Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

Thierry12 wrote: »

Death part at end of course was intriguing

Avg 1 per day in August, 2 per day in September, 3 per day in October

We might get 7 per day in December at that rate, other 77 deaths per day we get will be cancer, heart disease, lung disease etc?

We know worst case now

WHO data says its 0.13% death rate for Covid

6500 people or 17 people a day will die if all 5,000,000 here get it

They should just publish those figures

Look 85 a day die, 17 will be Covid

That's all

It may be 0.13 in parts of the developing world where most peopel are children. But it's clearly not the case in Europe, the US, South America. Like are you for real or just being facetious? Excess deaths in Madrid are 0.3% of the city's population, same with NYC,Mexico city, Lima..and cases are accelerating yet again in places like Madrid and NYC, therefore many people have not been infected, and the IFR is therefore considerably higher than 0.3%

Btw if you seriously believe the IFR is 0.13% then that means you believe 1/3 of the Irish population have been infected based onn our current number of deaths. This would of course be highly concentrated in Dublin and given the recent dramatic rise in cases in the city I think you can work out by yourself that this scenario is clearly not reality

Leo was fantastic tonight. Fair ****s to him.

The_Brood wrote: »

So according to Holohan we are doomed and if we do not go into Level 5 we have no hope. Nothing is speculative or probable in his wording, he is flat out saying we are doomed.

So...either we are failed by everyone and doom befalls us as Holohan warns.

Or that man must be criminally persecuted for sending the country into total panic.

Either way, all hell is to be set loose. You cannot have the Chief Medical Officer proclaiming that we are utterly doomed and the government saying it won't listen to him - someone here is massively wrong, and neither can afford to be.

To me, a key sentence in the letter is about disease modelling predicting cases of between 1600 - 2300 per day. I wonder if this modelling has been accurate in it's predictions so far. Interestingly, it wasn't something Varadkar referred to in the interview.

speckle wrote: »

If NEPHET resign, after that spat today, they have no backbone. That does not negate any good work that they have done in the past.

It could become very difficult for Tony Holohan to stay in charge. He gave advice, very clear advice and it's been rebuffed and leaked to the media. It's a political shitstorm waiting to get going. He couldn't have been clearer - and the government has chose to ignore that advice, publicly, and criticise that advice, publicly.

This is all politics now and I feel it's like rearranging deckchairs on the Titanic. He wasn't pulling those numbers and projections out of nowhere. This political posturing that's going on at the moment is happening while we are losing control of the spread of the virus. The politicians are trying to wrestle back control of this through politicking, but, fck me, how short are people's memories - they have not shown themselves to have any clue about how to fight this. And now they are going against public health advice that couldn't be any clearer or stark? I get a real bad feeling about this, all of this.

Just like FF and the spectacular f*ck up they caused with the financial crash, they're going down the route of another monumental f*ck up with this pandemic. After today, and ignoring the advice of NPHET, if things do get worse in the coming weeks they will have a huge amount to answer for and should never ever be in government again and FG won't be much better. Everyone congratulating Leo for tonight, it was only a few weeks ago he would of been public enemy number one. How people soon forget. And it will be the same when our health service goes to sh!t and the very same people calling Leo a hero tonight will be calling for his and the governments heads. Going against public health advice is a very bad move. As for the economy, we could just keep borrowing to some extent. Yes many businesses will go under and cause hardship for families but that's unfortunately life, same way it will happen in other countries. The main priority needs to be eradicating this virus. People bounce back and supports can be put in place. New businesses will open up. That's the way of life, always has been and always will be. We bounced back after the last recession when businesses crumbled. There's always someone new out there waiting to open up a new business.

Arghus wrote: »

It's amazing how willing people are to let the government off the hook for their many failings in handling all of this since the Summer - too numerous to mention - because Leo gave those bad guys in NPHET a public kicking.

Fianna Fail have the office of Taoiseach and Health and their approval rates are so low they're in danger of going out of existence. It's completely understandable that people react positively when Varadkar correctly identifies the mood of the nation and represents that articulately. That's not to say FG haven't had errors either but they're not the main ones to blame

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Fianna Fail have the office of Taoiseach and Health and their approval rates are so low they're in danger of going out of existence. It's completely understandable that people react positively when Varadkar correctly identifies the mood of the nation and represents that articulately. That's not to say FG haven't had errors either but they're not the main ones to blame

The current mood of the nation will have no bearing on where the virus numbers will be in a months time, if things keep going as they are.

Strumms wrote: »

Again, Holohan has only one agenda...keeping people well and alive. FG and this sleevin Varadkar and the rest of the FG money men right wing nutters can go and jump in a ditch.

It’s a pity as well meaning as Martin is, he doesn’t really have the personality for the battle he finds himself in, he just doesn’t. He may get us over the line but I dunno.

Martin looked like a beaten docket tonight making that speech.

Arghus wrote: »

The current mood of the nation will have no bearing on where the virus numbers will be in a months time, if things keep going as they are.

Ah shure little old Ireland should go out on its own, be an outlier for complete lockdown despite already having the most stringent lockdown in Europe at level 3, and case numbers on the lower end of the scale. We've a middle of the road hospital service here aswel, despite what some would like you to believe.

I cant get over the arrogance of some to think that we alone in this country have the answers and the rest of Europe don't. And that's not even referencing the point made that we may not be lent the funds to pay for a lockdown if we took that option. Leo may have been using that point for convenience but it's scary if true

Goldengirl wrote: »

No your examples are the tent for separation of Covid non vivid which I said has already been done here, but not a tent obviously .
As I have said a few times before calling for staff to come back is pointless as they won't be back or registered within 3 months .
So would be there for the third wave maybe .
HSE need to take the responsibility of hiring back nurses with specialist training who have emigrated , flying them home and paying them properly , which they won't .
They didn't even fasttrack re registration for these nurses , whi were left hanging around with agency work as HCAs until they could no longer afford it and went back to the country they came from .
Some could not do that due to lockdown .
Don't believe a word from that Paul Reid .

If you are inferring that I am naive enough to believe anything without back up data and research from anybody, including Paul Reid or the government etc. you have got me wrong.


All of the above that you posted re staff I know well. Yes, you are right re the HSE need to take a lead role and do much, much better. But that does not stop me, thinking ahead, creating ideas and forward planning. However, there is only so much one ordinary person like myself can do, and I have been trying my best since January.



It is really about my post stating there is a need, and yours for the posting the mistakes made and the obstacles to that, so ordinary people here know the issues, which they can bring to the social/media , their TD's or family members abroad, if we don't talk about it, no solution will be found and to hell with them/staff being here for any wave.:eek:



Regarding my examples, possibly you did not read all the links and only looked at the video. I included a research paper on the fully functionally 130 bed ICU, that yes, it was set up in a car park. Whether it is used for covid or non covid patients, well that's a choice. See my post on for example Kerry university Hospital re covid and covid separation, in this country.


And here is the video were the guy in charge discusses a little bit about it.
Sweden@2mins. florida@21mins, bahrain@42 mins, ICU field hospital @51mins, @1hr08mins. And yes, on their corona committee in Bahrain was an Irish guy, Prof. Martin Corbally


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-6Gf2iDJvM