Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

ForestFire · 05-10-2020 11:37PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/TheNotoriousMMA/status/1313242375754600450

Let's take personal responsibility.......??

Can someone let Conor know his been hacked

MrMusician18 · 05-10-2020 11:38PM

eleventh wrote: »

Whoever leaked it should be sacked anyway. It's not something that should happen again. Enough fear going around without adding to it.

What I found interesting is that the whole leaked letter hasn't been published. Claire byrne only had a snippet.

It would point perhaps to the leaker fearing that there were several slightly different versions of the letter circulated as an anti-leak measure.

spookwoman · 05-10-2020 11:40PM

majcos wrote: »

The 277 figure is referring to the number of ICU beds opened and staffed as of 6.30 pm on the 4th of October as in the HSE operations report yesterday. 238 of them were occupied and 39 were available for new admissions. Some of those would be ICU beds in sub specialist ICU units. For example, there could be an open ICU bed in the neurosurgery ICU but that would not be the right place to put a suspected or confirmed Covid case needing ICU care.

ICU open and staffed bed counts got up to over 400 during to Covid peak. This was done by a whole myriad of actions and processes. Additional areas of hospitals were repurposed to function as ICU beds. Theatre recovery areas for example that are normally occupied by patients who have just had operations were converted. Surgeries were cancelled to do that. Nurses operated through ‘buddy’ systems. One fully trained ICU nurse working with a nurse with less ICU experience to look after two patients at a 1:1 ratio but with extra pressure on both the experienced ICU and their buddy. Many ICU nurses did extra shifts. That can be done for a while but is not a long term solution as staff would quickly burnout. Staff in those critical care areas took no leave and staff were redeployed from teaching and management roles so that increased the bank of staff for a while.

13/04/2020 HSE operational report Nothing on how many Private beds. Later I see private mentioned and only a max of 25 available.
500 CC Beds, 415 Open and staffed, 280 occupied reserved, 144 covid in ICU, 135 Vacant CC beds
Goes up to 541 CC Beds, 428 occupied.

majcos · 05-10-2020 11:43PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If the issue is ICU beds, and I think the only issue is ICU beds, then surely a well placed call by Leo into Boris will sort that easily enough. The UK have literally thousands of mothballed ICU beds, which weren’t even used last time, let alone in this wave. There were 3,000 ICU beds in the London nightingale hospital alone. Or am I missing something

Moving a patient in ICU from one country to another is a big ordeal. Needs special transportation and staff. Even moving a patient from one ICU to another within Ireland is complex and depletes staffing. This was done in Ireland during Covid peak. When one hospital was reaching limit, patients were transferred out to other hospitals and regions with lower incidences and/or more ICU capacity to try and open up an ICU bed again in original hospital so that need for having to choose between patients would not happen.

05-10-2020 11:43PM

tom1ie wrote: »

Great to see the flu jab is so abundant.
Strange how I have to wait until November for mine......

Try O'Connell's Pharmacy

05-10-2020 11:44PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Some of the hysterical shrieking on the relaxation thread is so toxic. Some are thinly veiled anti vaxxers. Others are blatant ageist. I find it very sad that anybody would have such a myopic view on life. Very much a me fein attitude.

It's what hackers call a target rich environment. I'm not saying boards users are being hacked before anyone gets their knickers in a twist. Just that the sociopath and tin foil hat types are usually the easiest to compromise.

FintanMcluskey · 05-10-2020 11:45PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Some of the hysterical shrieking on the relaxation thread is so toxic. Some are thinly veiled anti vaxxers. Others are blatant ageist. I find it very sad that anybody would have such a myopic view on life. Very much a me fein attitude.

This attitude is an enormous road block when discussing Covid.

1/3 of Irish adults wont take a vaccine according to a survey conducted recently. Anti vaccine or not its a huge road block to the use of a vaccine.

The median age of death is 88 in Ireland, with 100 deaths occuring in ICU if the figures can be extracted correctly. This is also fair game for discussion as Covid is ageist unfortunately, not the discussion around it.

Now having been told by Sam Mconkey last March over 100k would die I think every aspect of Covid should be freely discussed without an attitude like above.

