Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

Jim_Hodge · 06-10-2020 09:10AM

Eod100 wrote: »

So NPHET couldn't guarantee government that level 5 restrictions for 4 weeks would be enough so went with level 3 for 3 weeks? And for not having a back up plan, what's the government's back up plan if level 3 restrictions don't work?

Gradual move to Level 4 then 5 as was always the plan if things deteriorate. Level 3 can work if people do what's needed to make it work.

polesheep · 06-10-2020 09:11AM

Peter Flynt wrote: »

Gun to the head of government?

Gimme a break.

They're there to give advice.
They gave their advice.
Govt rejected it.
Then Varadkar went on national TV and thrashed them.
End of story.

Not quite. Up until Sunday the relationship between NPHET and the government was a good one. NPHET giving their advice in a calm and rational manner. Then bully boy arrived back on Sunday to show everyone who is boss.

Peter Flynt · 06-10-2020 09:12AM

polesheep wrote: »

Not quite. Up until Sunday the relationship between NPHET and the government was a good one. NPHET giving their advice in a calm and rational manner. Then bully boy arrived back on Sunday to show everyone who is boss.

You're some eejit.

iamwhoiam · 06-10-2020 09:14AM

polesheep wrote: »

Not quite. Up until Sunday the relationship between NPHET and the government was a good one. NPHET giving their advice in a calm and rational manner. Then bully boy arrived back on Sunday to show everyone who is boss.

Calm and rational ? Leaked to the Press and had people awake all night with worry and anxiety ? That is no way to treat a nation already worried and upset

SusanC10 · 06-10-2020 09:14AM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

To HIS business . But not to an awful lot of other businesses .

Yes, for that sector of business.

But what I am wondering is what is best overall - a potentially shorter shutdown for everyone bar essentials or a longer drawn out period where increasingly certain sectors close until we get to the point where everyone bar essentials are shutdown but for longer ?

I don't know the answer.

GooglePlus · 06-10-2020 09:15AM

Tony will be looking like the right man to go to in a very short few weeks and the government will look a right show.

Level 3 won't stop this growth.

Widdensushi · 06-10-2020 09:15AM

Boggles wrote: »

It's not my data or prediction.

You do understand that right?

You predicted cases in the thousands, schools closing etc.

polesheep · 06-10-2020 09:16AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

What do people think is going to happen?
NPHET didn’t make the recommendation for the craic.

Hospitals will be the first casualty. We are in exponential growth again. Doesn’t take long for services to clog up.

https://twitter.com/stuartdneilson/status/1313371378037346304?s=21

It's unlikely that NPHET made that recommendation on Sunday just two days after what they had to say on Thursday. It's more like bully boy decided to show them who is boss.

ednwireland · 06-10-2020 09:17AM

polesheep wrote: »

Not quite. Up until Sunday the relationship between NPHET and the government was a good one. NPHET giving their advice in a calm and rational manner. Then bully boy arrived back on Sunday to show everyone who is boss.

exactly how i see it holohan came decided to show everyone whose boss and instead of discussing with the cabinet went public with a level 5 recommendation on a solo run (i guess seeing as no need to go to level 3 was 2 days previous).

not sure what holohans game is here but he should be sacked immediately, his position is totally untenable, but then he shouldnt be in that job anyway after the cervical smear scandal.

polesheep · 06-10-2020 09:18AM

elefant wrote: »

I'm not sure what you're addressing here, sorry. To whom am I riding to the rescue of?

If this was a talking head on television then that would be understandable. This is one of the leaders of the Irish government on television undermining the public health authority at the same time as the rest of the government is trying to impress the importance of social cohesion on the population.

For every comment Varadkar made about NPHET you can read Holohan.

iamwhoiam · 06-10-2020 09:18AM

SusanC10 wrote: »

Yes, for that sector of business.

But what I am wondering is what is best overall - a potentially shorter shutdown for everyone bar essentials or a longer drawn out period where increasingly certain sectors close until we get to the point where everyone bar essentials are shutdown but for longer ?

I don't know the answer.

Unfortunately none of us know the answer but in my opinion we have to learn ways of living with the virus and not shutting ourselves away . I think its pointless to do that as we eventually have to come out again and face it .So we need a plan to live with it

Boggles · 06-10-2020 09:18AM

Widdensushi wrote: »

You predicted cases in the thousands, schools closing etc.

NPHET did.

There main reason for Level 5 was to keep the schools open and health care functioning, the core remits they were handed by the government.

firmly believes that taking this action proactively for four weeks from now is the only opportunity to get this disease back under control while keeping schools open

If current trends continue, it said 1,600 to 2,300 cases per day will be being reported per day by 7 November, with 43 people per day being admitted to hospital per day.

It's worth pointing out that no one in governance has disputed the data.

caveat emptor · 06-10-2020 09:19AM

Deleted User wrote: »

So it's still accelerating. A positive growth rate means each subsequent day has more cases than the previous day. It's not going down. Good point.

drunkmonkey · 06-10-2020 09:20AM

polesheep wrote: »

It's exactly how it should have been from day one.

