Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Tacitus Kilgore · 05-10-2020 12:28PM

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Dont forget the BLM protests at the heights of it

And cheltenham, and high profile funerals, and and and and

05-10-2020 12:30PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

If ever a more pertinent example was needed of the dangers of groupthink, it is that committee.

All these single-issue 'experts' clucking away at each other in a cozy, protected and well-remunerated bubble, while the economy burns down around them.

It’s a massively important singe issue that warrants the full attention of the nation. A fact lost of the anti-restrictions crowd who would have us destroyed with the virus I’d they got their way and the country in a far bigger mess than restrictions ever will.

TomTomTim · 05-10-2020 12:32PM

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

If ever a more pertinent example was needed of the dangers of groupthink, it is this thread

All these single-issue 'experts' clucking away at each other in a cozy thread on a message board

Not really. It's far healthier to question these things than blindly go along with them. The outcome you want, blind obedience, would be a far worse example of group think.

Captain_Crash · 05-10-2020 12:35PM

Do NPHET members get paid? I've been trying to find out but cant find anything regarding remuneration. I've heard people say that they don't get paid as its part of their existing responsibilities in whatever HSE/DOH role they currently hold, and others say they get paid a fortune.

Interestingly, while looking for details regarding them being paid, I found out who decides if and when NPHET stand down... you'll never guess who it is... go on have a try! haha

Royale with Cheese · 05-10-2020 12:35PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

I want them up in front of a select committee where they turn over their data and demonstrate the logic which is underpinning these 'recommendations'.

We are adding billions of debt to the country and destroying hundreds of thousands of viable jobs - where is the accountability? Why are the media and TD's not clambering for the justifications?

7 months into this nonsense and we still have government by social media kite flying and hysterical headlines in the state media.

I have visions of senior NPHET members five years down the line telling a tribunal at the time they thought the ends justified their means.

Tacitus Kilgore · 05-10-2020 12:36PM

TomTomTim wrote: »

Not really. It's far healthier to question these things than blindly go along with them. The outcome you want, blind obedience, would be a far worse example of group think.

Ehm, what outcome do I want?

I'm just here to point out that the poster referring to NPHET as an echo chamber, would want to take a look around the glass house before he starts casting stones.

He's pretty much been writing the same posts, being thanked by the same handful of posters, around the clock, 7 days a week since February. The very book on echo chambers is being written by a few posters in here :pac:

Coybig_ · 05-10-2020 12:38PM

Nobody cares about mental health anymore because people are allowed to die or suffer from anything as long as it's not covid.

WHO survey shows that critical mental health services have been disrupted in 93 percent of countries due to Covid 19.

This includes over 60 percent of countries surveyed reporting disruptions to mental health services to vulnerable people. 65 percent reporting disruptions to critical harm reduction services. 35 percent of countries reported disruptions to emergency interventions - such as those experiencing severe substance use withdrawal symptoms.

https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/05-10-2020-covid-19-disrupting-mental-health-services-in-most-countries-who-survey

Clown show. We will look back on this time period as one of the most shameful examples of collective mismanagement in human history.

SAMTALK · 05-10-2020 12:38PM

Firstly I don't agree with a lockdown and dread to think what it would do to the country

Social media awash with people having a go at the government and NPHET.

Over the weekend I started to have a good look around and to be honest we need to take some blame for the rise in numbers and realise that it is up to us to do our best. NPHET and Government putting guideline and restrictions in place are not worth the paper they're written on if we dont take personal responsibility
People wearing masks under their nose / chin . Dirty masks. Not sanatising when entering / leaving shops. Standing too close to people. Sporting events leading to wild celebrations. Protests on the streets. House parties/communion /christening parties. I know most people following guidelines but not enough

Im sick of people saying they have enough and wont be adhering to regulations any more. We've all had enough but the government / NPHET are not doing this to punish us. Do people really thing they want to see business close and the country go back to recession?

Back in March people screaming for lockdown, the pictures of beautiful gardens etc all over social media, Now people see the reality of a long harsh winter ahead and it's not attractive. Shouting for airports / borders to be closed when the reality is we could not do this.

Yes they got a lot wrong, testing, tracing , quarantining etc but going against the guidelines is not going to make it right

Tacitus Kilgore · 05-10-2020 12:39PM

Coybig_ wrote: »

Nobody cares about mental health anymore because people are allowed to die or suffer from anything as long as it's not covid.

WHO survey shows that critical mental health services have been disrupted in 93 percent of countries due to Covid 19.