We are bombarded with case rates on a daily basis and arbitarty data like 57% of cases are under the age of 45, so I think discussion on who Covid effects and why, is important without throwing out terms like ageist and anti vaccer

TonyMaloney · 05-10-2020 11:46PM

majcos wrote: »

The 277 figure is referring to the number of ICU beds opened and staffed as of 6.30 pm on the 4th of October as in the HSE operations report yesterday. 238 of them were occupied and 39 were available for new admissions. Some of those would be ICU beds in sub specialist ICU units. For example, there could be an open ICU bed in the neurosurgery ICU but that would not be the right place to put a suspected or confirmed Covid case needing ICU care.

ICU open and staffed bed counts got up to over 400 during to Covid peak. This was done by a whole myriad of actions and processes. Additional areas of hospitals were repurposed to function as ICU beds. Theatre recovery areas for example that are normally occupied by patients who have just had operations were converted. Surgeries were cancelled to do that. Nurses operated through ‘buddy’ systems. One fully trained ICU nurse working with a nurse with less ICU experience to look after two patients at a 1:1 ratio but with extra pressure on both the experienced ICU and their buddy. Many ICU nurses did extra shifts. That can be done for a while but is not a long term solution as staff would quickly burnout. Staff in those critical care areas took no leave and staff were redeployed from teaching and management roles so that increased the bank of staff for a while.

I fear we have enough known cases already in the system that will eventually require ICU that our regular capacity will be breached regardless of what level we went to this evening, and they'll have you rearranging the hospitals again.

Arghus · 05-10-2020 11:47PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Some of the hysterical shrieking on the relaxation thread is so toxic. Some are thinly veiled anti vaxxers. Others are blatant ageist. I find it very sad that anybody would have such a myopic view on life. Very much a me fein attitude.

That thread is what it is and is a waste of time. Let them off.

Strumms · 05-10-2020 11:48PM

Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »

A lot of people here seem to be praising the government for standing up to NPHET. Showing them who's in charge, etc. It's bizarre, they're only trying to protect people. This isn't a win.

I’d rather listen to nphet. They have a singular agenda and focus, keeping us alive, healthy and well...I don’t trust these politicians.

stockshares · 05-10-2020 11:51PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

What I found interesting is that the whole leaked letter hasn't been published. Claire byrne only had a snippet.

It would point perhaps to the leaker fearing that there were several slightly different versions of the letter circulated as an anti-leak measure.

https://twitter.com/ZaraKing/status/1313213362432606211?s=19

Download here
https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/ba4aa0-letters-from-the-cmo-to-the-minister-for-health/#october

Non solum non ambulabit · 05-10-2020 11:54PM

There is a lack of understanding in the public what level 5 means.

Don't leave your home unless essential. Do not visit your family or friends. No visitors to your home. exercise within 5km.

Level 5 once implemented wil be in place for 12 weeks minimum. So Christmas was lost even if implemented today.

It is extreme and NPHET had no exit strategy out of it. Over winter months we were never going back to a lower level.

niallo27 · 05-10-2020 11:58PM

almostover wrote: »

It's going to be a career defining interview regardless of the result. If the price to pay wasnt death it would make for fantastic political entertainment. If level 3 works this government will look heroic for their common sense approach. If level 3 delays an inevitable slide to level 5 in the lead up to xmas then they are as good as finished. Big thing is that government is now driving the bus, if it crashes there's no one else to blame. I hope they've gotten it right

You make it sound like level 3 is some kinda wash your hands restrictions, you realise tens of thousands will be out of work tomorrow night again, probably for good this time. You realise we can't leave our county, its the harshest restrictions in all of Europe.

John O.Groats · 05-10-2020 11:59PM

Arghus wrote: »

That thread is what it is and is a waste of time. Let them off.

Agreed. It is of little or no value and with the majority of characters who post there being rabble rousers, trolls and ragtag nutjobs is it time to shut it down completely?