We completely fcuked up by locking down in the good weather it's when the virus was at it's least effective. We've now decided to get it in winter time this will be seen as one of the greatest cock ups in our history.

polesheep · 06-10-2020 09:21AM

Peter Flynt wrote: »

You're some eejit.

Says the character who made that comment about Varadkar's father.

Thomas.. · 06-10-2020 09:21AM

We need to cop the fukk on and forget about lockdowns

Lockdown is akin to giving someone with mental health issues a lobotomy

weldoninhio · 06-10-2020 09:21AM

martingriff wrote: »

How about be responsible adults and do not have them

Thats no craic.

polesheep · 06-10-2020 09:22AM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Calm and rational ? Leaked to the Press and had people awake all night with worry and anxiety ? That is no way to treat a nation already worried and upset

"Up until Sunday".

Eod100 · 06-10-2020 09:25AM

Worrying https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1313394464971534336?s=19

caveat emptor · 06-10-2020 09:27AM

This is desperate. The trajectory is very clear. Looking at the rate of change might make you feel better but when you look at absolute numbers you see the problem. We fill beds with absolute hospital admissions not the rate of change.

s1ippy · 06-10-2020 09:30AM

polesheep wrote: »

Not quite. Up until Sunday the relationship between NPHET and the government was a good one. NPHET giving their advice in a calm and rational manner. Then bully boy arrived back on Sunday to show everyone who is boss.

Ronan Glynn was the one being bullied by the government who think their "elected" positions have them some sort of divine right to rule. The information was being ignored and suppressed. Tony has returned in spite of his family circumstances because it's clear, in his professional opinion as a medical expert and with his knowledge of our health service, that the health service will be overwhelmed.

Stop letting your hatred of him and need for someone to blame cloud your faculties and try and actually see the facts.

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https://twitter.com/fionamitchell56/status/1313374290318954496?s=20

Thomas.. · 06-10-2020 09:31AM

We have sleepwalked into a ridiculous situation with ICU beds

The government will have no option but to move to lockdown for the sake of extra ICU capacity

BringBackMick · 06-10-2020 09:32AM

Level 3 is stabilising Dublin. Should stabilise rest if country in 2,3 weeks. Until then I guess we may approach 1000 a day.

A straight jump to 5 countrywide be foolish.

We have level 3 now as a base, individual counties now can be moved up if needed, Donegal may need to go to 4

drunkmonkey · 06-10-2020 09:33AM

Eod100 wrote: »

Worrying

Not really we have double and triple that for the flu every year, the advice is not to go to your doctor unless symptoms are severe and not to present yourself to hospital, call your doctor if your concerned, stay at home and don't pass it on. Drink plenty of fluids.
We need to hit the stop button and take the same advice we do for flu, this wide scale community testing isn't achieving anything worthwhile. The reassigned public service employees would be better off back in their jobs and dealing with their patients again.

Hector Savage · 06-10-2020 09:33AM

Eod100 wrote: »

Worrying https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1313394464971534336?s=19

No not worrying, something you'd expect with a virus that is endemic at this stage.

ixoy · 06-10-2020 09:33AM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Hospitality is pretty much shut but other services and retail are pretty much open. The key risk right now remains in people’s homes and enforcement in this area needs to be looked at.

Indeed. A lot of focus on Level 5 being the solution but it doesn't make much of a change to one of the main transmission areas - the home and people visiting the home. There's one instead of none.

Outside of that, is there data to support what Levels 4/5 would assist with when the real issue is people not adhering to the basic guidelines? Or would the mere labelling of it as "Level 5" scare people more into complying and doing exactly the same thing asked of them at "Level 3"?

BringBackMick · 06-10-2020 09:34AM

As above have said, we need an additional 50 ICU beds in place for the winter if we want to try live along side virus

polesheep · 06-10-2020 09:34AM

s1ippy wrote: »

Ronan Glynn was the one being bullied by the government who think their "elected" positions have them some sort of divine right to rule. The information was being ignored and suppressed. Tony has returned in spite of his family circumstances because it's clear, in his professional opinion as a medical expert and with his knowledge of our health service, that the health service will be overwhelmed.

Stop letting your hatred of him and need for someone to blame cloud your faculties and try and actually see the facts.

https://twitter.com/fionamitchell56/status/1313374290318954496?s=20

No. Ronan Glynn works for the government. Holohan does too, only he doesn't realise it.

Hector Savage · 06-10-2020 09:35AM

I see the WHO are saying it's likely 10% of the worlds population have had covid, this further pushes the IFR down.

Meanwhile we will continue to destroy society to "defeat" a virus that is endemic and has a massive massive survival rate.

dmakc · 06-10-2020 09:35AM

From reading up these restrictions have far more in common with level 4 than level 3. They may aswell call it level 1 "with additional restrictions". The public take the government for fools but it's equally evident that the government rightfully take us for fools too

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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