation. They'll soon forget about it.

Strumms · 06-10-2020 11:21PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Good post, but give us another moniker for the snowflakes if you detest that so much.

Mental health issues are hidden. But it seems to me that those who shout the loudest are least in need of help sometimes. I hope you understand what I am saying.

There is far too much emphasis put on mental health. Even kids who couldn't make their Communion or Confirmation. I have heard some (IDIOT) parents say it will affect their mental health.

That is not a mental health issue at all, it is a disappointment, and just a postponement of gratification (mostly for the parents and the party after lol)

Too many people are ‘playing’ the mental health card because it quite simply suits their agenda.

This behavior is not limited to covid issues, it’s rank over the last few years from everywhere from workplaces, social groups, sports teams... covid is just a natural environment from where people who want something that they might be denied, decide to embrace a mental health angle to angle their own agenda front and center.

That said, with covid some will or may have psychological issues. Ok but those issues need to be addressed by psychologists, professionals NOT fücking addressed by the government and others bowing and cow-towing to them by scrapping an informed, common sense approach that will help in favor of a risk heavy policy that is much more likely to see this get further out of hand.

06-10-2020 11:21PM

jammiedodgers wrote: »

I'd give you the numbers by themselves but you strike me as the type that requires pictures for things to be explained to you.

now show me your chart that states all the cases that are positvely sick with covid? that have come to hospital gasping for breath from Covid?
Will the charts read..scheduled for unrelated surgey ..NO Symptoms Covid Positive. We know now that all persons entering hospitals are tested, of course the numbers are up. are they positive with covid or positively sick with covid?? the deaths point to the latter

ACitizenErased · 06-10-2020 11:22PM

Strumms wrote: »

Too many people are ‘playing’ the mental health card because it quite simply suits their agenda.

This behavior is not limited to covid issues, it’s rank over the last few years from everywhere from workplaces, social groups, sports teams... covid is just a natural environment from where people who want something that they might be denied, decide to embrace a mental health angle to angle their own agenda front and center.

That said, with covid some will or may have psychological issues. Ok but those issues need to be addressed by psychologists, professionals NOT fücking addressed by the government and others bowing and cow-towing to them by scrapping an informed, common sense approach that will help in favor of a risk heavy policy that is much more likely to see this get further out of hand.

God, you have a lot to learn.

ElTel · 06-10-2020 11:23PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

This Overlooked Variable Is the Key to the Pandemic/

Thanks for posting.

Backward tracing could be a more important factor in preventing transmission.

Seems sensible to put a lot more effort/money/manpower into the contact tracing area.

Maybe this department needs some overlap with OGS and should become a mainstay going forward.

John O.Groats · 06-10-2020 11:25PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Little dart to put them to sleep, they wake up in a prison cell and are informed that all their vaccines have been updated

And in addition to this also told that a minimum of 2500 euro will be automatically deducted from their bank accounts or will be taken from their social welfare payments.

Eod100 · 06-10-2020 11:28PM

White House seems absolutely riddled with covid. Biden's team will have to send in the fumigators in January.. https://twitter.com/LMartinezABC/status/1313605502069362691?s=19

majcos · 06-10-2020 11:29PM

rusty cole wrote: »

now show me your chart that states all the cases that are positvely sick with covid? that have come to hospital gasping for breath from Covid?
Will the charts read..scheduled for unrelated surgey ..NO Symptoms Covid Positive. We know now that all persons entering hospitals are tested, of course the numbers are up. are they positive with covid or positively sick with covid?? the deaths point to the latter

A person scheduled for unrelated surgery if tests Covid positive with no symptoms is not admitted. Surgery is postponed and that person stays at home. So that person does not appear as a hospital admission.

stockshares · 06-10-2020 11:32PM

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1313607301727760384?s=19

Eod100 · 06-10-2020 11:36PM

stockshares wrote: »

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1313607301727760384?s=19

The proposed 200e fine for leaving your county seems daft and unworkable. If all the county is in the same level, why such concern about inter-county travel? That's hardly driving it. Would think border and external travel are bigger issues.

fly_agaric · 06-10-2020 11:36PM

ElTel wrote: »

Thanks for posting.

Backward tracing could be a more important factor in preventing transmission.

Seems sensible to put a lot more effort/money/manpower into the contact tracing area.

Maybe this department needs some overlap with OGS and should become a mainstay going forward.

I don't think it is going to work here.

Anything I've read about Asian efforts at this suggest to me it is very invasive of privacy.

Apart from the resources required to do it properly (I suppose those could be obtained), asking people nicely where they have been the last 2 weeks or so is not going to be enough.

Collecting people's credit/debit or public transport card use details, their phone location data etc. would be needed but that is never going to happen.

Then there is issue of actually making people get tests & quarantine off the back off this expanded contact tracing effort. They (and employers) would just have to accept it + not try and weasel out of it.

Like enforcing some of our public health "recommendations" or "advice", neither the capability or the will are there so am increasingly pessimistic Ireland may just have to accept what comes & eat the ongoing economic damage and more deaths and sickness.

jammiedodgers · 06-10-2020 11:36PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Thanks. I was searching for that chart to reply to that post.

This information should be more easily accessible.

Can I ask for the source?