MrMusician18 · 06-10-2020 12:00AM

stockshares wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ZaraKing/status/1313213362432606211?s=19

Download here
https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/ba4aa0-letters-from-the-cmo-to-the-minister-for-health/#october

I stand corrected. Thanks.
The whole letter is an interesting read.

Thierry12 · 06-10-2020 12:03AM

stockshares wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ZaraKing/status/1313213362432606211?s=19

Download here
https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/ba4aa0-letters-from-the-cmo-to-the-minister-for-health/#october

Death part at end of course was intriguing

Avg 1 per day in August, 2 per day in September, 3 per day in October

We might get 7 per day in December at that rate, other 77 deaths per day we get will be cancer, heart disease, lung disease etc?

We know worst case now

WHO data says its 0.13% death rate for Covid

6500 people or 17 people a day will die if all 5,000,000 here get it

They should just publish those figures

Look 85 a day die, 17 will be Covid

That's all

06-10-2020 12:03AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

This attitude is an enormous road block when discussing Covid.

1/3 of Irish adults wont take a vaccine according to a survey conducted recently. Anti vaccine or not its a huge road block to the use of a vaccine.

The median age of death is 88 in Ireland, with 100 deaths occuring in ICU if the figures can be extracted correctly. This is also fair game for discussion as Covid is ageist unfortunately, not the discussion around it.

Now having been told by Sam Mconkey last March over 100k would die I think every aspect of Covid should be freely discussed without an attitude like above.

We are bombarded with case rates on a daily basis and arbitarty data like 57% of cases are under the age of 45, so I think discussion on who Covid effects and why, is important without throwing out terms like ageist and anti vaccer

The documentary "the social dilemma" is very relevant to that thread. People been socially engineered, it's sad to see. Vaccines are inherently good. People used to lose limbs to measles for God sake. Where is this study by the way?

Definitely could be one or two nefarious actors on it.

Edit: To clarify. I'm not suggesting Fintan is a nefarious actor.

MrMusician18 · 06-10-2020 12:03AM

niallo27 wrote: »

You make it sound like level 3 is some kinda wash your hands restrictions, you realise tens of thousands will be out of work tomorrow night again, probably for good this time. You realise we can't leave our county, its the harshest restrictions in all of Europe.

Unless these rules are underpinned by legislation and actually enforced, it will be a case of as you are.

I don't really have any real faith that the virus can be suppressed now as adherence has become so lax.

Arghus · 06-10-2020 12:04AM

It's amazing how willing people are to let the government off the hook for their many failings in handling all of this since the Summer - too numerous to mention - because Leo gave those bad guys in NPHET a public kicking.

WoollyRedHat · 06-10-2020 12:05AM

I find it interesting that people are so quick to believe it was NPHET and not politicians responsible for last night's leak. Didn't realize people had become so trusting of the latter, especially ones that have form for leaking information, as well as pretending they're not in government making decisions at any given opportunity. Their game is politics after all.

Leo certainly is playing a bold statregy, if cases and hospitalizations continue to go on an upward trend, despite national level 3 restrictions and we do have to go into next level restrictions, he will be in a difficult position, with a sense of only havint delayed the inevitable and with possible great cost. Like someone else mentioned, I hope it works.

440Hertz · 06-10-2020 12:06AM

I’ve been unimpressed at the amount of preparation done in the windows they had. For example, all the school preparation seemed minimal and appears to all be done at the last minute before opening.

The health system issues seem to be similar.

John O.Groats · 06-10-2020 12:12AM

Arghus wrote: »

It's amazing how willing people are to let the government off the hook for their many failings in handling all of this since the Summer - too numerous to mention - because Leo gave those bad guys in NPHET a public kicking.

Indeed and many of those who were castigating Leo a few weeks ago are now shouting his praises from the rooftops just because he had a go at NPHET tonight. You couldn`t make it up.

eleventh · 06-10-2020 12:13AM

Arghus wrote: »

It's amazing how willing people are to let the government off the hook for their many failings in handling all of this since the Summer - too numerous to mention - because Leo gave those bad guys in NPHET a public kicking.

