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Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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  • #8072
    j8wk2feszrnpao
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭j8wk2feszrnpao


    Hand in Your Pants wrote: »
    Nope. It is less lethal but more contagious.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/summer-flu-is-now-more-deadly-than-covid

    No it’s not. And that’s from scientists in the field. We’ve taken enormous measures worldwide to stem this new virus, without which the numbers would be even measurably worse.


  • #8073
    ednwireland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,018 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    Juwwi wrote: »
    its a disgrace that we dont we went through the Celtic Tiger and didnt improve the hospital situation .

    its a disgrace allright but only because all sides dont have the balls to tear down the whole structure and rebuild it with the inevitable management and other layoffs and the rest of the chaos it would cause. and anyone who instigated such change would never be re-elected.

    "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others" - Winston Churchill

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



  • #8074
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,972 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »
    Not too familiar. Let's present the full picture.
    snip
    The difference in trajectory between deaths in March/April vs now is quite clear.
    It's almost as if there were deaths earlier in the year that simply weren't detected.


  • #8075
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,406 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    New Home wrote: »
    Exactly! They didn't become battle hardened overnight, either, and I'm sure they'd have preferred not to have to. Ditto for the people in war-torn areas, or living under a dictatorship. This is for the common good.




    Some people do not care about the common good, their interest starts and ends with themselves and only their short-term interest at that.


  • #8076
    Blondini
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    I'd say Joe Duffy is gone into an orgasmic coma imagining tomorrow's liveline.


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  • #8077
    SeaBreezes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    I have to say this again

    Also Israel overwhelmed again, iran on wave three and young hospital workers dying.

    What I dont get is why people think there is a CHOICE.

    Let the disease run riot and the mortality rate is horrific and the economy tanks ANYWAY.

    Every single country that hasnt controlled the virus is also doing dreadfully economically too.

    NO government wants lockdown. Nobody wants lockdown. We want a world pre pandemic.

    Unfortunately, looking around the world, the only way to get back there is via virus control.

    I love the sniffer dogs idea.

    Planes, trains, buses, restaurents. Instant check and virus control as long as the dogs dont get it too.

    And we are still coming to terms with the long term effects of this. It ages T cells. So, every time you get it, your immune system suffers a little more. Leaving you more open to other viruses cancers etc. Its one of the reasons its death rate increases with age.

    It may turn out that the older of us, will have stronger immune systems in the next 10 years than kids who have been passing this virus back and forwards.
    (Though childrens immune systems can recreate damaged cells) but this virus has HIV similarities in the way it infects us. Its NOT the same as it doesnt seem to replicate in the cell, but similar in mechanism.

    One paper produced in march warning us it aged Tcells was pulled as it had been tested on lab Tcells not human. Same results now published on human cells. Awaiting peer review.

    This is why govs have no choice but to proceed with caution. Because after your infected, 'we thought it was just the flu' doesnt cut it, if your immune system now comes from a bottle. We just dont know. And have to err on the side of caution.

    Of course i think the 'its just the flu' brigade will eventually be right. When science has mastered the virus, when we have vaccinations, when we know how to treat it better. Then yes, it will be just the flu.Hopefully.

    But right now.its hard choices.
    Every decision sucks.
    Its a pandemic. Life cannot return to normal until we have it under control or it has wiped out as many of us as it can. Thats herd immunity and it comes with a very high mortality price. IF its possible at all. Iran and sweden dont seem to indicate it is.


  • #8078
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    seamus wrote: »
    Many care, because the personal and social cost of cancelling all outpatient appointments, closing businesses permanently, and removing peoples' only social outlets, will be far more than taking a nuanced approach here.

    I see lots of people on Twitter saying things like, "We did it once, we can do it again". But I can only imagine none of these people are really struggling.
    A 3 month payment break on your mortgage will be no use when your business is gone.
    "We're saving lives" is scant comfort when your chemo has been cancelled.
    "It's only four weeks" might as well be a lifetime when you're suffering a deep depression.