This includes over 60 percent of countries surveyed reporting disruptions to mental health services to vulnerable people. 65 percent reporting disruptions to critical harm reduction services. 35 percent of countries reported disruptions to emergency interventions - such as those experiencing severe substance use withdrawal symptoms.

https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/05-10-2020-covid-19-disrupting-mental-health-services-in-most-countries-who-survey

Clown show. We will look back on this time period as one of the most shameful examples of collective mismanagement in human history.

That's fairly dramatic now :pac: Unless your view is that human history only commenced in 2020.

Coybig_ · 05-10-2020 12:40PM

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

That's fairly dramatic now :pac: Unless your view is that human history only commenced in 2020.

Really? The effects of this nonsense will be felt for generations.

sabat · 05-10-2020 12:41PM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Interestingly, while looking for details regarding them being paid, I found out who decides if and when NPHET stand down... you'll never guess who it is... go on have a try! haha

Enlighten us please.

Tacitus Kilgore · 05-10-2020 12:43PM

Coybig_ wrote: »

Really? The effects of this nonsense will be felt for generations.

Certainly

I don't even know where to begin with a list of worse things that have happened to the human race, that were made worse by mis-management.

Jesus christ man, even the 1918 flu, the easiest and most obvious thing you can use to compare was much much worse, and was barely even managed, let alone managed badly.

Tacitus Kilgore · 05-10-2020 12:43PM

sabat wrote: »

Enlighten us please.

I'm going to take a guess at the NWO or George Soros.

_Kaiser_ · 05-10-2020 12:44PM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Interestingly, while looking for details regarding them being paid, I found out who decides if and when NPHET stand down... you'll never guess who it is... go on have a try! haha

I'm going to guess the CMO himself?

Ginger n Lemon · 05-10-2020 12:45PM

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Ehm, what outcome do I want?

I'm just here to point out that the poster referring to NPHET as an echo chamber, would want to take a look around the glass house before he starts casting stones.

He's pretty much been writing the same posts, being thanked by the same handful of posters, around the clock, 7 days a week since February. The very book on echo chambers is being written by a few posters in here :pac:

Who is that poster? He has been right since February and that should be acknowledged.

NPHET on the other hand......... keeps blaming the public. Its funny that isnt, cases are low = our restrictions are working. cases are high = public is to blame.

When does the NPHET/govt get the blame, if ever? Nice setup they got, havent done anything wrong since March. Havent done anything about healthcare system also. But lets blame average Joe for that :rolleyes:

Captain_Crash · 05-10-2020 12:47PM

sabat wrote: »

Enlighten us please.

"Evaluating the health service’s capacity is done with a view to standing NPHET down eventually. That decision will be made by Dr Holohan in consultation with other members."

_Kaiser_ · 05-10-2020 12:49PM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

"Evaluating the health service’s capacity is done with a view to standing NPHET down eventually. That decision will be made by Dr Holohan in consultation with other members."

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I'm going to guess the CMO himself?

Yay! What do I win!

Captain_Crash · 05-10-2020 12:52PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Yay! What do I win!

ermmm... an extra day at level 3.75(a).23b

Tacitus Kilgore · 05-10-2020 12:52PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Who is that poster? He has been right since February and that should be acknowledged.

NPHET on the other hand......... keeps blaming the public. Its funny that isnt, cases are low = our restrictions are working. cases are high = public is to blame.

When does the NPHET/govt get the blame, if ever? Nice setup they got, havent done anything wrong since March. Havent done anything about healthcare system also. But lets blame average Joe for that :rolleyes:

It's certainly not you anyway so don't be sticking that hand up :pac:

NPHET are an advisory board, they aren't transmitting any virus -

You're looking at this whole thing through an Us V Them / schoolkids vs teachers lens.

What blame do you want to put on them? what will it achieve? It seems you already are blaming them so blame away for all the good it will do. They're still best placed to decide what to do. I certainly don't think I'm better qualified to make the decisions anyway, my doctorate in reading shit on the internet has been put back due to coronavirus. Luckily my understanding that things change in an ever evolving situation is well engrained, I can accept that new advice can contradict older advice as situations evolve (see masks/face coverings). I'm not looking at it blindly, I'm looking at the global response and accepting that - while we're doing things slightly differently to other countries - the response isn't that different as a whole.

Unfortunately for us - it is average Joe spreading the disease, NPHET aren't driving around firing it out of the back of a van at people like.

dalyboy · 05-10-2020 12:56PM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

"Evaluating the health service’s capacity is done with a view to standing NPHET down eventually. That decision will be made by Dr Holohan in consultation with other members."

