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Armenia and Azerbaijan conflict
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Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »According to the MOD of Armenia, four drones penetrated into the non-disputed territory 50km from the Capital City. Seems they used the S-300 to take them out. The S-300 not used in Syria despite the claims. The system still manned by Russians in Syria. They don't want to use the system against Israeli warplanes. Russia now upgraded to S-400 and not got used yet in a combat situation.
Don't believe everything you read ,s300 is a big ticket item to a relatively poor country , considering they actually borrow from Russia to buy older weapons systems off Russia .
Russia won't engage Israel or cant see there aircraft to shoot them ,
Whole different thread
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Tea drinker wrote: »Armenia withdraws ambassador from Israel over Azerbaijan arms deal
Azerbaijan has acknowledged using Israeli-made weapons in its fighting with ethnic Armenian forces around Nagorno-Karabakh.
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/armenia-withdraws-allies-from-israel-over-azerbaijan-arms-deal-644212
Supposedly a large ramp up in cargo from Israel was was noted in past few weeks. Seems Azerbaijan has a huge lead in drones
Assist in targeting for other weapons / draw out the S-300 for elimination / surveillance/ drop condoms. who knows.
Big money in drone warfare ,a relatively cheap aircraft that can kill tanks , bunkers and personal ,and are relatively expendable and easy to replace and a bitch to track it you don't have equipment and personell with experience,
Seems to be a one sided fight so far , video's of the Armenian forces don't inspire confidence ,
Russia has forces already in Armenia
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Sounds like another quagmire.
Hopefully it's not going to turn into a mess like middle East
It's very complicated so many of the outside players have open grudges already ,down the road you have Belarus , Ukraine still under russian occupation , Syria and else where does Russia really need another potential war to fight where there is no real gain for them ,other than spending more money to prop us regimes while there economy is in the gutter for the 6/7 years
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TheBlackPill wrote: »Based on the previous Armenian genocide by turks and Armenia now facing being overun by Turks amd Turkic peoples, will they be tempted to use WMDs as an Armenian ad-hoc version of the Israeli Samson Option?
They are badly outnumbered and out gunned going by their compared military forces they have ,
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What wmds do they have access to
Not sure they have any they signed up to various treaty's and Non-Proliferation agreements once they gained independence from Russia .
It's possible they have some stashed for a rainy day , remember russia signed a similar treaty with Ukraine which saw Ukraine give up it's nukes for friendship a few years down the road russia invades ,annexes part of Ukraine and occupaties other parts .
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igCorcaigh wrote: »
Still though, Russia is ostensibly neutral regarding this conflict, and still has its role in the Minsk process, for whatever relevance that has anymore.
Minsk agreements are a joke ,this came up numerous times in Ukraine , where agreements were made between russian ,french , German and Donbass leaders (russian military) which was supposed to bring peace but was repeatedly broken by russian forces to gain more Ukraine territory then decrying Ukraine broke agreements which they had little or no part in .
It's almost comical that they are using Belarus as a neutral country
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It only depends on the attitude of the rest of NATO. France is growing tired of Turkish expansionism and can legitimize Russian actions, or can itself help Armenia , same as it helps greece to counter turkey, or helps Haftar in Libya to oppose Turkey. NATO is quite divided on Libya with bulk of NATO supporting Turkey. Added to that Egypt is threatening involvement if situation deteriorates further for Haftar forces.
There's no reason why same division won't happen in the Armenia / Azerbaijan conflict as NATO's primary role is countering and weakening Russia.
Well ok maybe some reasons are the fact this conflict has been dragging for decades and has huge explosive potential. Israel has been sending huge amount of arms as it's in their interest to have a strong anti Iran influence up there and they are probably getting paid for the arms anyway. They can care less what happens there as long as Iran can be damaged.
So Israel can damage Iran, NATO can damage Russia, I don't see a concerted effort in NATO to contain this conflict.
Oh and only part joking:P : NATO apparent secondary goal to manufacture refugees and bring them to Europe can be fulfilled whilst fulfilling the primary goal listed above. It is, how to say, "win win"
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Looks like the Armenians are getting hammered quite Badly , they've supposedly a large amount of their tank force and suffering high casualties to their ground forces ,
I'd half expect Azerbaijan to mount an invasion of Nagorno-Karabakh at some point ,
Still quiet on the Russians on what or if the Russians get involved
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Latest from BBC
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54407436
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Azerbaijan's military says its forces have retaken control of seven villages since Sunday, while Nagorno-Karabakh says its troops have "improved" their frontline positions.
Earlier this week, Armenia said it stood "ready to engage" with mediators from France, Russia and the US to try to agree a ceasefire.
Azerbaijan, which is openly backed by Turkey, has demanded the withdrawal of Armenian troops from Nagorno-Karabakh and adjacent areas seized by ethnic Armenian troops.
Nagorno-Karabakh - key facts
A mountainous region of about 4,400 sq km (1,700 sq miles)
Traditionally inhabited by Christian Armenians and Muslim Turks
In Soviet times, it became an autonomous region within the republic of Azerbaijan
Internationally recognised as part of Azerbaijan, but majority of population is ethnic Armenian
Self-proclaimed authorities are not recognised by any UN member, including Armenia
An estimated one million people displaced by war in 1988-94, and about 30,000 killed
Separatist forces captured some extra territory around the enclave in Azerbaijan
Stalemate has largely prevailed since a 1994 ceasefire
Turkey openly supports Azerbaijan
Russia has a military base in Armenia
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