    We did it once before, and that's exactly why it would be worse the second time around. Because we know it won't be temporary or a one-off. That it will be rolling lockdown for the next year at least, with every one killing a few more businesses, killing a few more people and ruining a few more peoples' mental health.

    A better approach is required.
    Nail on head, Seamus.


  • #8079
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Hand in Your Pants wrote: »
    I see we are coming out with the WW2 clichés again. Next we'll be out at midnight clapping for the "front line medics".

    Merely making an observation that some of the hysterics at what people may be asked to do in terms of advice is a bit OTT.

    Sit at home for a few weeks and watch Netflix. Enjoy you local parks and amenities within the 5km.

    Get the numbers back down and learn from the mistakes of the last easing of restrictions and go again this time with a full reopening of the pubs in time for Christmas and unannounced inspections of the meat factories.

    Learn from the mistakes and adjust. The reality is if the numbers keep climbing at the rate they are it will be a very bleak Christmas for many families as they lose loved ones.


  • #8080
    Sawduck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,717 ✭✭✭Sawduck


    When will we find out if we are going back into level 5 restrictions


  • #8081
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    The only certainty is that we will exceed 10000 posts at some stage tomorrow given the trajectory this evening.


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  • #8082
    Mwengwe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭Mwengwe


    **** this lads.


  • #8083
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    irishrover99 wrote: »
    A mate just texted me saying that the army are going in at midnight tomorrow night. Jaysus

    Your mate is talking through his h*le.


  • #8084
    sheepsh4gger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭sheepsh4gger


    Sawduck wrote: »
    When will we find out if we are going back into level 5 restrictions


    Erm I think tomorrow the politicians will make the announcement. They were advised today to put stuff on level 5 but will make official tomorrow.


  • #8085
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,139 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    We closed down the country and locked ourselves at home for precisely that reason, to give the HSE time to build up the medical facilities, they didn't... They have the 2nd highest budget apart from social welfare which will need €billions more to support the high level of unemployment coming over the next couple of months..
    For months on end we masked up, we kept our distance we worked from home, we stopped socialising, so for people like you to come on here and tell us to "Do the right thing" is insulting to the majority of people and is pure b.llox...

    It’s insulting? They should be fûcking insulted, damn right.

    Building up facilities is useless unless you have people to staff them.

    It’s not like the country can produce consultants, doctors, nurses, carers, out of a hat. Literally years of studying across the scope of expertise there.

    So you are too busy throwing out insults to be of the ability to get a grip of the reality we are now facing...


  • #8086
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,972 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    IBEC not happy.
    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1312877979484205063?s=20


  • #8087
    Goldrickssan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭Goldrickssan


    First locdown started when we had 68 ICU and 380 Hospital cases.

    Today we have 21 ICU and 134 Hospital cases.

    Have we been preparing for this or just fingering ourselves silly for the past 7 months? Looking at these figures it looks like we've gone backwards.


  • #8088
    SusanC10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SusanC10


    I muted the phone for a few hours and feel like I have come back to the Twilight Zone! Level 5 already!


  • #8089
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,067 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »
    Not too familiar. Let's present the full picture.
    I think the concern is that just as the 3000 cases correspond to the 30 deaths on the right-hand side of your graph three weeks later, today's 6700 deaths will translate to 67 deaths in three weeks time. Obviously we don't want either number increasing.


  • #8090
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Sawduck wrote: »
    When will we find out if we are going back into level 5 restrictions
    After it is filtered through government. They'll be talking to the CMO tomorrow and one would expect some form of decision in the next few days. Smarter money would be on a Level 3/4 arrangement rather than a straight Level 5.


  • #8091
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    disgraceful videos of GAA celebrations doing the rounds.


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  • #8092
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    IBEC not happy.
    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1312877979484205063?s=20

    IBEC are never happy


  • #8093
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,762 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    McConkey wants level 5, he doesn't know what side of the fence he's on each week, must have splinters up his arse at this stage
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/moving-to-level-5-restrictions-is-a-no-brainer-says-specialist-1.4371992?mode=amp


  • #8094
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,309 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »
    Not too familiar. Let's present the full picture.
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=528296&d=1601849172

    Come back to me in a months time.