Stockholm syndrome

speckle · 06-10-2020 12:14AM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

https://www.radiokerry.ie/no-critical-care-beds-currently-available-uhk/?fbclid=IwAR3otvunNjoLmeomUib85jiSUS68rwklsoPwk8-NmksrdNKXu_-Fvn4M1xE

No more critical care beds in Kerry

Kerry has always had problems. In recent years it lost its consultant cardiac specialist and had to close that ward. It still does not have a respiratory specialist on site.
The ICU consisted of 3/4 beds and two extra separate rooms at the end of the ward in an old building.

They managed to get a good cardiac specialist just at the start of covid, but still had to buy in time from the respiratory specialist in the near by private hospital, for serious covid patients. The do have a good team of anesthesiologists.

They also used the private public deal the best during covid, with the private hospital having one of the largest occupancy at circa 85% from a lot of public patients that were seen as outpatients or kept as inpatients.

They had two separate A and E areas for covid as well as separate wards, I happened to be on the phone to A and E, the first day they had no covid patients and I could hear their relief and jubilation as I congratulated them.

So even with as little as they have now, 2 covid and 2 suspected cases, the ordinary patients are too much. Last time some of the positive refugees were transferred to hospital in Cork. They also have a backlog of cases from earlier in the year as well as the usual ever long waiting lists.

However, that being said, Kerry did good job last time around with 6/7 deaths up to now, and covid didn't infect the nursing homes. How it will go this time around with no body knows yet.

But fair dues to the people of kerry and the medical staff, may they deal with the coming weeks just as effectively.

Paddygreen · 06-10-2020 12:16AM

I think we should use the next crucial three weeks to reflect on the death all around us.

Non solum non ambulabit · 06-10-2020 12:17AM

Level 3 has worked in Dublin. It can work nationwide.

TonyMaloney · 06-10-2020 12:19AM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Level 3 has worked in Dublin. It can work nationwide.

That is far less reassuring looking than you seem to realise

fritzelly · 06-10-2020 12:20AM

Was there a press conference?

spookwoman · 06-10-2020 12:21AM

speckle wrote: »

Kerry has always had problems. In recent years it lost its consultant cardiac specialist and had to close that ward. It still does not have a respiratory specialist on site.
The ICU consisted of 3/4 beds and two extra separate rooms at the end of the ward in an old building.

They managed to get a good cardiac specialist just at the start of covid, but still had to buy in time from the respiratory specialist in the near by private hospital, for serious covid patients. The do have a good team of anesthesiologists.

They also used the private public deal the best during covid, with the private hospital having one of the largest occupancy at circa 85% from a lot of public patients that were seen as outpatients or kept as inpatients.

They had two separate A and E areas for covid as well as separate wards, I happened to be on the phone to A and E, the first day they had no covid patients and I could hear their relief and jubilation as I congratulated them.

So even with as little as they have now, 2 covid and 2 suspected cases, the ordinary patients are too much. Last time some of the positive refugees were transferred to hospital in Cork. They also have a backlog of cases from earlier in the year as well as the usual ever long waiting lists.

However, that being said, Kerry did good job last time around with 6/7 deaths up to now, and covid didn't infect the nursing homes. How it will go this time around with no body knows yet.

But fair dues to the people of kerry and the medical staff, may they deal with the coming weeks just as effectively.

Latest Trolley watch for them is
5/10/2020 University Hospital Kerry Trolley=23 ward=0
cork not much better at 32.
Limerick stay away @ 39=Trolley 20=ward

Rjd2 · 06-10-2020 12:22AM

Deleted User wrote: »

The documentary "the social dilemma" is very relevant to that thread. People been socially engineered, it's sad to see. Vaccines are inherently good. People used to lose limbs to measles for God sake. Where is this study by the way?

Definitely could be one or two nefarious actors on it.

Edit: To clarify. I'm not suggesting Fintan is a nefarious actor.

The issue with the vaccine for people is they are wary of been guinea pigs for it, I know speaking to some, the feeling is they want to see if it has any negative effects initially before they take it.

I know the anti vaccine lot in many countries are mainly fringe right wing lunatics, but its lacking nuance to suggest those in Ireland who are wary of a vaccine are the same.

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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