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Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,233 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    And?? You wont see me disagree with what you've said.

    Point was being made in the context of people out doing Christmas shopping today, couldn't blame them for heading out today when being skeptical of it only being 4 weeks hence people out today getting a few things. That was the point being made

    Yes you certainly can blame them. The problem we are in is because we head out too much for non essential reasons. Rushing out to do the non essentials before it becomes more difficult to do, only accelerates the process.

    There are things we absolutely can do, and things we absolutely should do. Sometimes they are very different, but if people don't figure that out for themselves, they will never get the point, even when it is explained to them.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 396 ✭✭Open the Pubs


    So it's political game playing from NPHET ask for Level 5 get Level 4. Level 4 is still absurd, most counties are in Level 2 at the moment. May as well tank the levels altogether they are not being followed.

    The restrictions are still extremely harsh on Level 4, and will lead to tens if not hundreds of thousands of job losses and business closures, this time many permanently.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,610 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Thought Cabinent weren't meeting until later? https://twitter.com/Philip_Ryan/status/1313127740736970753?s=19

    So we’re just gonna kick it all down the line until it gets worse.

    This is going be a S-storm


    Also cabinet isn’t until half 5?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog



    common sense prevails. the enforcement is key here. we need fines for people attending house parties.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,729 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Minister communicating effectively in an adult manner?

    Best interests of public health then all advice. Plus talk of level 3 now. Who knows tbh


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,801 ✭✭✭Benimar


    Give Leo a few minutes to get to a computer.

    ...and there you go!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,014 ✭✭✭Miike



    Same lad tweeted last night NPHET recommended level 3 to government when everyone else was reporting 5.

    Lets see how the cabinet meeting turns out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Minister communicating effectively in an adult manner?

    They were acting in their own interest when they let students rent their apartments before announcing colleges will be mostly online. They've changed NPHET wording or factory outbreaks to work place outbreaks. This government has their own interests first


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,463 ✭✭✭shinzon



    Thought they werent meeting till later how does he know theyve rejected it

    :confused::confused::confused:

    Shin


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,174 ✭✭✭✭Gael23




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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Hopefully people got the message with the threat. Don't get complacent.

    Guards need to be visible and taking action.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,306 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    Was talking with some one from work about this lockdown business. He said something very interesting... Not sure if there is anything to it.

    But all these multipack crisps, chocolates and cola that people are buying ahead of Halloween parties from the likes of Lidl, aldi, Dunnes etc. Strong sales figures that show people are gonna be still having parties.

    That the government could be looking at this too. I dunno ... Just an interesting thing they said.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,801 ✭✭✭Benimar


    Gael23 wrote: »

    Whether this is the right or wrong decision is irrelevant,....there is no way this should be getting leaked to the press BEFORE a Cabinet meeting to decide it!


  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Gael23 wrote: »

    Level 3 plus enforcement is more or less what the rest of Europe is doing. Makes sense to me


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 443 ✭✭Kh1993


    Benimar wrote: »
    Whether this is the right or wrong decision is irrelevant,....there is no way this should be getting leaked to the press BEFORE a Cabinet meeting to decide it!

    Either should the NPHET letter before it. Fighting through the media isn’t a good look all round.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,075 ✭✭✭MarkY91


    froog wrote: »
    common sense prevails. the enforcement is key here. we need fines for people attending house parties.

    Exactly.

    We have too many tinfoil hat idiots who need to be forced to follow the rules which is impossible with our laughing stock of a police force.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Personally I’d prefer if they come clean about things. I understand why they don’t, but I’d much prefer if they stated what a lot of us have known for along time:

    - this is most likely going to be the situation until April/May (erratic rolling restrictions depending on compliance)

    - the reason the government have to intervene is not because they want to or because NEPHET have a massive ego and want to run the country. It’s because people are not being vigilant enough and not adhering to the advice being given, when that happens there is a cost, it’s that simple. This is not blame, this is making a statement of fact that people don’t want to hear

    - Herd immunity or whatever way you want to phrase it is not feasible in Ireland without either massive infrastructure change in our hospitals or a vaccine. Letting it run through our population will potentially destroy our healthcare system.

    - house parties don’t Happen because pubs are closed, people make a conscious decision to not comply with health guidance that puts everybody in danger.

    - a decision was made on schools in the importance of what is greater good of society. There are risks associated with children in school and the spread but government felt that schools being open represented a niche area of society where the benefits of opening outweighed the benefits of locking them down. They are not special environments where the virus doesn’t spread, but society benefits more with them open that sets them apart from most other industry’s/business.

    - masks have been made mandatory because there is enough evidence now that suggests even if the mask doesn’t completely change work, there’s a very strong chance it reduces your potential exposure to the virus and can even reduce the severity of the dose of COVID you get (viral load). Part of the reason masks were not initially recommended was because we needed to get them to healthcare workers. We also know more now then we did 7 months ago.

    - recommend that all adults or people over 12 maintain good VIT D, VIT C
    And zinc levels. This may help provide some protection to the virus. This is not a panacea, this is but one small strategy in a line of multiple strategies, every little helps

    - Clarify that government will not let country go bankrupt. Make this clear we say. Every step taken has an economic cost, this includes the cost of not taking steps. Make it clear that the decisions Made have factored in the costs of the strategy on all levels and factors in how long we can afford same.

    - clarify that any decision being considered is not targeting any particular industry for any other reason then how this industry impacts on the spread. Answer specific questions honestly on why certain industry’s - people hey sloppy when they drink , let their guard down and are more likely to get infected

    - come up with some mental health supports and advice. Zoom isn’t the same to be honest.

    - don’t sugar coat things. I said months ago on here that if I owned a pub I’d be thinking I will be lucky if I can open up properly until April. This is not about being pessimistic, it’s setting realistic targets. Between now and april every business Should be factoring in open/close protocols and plans. I know it’s not feasible for everybody, but to ignore it because it won’t work or suit you is negligent. This is very unfortunate but this is the reality facing you

    - the country will survive. 100 years ago we were in civil war. This feels awful, depressing , scary and extremely unnerving. But the whole world is suffering , we aren’t on our own. Despite what people think of the EU there is strength in numbers when we are part of it. Look at Italy and spain, they will not be let go under, neither will Ireland because the cost of letting us go under is way more to the EU then the cost of them bailing us out. That’s looking at worst case scenario that I don’t anticipate. It’s the uncertainty driving peoples fears, honestly don’t believe it will be as bad economically for the country as some feel

    - government is stepping up funding for alternative strategies (sniffer dogs, airport vetting , see what works in other countries etc) and intends on adding these depending on how they feel it will suit/compliment our population

    - research website that is totally optional (compliment to Covid app). Basically people sign in with a profile and answer questions that may help authorities spot trends or habits unique to Irish people that can help influence government restrictions. Most people won’t want to do this but I’m not paranoid about the intentions. It’s ironic how protective people get about their information being used when they are effectively giving it all for free to private social media companies.

    I’m sure there’s other stuff I could think of but we need clear and intelligible leadership.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,960 ✭✭✭DeanAustin


    Gradius wrote: »
    No reason whatsoever to restrict goods in or out.

    Every reason to stop people coming and going willy nilly.

    They suspect goods coming in and out of NZ caused the virus to get back in.

    I think everyone would agree about coming willy nilly but to effectively get to zero covid you'd have to stop people coming in and out full stop. Are you advocating that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC



    They had to be seen to be doing something but were definitely reluctant to go to level 5

    NPHET won't be happy


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    So we’re just gonna kick it all down the line until it gets worse.

    This is going be a S-storm


    Also cabinet isn’t until half 5?
    The main ministers and party leaders were at the CMO meeting so if that's the position the Cabinet should concur. I'd call it preparing people for the worst. Now we know that NPHET will go for Level 5 and that the government might agree.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,610 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    Benimar wrote: »
    Whether this is the right or wrong decision is irrelevant,....there is no way this should be getting leaked to the press BEFORE a Cabinet meeting to decide it!

    Which is why I don’t think is fully correct

    Yesterday weren’t the Indo reporting that level 5 wasn’t even being mentioned?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    Eod100 wrote: »

    The most intelligent Minister in government.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,293 ✭✭✭billybonkers


    Serious mixed messages floating about now

    They'll have to announce something this evening


  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This hasn’t made Tony look good on his first day back. His own fault


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,233 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    Level 3 plus enforcement is more or less what the rest of Europe is doing. Makes sense to me

    The rest of Europe, generally speaking, has a better health service than we do. We started off in a bad place with ICU bed coverage and didn't make enough progress for a 'normal' winter surge, never mind one with added Covid.

    Get your flu shots everybody - help reduce the hospital bed demand, at least on one aspect anyway.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 396 ✭✭Open the Pubs


    Level 3 does that mean Donegal or Dublin current restrictions? Seeing as there are 2 Level 3s in play.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭Rx713B


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    They had to be seen to be doing something but were definitely reluctant to go to level 5

    NPHET won't be happy

    There will be issues in a couple of weeks if things happen to spiral out of control.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    the first presser after this is going to be an absolute ****show.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus



    You've fallen for his attempt at increased post traffic. Social Media 101.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭Goldrickssan


    All those people who queued a few hours for Christmas presents earlier will be raged


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