So there he is now ... Ireland’s very own equivalent to Vladimir Putin. Yayyyyy

Ginger n Lemon · 05-10-2020 12:57PM

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

It's certainly not you anyway so don't be sticking that hand up :pac:

NPHET are an advisory board, they aren't transmitting any virus -

You're looking at this whole thing through an Us V Them / schoolkids vs teachers lens.

What blame do you want to put on them? what will it achieve? It seems you already are blaming them so blame away for all the good it will do. They're still best placed to decide what to do. I certainly don't think I'm better qualified to make the decisions anyway, my doctorate in reading shit on the internet has been put back due to coronavirus. Luckily my understanding that things change in an ever evolving situation is well engrained, I can accept that new advice can contradict older advice as situations evolve (see masks/face coverings). I'm not looking at it blindly, I'm looking at the global response and accepting that - while we're doing things slightly differently to other countries - the response isn't that different as a whole.

Unfortunately for us - it is average Joe spreading the disease, NPHET aren't driving around firing it out of the back of a van at people like.

That in bold.

Aye, a little bit different. Ireland: wet pubs closed since 20th of March to 21 September.

EU countries - all pubs opened by 4th of July.

You are quite a NPHET supporter arent you. Whatever their change of opinion you just keep clapping "yeah international evidence suggests"

Tacitus Kilgore · 05-10-2020 01:01PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

That in bold.

Aye, a little bit different. Ireland: wet pubs closed since 20th of March to 21 September.

EU countries - all pubs opened by 4th of July.

You are quite a NPHET supporter arent you. Whatever their change of opinion you just keep clapping "yeah international evidence suggests"

Ah, so anything other than pubs then?

No, I'm not, as such -

(do you not see how weird that comment is? This... isn't an election or a football match?) but I'll play along - when the 'other team' is a viral disease i would find it difficult not to support the side who's aims are to protect people from the viral disease...

Does that make you a cheerleader for covid19 then? 'Cos that's seriously fucking weird.

_Kaiser_ · 05-10-2020 01:04PM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

ermmm... an extra day at level 3.75(a).23b

Um.. can I take the cash equivalent?

Ginger n Lemon · 05-10-2020 01:04PM

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Ah, so anything other than pubs then?

No, I'm not, as such - (do you not see how weird that comment is? This... isn't an election?) but I'll play along - when the 'other team' is a viral disease i would find it difficult not to support the side who's aims are to protect people from the viral disease...

Does that make you a cheerleader for covid19 then? 'Cos that's seriously fucking weird.

Schools.

I also wonder, what other EU country had 28% unemployment in April, going down to 15% in September. Can you please help me? We seem to be putting a lot of extra people out of work than other countries....

Tacitus Kilgore · 05-10-2020 01:05PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Schools.

I also wonder, what other EU country had 28% unemployment in April, going down to 15% in September. Can you please help me? We seem to be putting a lot of extra people out of work than other countries....

Right I'll go with you.

the NPHET are actively trying to destroy the economy, and health of everyone in the country.

Can you just tell me why they are doing it please, seeing as you are certain that it's malicious

Rrrrrr2 · 05-10-2020 01:06PM

So if this utter madness gets the nod, the Pup payment will only be €300 this time? Along with no mortgage breaks etc like the last failed madness?
This is insanity now. All those cheerleading this rubbish- take a good long look at yourselves. Is your business and job about to go down the toilet as a result? What are you actually sacrificing?

KaneToad · 05-10-2020 01:11PM

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Right I'll go with you.

the NPHET are actively trying to destroy the economy, and health of everyone in the country.

Can you just tell me why they are doing it please, seeing as you are certain that it's malicious

Bill Gates, Soros and the Bilderberg group.

Jizique · 05-10-2020 01:15PM

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

If ever a more pertinent example was needed of the dangers of groupthink, it is this thread

All these single-issue 'experts' clucking away at each other in a cozy thread on a message board

At lest on this thread there are a wide range of views and opinions discussed

Tacitus Kilgore · 05-10-2020 01:18PM

Jizique wrote: »

At lest on this thread there are a wide range of views and opinions discussed

And you honestly don't think that's also the case with the NPHET?

Ashleigh1986 · 05-10-2020 01:19PM

At the height of the virus outbreak there was over 900 people in hospital ...a few months later there is just over 100 people in hospital ..... Whatever about nphet looking for a lockdown if this government hasn't the balls to make decisions with just 100 people out of a population of nearly 5 million needing hospital assistance.
Let those figures sink in ...100 out of a population of nearly 5 million and they want to close a countries economy for a second time ???
Grow some balls ... But than again look at the people leading us .
There jobs / salaries will not be effected .

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings