Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

Roots 2020 · 01-10-2020 08:23PM

Tony was there for July/August and restrictions easing, cases in single figures, no daily deaths. That's what the simple remember, not the nursing homes etc.

Ronan Glynn has been in charge as the virus gained ground again, in Europe and many parts of the world, this autumn. He's performed aswell as his predecessor in my opinion.

Arghus · 01-10-2020 08:31PM

Jackman25 wrote: »

Link a handful of articles then.

There's no need. Go back and look through previous threads all around this forum: you'll find plenty of evidence.

Boggles · 01-10-2020 08:35PM

Small bit of good news out of Israel

Enlivex's Allocetra improves COVID-19 recovery times, early data show

The data was drawn from a small study of five patients with COVID-19, three of which were in a severe condition and two were in a critical condition. After being treated with Allocetra, all five patients achieved complete recovery; those in a severe condition were discharged from hospital after an average of 5.5 days, with those in a critical condition achieving the same milestone after 8.5 days. No adverse events were reported.

A sample size so small it would be considered insignificant.

But still one to watch.

bb1234567 · 01-10-2020 08:35PM

https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-archive-mexico-city-mexico-2ee425437ff8fd1b0dcd338d632dd40c

Mexican government updates estimated death toll by around 13,000 deaths. Although is still seems like an underestimate, excess deaths in Mexico were 123,000 as of August 1st , at that time the official death toll was just 46,000. Wonder what else is causing over 77,000 unexplained additional excess deaths if it is not the pandemic

It's why it's important in arguments to not necessarily rely heavily on existing official figures of countries, they really are preliminary currently especially in the developing world. Ecuador also updated it's death toll by over 50% just a few weeks ago. See people wonder why India is doing reasonably well despite high population density for example, you really can't say that for sure at this time, No doubt India will at some stage add tens of thousands of unreported deaths as Mexico did.

Stormyteacup · 01-10-2020 08:38PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Do we have more info at the start of his tenancy or at the end? There can never be enough and they need to do more.

For instance in the last two days we learned that one asshole couple went away for the weekend, came back, saw everybody they know and went to a pub/restaurant and resulted in 30 people infected and a business closed.

We also learned one cafe/restaurant in cork led to 56 people being infected.

Yes and we’ve also learned who is at most risk from this virus. And that it’s far less dangerous than believed.

harr · 01-10-2020 08:39PM

NCT test centre last night 5 people in waiting room two without masks and both coughing away, staff took no notice of them. A number of people asked them to put on masks or wait outside since they were coughing fairly often but they taught it was very funny and said they were going nowhere and to cold outside.
I wasn’t long moving outside .. I know a number of people complained but staff said nothing they could do. Two lads in early 20,s
We haven’t a hope of controlling this with those kind of attitudes .

Beasty · 01-10-2020 08:43PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Obviously not wearing a mask so. Teachers need to limit contact there class only and wear a mask at all times

I suspect none of us have any idea whether or not they were wearing a mask. A mask is not something that prevents covid-19 spreading. It's one important measure that helps reduce the chances. N95 are supposed to be at the better end, with surgical masks behind them, and then the fabric type most of us are wearing. Then there are the plastic shields which offer much reduced protection. However nothing can act as a complete barrier to transmission beyond something akin to a sealed "bubble". Masks may be faulty. They may be poorly fitting. In this case it may be that the teacher picked it up from a pupil and spread it across other pupils. It may be that the kids congregated outside school. None of us can properly understand exactly how it was transmitted (even if we were there to witness what was going on)

WRT the Cork restaurant it only needs one customer to infect one member of staff, who then perhaps passes it onto the chef, all getting limited protection from masks and sanitisers, and it then spreads before anyone shows any symptoms.

Equally I fully acknowledge that both "clusters" could have been spread by carelessness from those responsible for taking appropriate precautions

Stormyteacup · 01-10-2020 08:43PM

harr wrote: »

NCT test centre last night 5 people in waiting room two without masks and both coughing away, staff took no notice of them. A number of people asked them to put on masks or wait outside since they were coughing fairly often but they taught it was very funny and said they were going nowhere and to cold outside.
I wasn’t long moving outside .. I know a number of people complained but staff said nothing they could do. Two lads in early 20,s
We haven’t a hope of controlling this with those kind of attitudes .

No indeed. Put the burden of enforcing restrictions on lowest paid workers in society? What do you expect?

TexasTornado · 01-10-2020 08:54PM

harr wrote: »

NCT test centre last night 5 people in waiting room two without masks and both coughing away, staff took no notice of them. A number of people asked them to put on masks or wait outside since they were coughing fairly often but they taught it was very funny and said they were going nowhere and to cold outside.
I wasn’t long moving outside .. I know a number of people complained but staff said nothing they could do. Two lads in early 20,s
We haven’t a hope of controlling this with those kind of attitudes .

Centre shouid have called the Gardai and had them removed. Until we enforce and penalise thugs like that we are swimming against the tide.

polesheep · 01-10-2020 08:56PM

harr wrote: »

NCT test centre last night 5 people in waiting room two without masks and both coughing away, staff took no notice of them. A number of people asked them to put on masks or wait outside since they were coughing fairly often but they taught it was very funny and said they were going nowhere and to cold outside.
I wasn’t long moving outside .. I know a number of people complained but staff said nothing they could do. Two lads in early 20,s
We haven’t a hope of controlling this with those kind of attitudes .

It's amazing how people without masks seem to constantly cough.

prunudo · 01-10-2020 08:58PM

Whatever about not wearing masks, maybe they had a medical condition, but to be constantly coughing and not move outside is just plain rude and ignorant given the current circumstances.

Goldrickssan · 01-10-2020 08:59PM

polesheep wrote: »

It's amazing how people without masks seem to constantly cough.