    Cause and effect.

    Some believe gravity can be defied.

    Sadly not.


  • #8095
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    SusanC10 wrote: »
    I muted the phone for a few hours and feel like I have come back to the Twilight Zone! Level 5 already!
    Not decided yet by government.


  • #8096
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    SusanC10 wrote: »
    I muted the phone for a few hours and feel like I have come back to the Twilight Zone! Level 5 already!
    SusanC10 wrote: »
    I muted the phone for a few hours and feel like I have come back to the Twilight Zone! Level 5 already!
    SusanC10 wrote: »
    I muted the phone for a few hours and feel like I have come back to the Twilight Zone! Level 5 already!
    SusanC10 wrote: »
    I muted the phone for a few hours and feel like I have come back to the Twilight Zone! Level 5 already!

    Should have posted this one more time, once for each level.


  • #8097
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    I have to say this again

    Also Israel overwhelmed again, iran on wave three and young hospital workers dying.

    What I dont get is why people think there is a CHOICE.

    Let the disease run riot and the mortality rate is horrific and the economy tanks ANYWAY.

    Every single country that hasnt controlled the virus is also doing dreadfully economically too.

    NO government wants lockdown. Nobody wants lockdown. We want a world pre pandemic.

    Unfortunately, looking around the world, the only way to get back there is via virus control.

    I love the sniffer dogs idea.

    Planes, trains, buses, restaurents. Instant check and virus control as long as the dogs dont get it too.

    And we are still coming to terms with the long term effects of this. It ages T cells. So, every time you get it, your immune system suffers a little more. Leaving you more open to other viruses cancers etc. Its one of the reasons its death rate increases with age.

    It may turn out that the older of us, will have stronger immune systems in the next 10 years than kids who have been passing this virus back and forwards.
    (Though childrens immune systems can recreate damaged cells) but this virus has HIV similarities in the way it infects us. Its NOT the same as it doesnt seem to replicate in the cell, but similar in mechanism.

    One paper produced in march warning us it aged Tcells was pulled as it had been tested on lab Tcells not human. Same results now published on human cells. Awaiting peer review.

    This is why govs have no choice but to proceed with caution. Because after your infected, 'we thought it was just the flu' doesnt cut it, if your immune system now comes from a bottle. We just dont know. And have to err on the side of caution.

    Of course i think the 'its just the flu' brigade will eventually be right. When science has mastered the virus, when we have vaccinations, when we know how to treat it better. Then yes, it will be just the flu.Hopefully.

    But right now.its hard choices.
    Every decision sucks.
    Its a pandemic. Life cannot return to normal until we have it under control or it has wiped out as many of us as it can. Thats herd immunity and it comes with a very high mortality price. IF its possible at all. Iran and sweden dont seem to indicate it is.

    It has nothing in common with HIV apart from the fact it's a virus


  • #8098
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,139 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Not decided yet by government.

    The fact that it’s headline news isn’t an accident, it’s preparing us, so that it’s not a bombshell.


  • #8099
    John O.Groats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    I see the usual suspects on the restrictions thread are going into meltdown tonight including one of the chief rabble rousers there calling for extreme measures to be taken against the authorities, and a few more posting personal attacks against Tony Holohan. Pathetic to see but not at all surprising.


  • #8100
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    Stacksofwacks wrote: »
    Don't go back to another shutdown. nearly everybody now is wearing masks, we are doing all we can(make it an on the spot fine for people to be out in public without a mask) no matter what we do we are not going to be able to stop some infection of the virus taking place.

    we (the public) most definitely are not doing all we can. that's the problem.


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  • #8101
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    irishrover99 wrote: »
    A mate just texted me saying that the army are going in at midnight tomorrow night. Jaysus

    Irishrover in North Korea?


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