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/pages/hospitals-icu--testing

Mendelsohn33 · 06-10-2020 11:36PM

It's 50-50 at this stage.
I mean I am very buttblasted and sore about orange trump being president.
I was a moderator on a political discussion board in 2015 2016 and I bet all my eggs on hillary
Now nobody respects my opinion on political matters
So ya
I will ban anybody
Co's I was wrong.

I need to buy some trump butt salve cream because I was so wrong
And every body sees it

mountgomery burns · 06-10-2020 11:36PM

It's amazing how much faith and belief some people have in high ranking civil servants in the department of health and officials of the HSE, while at the same time bemoaning the dreadful management of investments in our health service in the last 20-30 years.

Mendelsohn33 · 06-10-2020 11:37PM

It's 50-50 at this stage.
I mean I am very buttblasted and sore about orange trump being president.
I was a moderator on a political discussion board in 2015 2016 and I bet all my eggs on hillary
Now nobody respects my opinion on political matters
So ya
I will ban anybody
Co's I was wrong.

I need to buy some trump butt salve cream because I was so wrong
And every body sees it

giveitholly · 06-10-2020 11:41PM

Polar101 wrote: »

My local pub is open 8 hours a day, but they have a decent beer garden. I guess 15 people and takeaway food is better than no business.

Fair enough,that is one pub,but that is an outlier for certain. And I wish them the best of luck,hope they can survive

SeaBreezes · 06-10-2020 11:45PM

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

They’ll be recorded as a Covid death. If you were hospital because of a stroke or heart attack and happened to have a asymptomatic positive PCR test and died then it’s a Covid death.

You know covid causes strokes and heart attacks, right?

Arghus · 06-10-2020 11:49PM

rusty cole wrote: »

now show me your chart that states all the cases that are positvely sick with covid? that have come to hospital gasping for breath from Covid?
Will the charts read..scheduled for unrelated surgey ..NO Symptoms Covid Positive. We know now that all persons entering hospitals are tested, of course the numbers are up. are they positive with covid or positively sick with covid?? the deaths point to the latter

Someone else has explained most of this already above. But if you're hospitalised with Covid you are pretty ill with it. You wouldn't be in hospital otherwise.

Hamsterchops · 06-10-2020 11:51PM

I don't think we're ever going to eradicate this virus by social distancing and closing down the economy, so why don't we just keep the over sixty fives and vulnerable safe at home, and let the virus wash over the rest of us like a tsunami....

Let the virus run its course unopposed?

Most of us would survive & be alright, wouldn't we?
Devil's advocate.

Strumms · 06-10-2020 11:55PM

Hamsterchops wrote: »

I don't think we're ever going to eradicate this virus by social distancing and closing down the economy, so why don't we just keep the over sixty fives and vulnerable safe at home, and let the virus wash over the rest of us like a tsunami....

Let the virus run its course unopposed?

Most of us would survive & be alright, wouldn't we?
Devil's advocate.

Because people have a right to life.

Sick people, old people, young people, everybody. So we fight it.

Polar101 · 06-10-2020 11:56PM

giveitholly wrote: »

Fair enough,that is one pub,but that is an outlier for certain. And I wish them the best of luck,hope they can survive

Yes definitely they would be an exception, but I just wanted to mention it because it's good to see them trying to stay open, and I hope it works out.

(This is in Dublin, by the way)

Knine · 06-10-2020 11:56PM

Hamsterchops wrote: »

I don't think we're ever going to eradicate this virus by social distancing and closing down the economy, so why don't we just keep the over sixty fives and vulnerable safe at home, and let the virus wash over the rest of us like a tsunami....

Let the virus run its course unopposed?

Most of us would survive & be alright, wouldn't we?
Devil's advocate.

And how long do you propose I lock up my vulnerable family members for? And if rampant in the community then how will I prevent myself from bringing it home to them & what about when they need medical care?

Letting the virus run its course may mean young people who have a bad accident or become sick might not have an ICU bed to go to!

growleaves · 06-10-2020 11:58PM

"..the night cometh, when no man can work." - John 9:4

Ficheall · 07-10-2020 12:00AM

Knine wrote: »

Letting the virus run its course may mean young people who have a bad accident or become sick might not have an ICU bed to go to!

You think the f*ck the elderly brigade will let them waste a perfectly good ICU bed? Let them shuffle off their mortal coil at home.

Arghus · 07-10-2020 12:00AM

Hamsterchops wrote: »

I don't think we're ever going to eradicate this virus by social distancing and closing down the economy, so why don't we just keep the over sixty fives and vulnerable safe at home, and let the virus wash over the rest of us like a tsunami....

Let the virus run its course unopposed?

Most of us would survive & be alright, wouldn't we?
Devil's advocate.

Because the idea of keeping everyone over the age of the 65 perfectly safe while the virus runs riot outside is unrealistic. What about the people who live with these people? Or who care or provide medical assistance to these people? They will also have be isolated indefinitely. As well as other people who are medically vulnerable under the age of 65, which is not a small amount. Rampant covid in the community means hospitals will be off limits for an indefinite period of time - so an even greater backlog of appointments and surgeries then even with the lockdown and even less access to medical care to those who really need it.

It's an absolutely unworkable idea and people who propose haven't thought about how difficult it is.

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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