Swallowing so much bull**** is hard on the throat

s1ippy · 01-10-2020 09:00PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Obviously not wearing a mask so. Teachers need to limit contact there class only and wear a mask at all times

How come other sections of society get to socialise but you think teachers should see their class only? What about their families who may have school elsewhere? I love how you're so enthusiastic to take away the personal freedoms of teachers. Do you think doctors should also isolate themselves from everyone except patients?

Funsterdelux · 01-10-2020 09:02PM

Beasty wrote: »

I suspect none of us have any idea whether or not they were wearing a mask. A mask is not something that prevents covid-19 spreading. It's one important measure that helps reduce the chances. N95 are supposed to be at the better end, with surgical masks behind them, and then the fabric type most of us are wearing. Then there are the plastic shields which offer much reduced protection. However nothing can act as a complete barrier to transmission beyond something akin to a sealed "bubble". Masks may be faulty. They may be poorly fitting. In this case it may be that the teacher picked it up from a pupil and spread it across other pupils. It may be that the kids congregated outside school. None of us can properly understand exactly how it was transmitted (even if we were there to witness what was going on)

WRT the Cork restaurant it only needs one customer to infect one member of staff, who then perhaps passes it onto the chef, all getting limited protection from masks and sanitisers, and it then spreads before anyone shows any symptoms.

Equally I fully acknowledge that both "clusters" could have been spread by carelessness from those responsible for taking appropriate precautions

From what I've heard about a school in Cork that closed. About a dozen cases so far. It spread from a child getting a bus/escort to school, who then passed it on to an SNA and from there it was spread to the rest. No details about the rest of spread.

SNAs are extremely vunerable because theres virtually zero social distancing when dealing with special needs pupils.

bodhrandude · 01-10-2020 09:05PM

prunudo wrote: »

Whatever about not wearing masks, maybe they had a medical condition, but to be constantly coughing and not move outside is just plain rude and ignorant given the current circumstances.

Perhaps they were deliberately riling people and freaking them for their kicks, who knows.

prunudo · 01-10-2020 09:10PM

bodhrandude wrote: »

Perhaps they were deliberately riling people and freaking them for their kicks, who knows.

That crossed my mind too.

patnor1011 · 01-10-2020 09:11PM

Boggles wrote: »

They all touched the same vending machine.

Yeah. Superspreader deposited the virus then the first of 15 got the highest dose and the last one just wiped out the last bits.

shinzon · 01-10-2020 09:13PM

Going to be interesting to see how Tony holohan works under the new regime ie, having the recommendations made by nphet scrutinised by the sub committee before being passed to the cabinet for approval, it struck me that he had the ear of Leo and Simon during his tenure before his leave of absence this might stick in the craw a bit

Shin

stephenjmcd · 01-10-2020 09:14PM

https://twitter.com/JackHoJo/status/1311760610753949696?s=19

Roger_007 · 01-10-2020 09:16PM

polesheep wrote: »

It's amazing how people without masks seem to constantly cough.

Some posters on this thread seem to be encountering people “coughing and spluttering” all over the place. I haven’t experienced anyone doing that in my vicinity. Am I just lucky or are these posters exaggerating just a tad?

01-10-2020 09:25PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

Some posters on this thread seem to be encountering people “coughing and spluttering” all over the place. I haven’t experienced anyone doing that in my vicinity. Am I just lucky or are these posters exaggerating just a tad?

Its like at the start of the lockdown when every runner was 'coughing and spluttering' every time they passed someone.......

Gael23 · 01-10-2020 09:27PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

https://twitter.com/JackHoJo/status/1311760610753949696?s=19

Do they have a case?

harr · 01-10-2020 09:28PM

bodhrandude wrote: »

Perhaps they were deliberately riling people and freaking them for their kicks, who knows.

This it what they seemed to be up to ..

patnor1011 · 01-10-2020 09:29PM

eagle eye wrote: »

That's still unknown, the virus is too young yet to know if it mutates. If it does then there'll be shots when necessary, if it doesn't it's possible you'll only need one shot every decade or two.

As you said - we do not know. What we do know is that antibodies disappear fairly quickly and there was even talk that we may actually need a few of them every year.

odyssey06 · 01-10-2020 09:32PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Do they have a case?

If they think they have a case why wait...
If they think they have a case why bother with talk about the Oireachtas.
Just release the lawyers.

Maybe they think they have a possible case but arent sure, would be expensive and are trying to bluff the gov.

Goldrickssan · 01-10-2020 09:32PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

https://twitter.com/JackHoJo/status/1311760610753949696?s=19

Is there a constitutional argument to make?

harr · 01-10-2020 09:32PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

Some posters on this thread seem to be encountering people “coughing and spluttering” all over the place. I haven’t experienced anyone doing that in my vicinity. Am I just lucky or are these posters exaggerating just a tad?

For me personally I am just more aware of people coughing and sneezing and I think that is probably the case with most people. Before COVID you would hardly notice anyone spluttering out of them.
The general public are a lot more tuned in now on the personal hygiene habits of others.

FintanMcluskey · 01-10-2020 09:35PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Its like at the start of the lockdown when every runner was 'coughing and spluttering' every time they passed someone.......

Do I remember correctly that Pat Kenny referred to joggers and cyclist's exhausting plumes of Covid?

Live on air

patnor1011 · 01-10-2020 09:37PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Do I remember correctly that Pat Kenny referred to joggers and cyclist's exhausting plumes of Covid?

Live on air

That dude got severe covidmania. Either that or he is being paid handsomely to pretend to have one.

Roots 2020 · 01-10-2020 09:39PM

Holy Feck!

This intro to the Rte covid programme is awful hype.

'It ripped through the limbs of each family'. Now it did to many but this statement is hyperbole.

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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