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Nobotty · 01-10-2020 09:10AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I am suggesting that 'if they didn't do the due diligence and testing they are 'responsible' and these errors would have been caught if they'd done that.'

I didn't listen to the two civil servants, did they say the software had been tested with the due diligence?

There was no question asked at all about it yesterday even by the honorable correspondent from the examiner
There was plenty of talk about the testing process that went on related to rechecks
I can't see where you could nail a ministerl on a piece of software doing something never done before and inherited by her predecessor

Is it your standard now that every minister should be sacked if their civil servants (who any teacher will tell you in the education department are ANAL in terms of particulars) make a mistake or their suppliers,ever,?
Because I think there's zero likelihood the process went ahead without the civil servants yesterday sgreeing/recommending

You know that logic would mean Louise o'reilly would have had to resign over the printer as she was on the oireachtas committee overseeing that
And I'm sure you wouldn't want that!

On a side note,the software costs mentioned yesterday if I remember correctly were 2 or 300000 ,which seems very very low
Probably less than the cost of holding the physical exam

There's a lot in this Francie that IMO doesn't make it political football material
Oversight and learning curve material yes.
The other thing I'd say is and again IMO the process has put an awful lot of more people into college than otherwise would be,even before this glitch was discovered
Thats a good thing

FrancieBrady · 01-10-2020 09:11AM

blanch152 wrote: »

The point about low-level racism and homophobia is that it can be denied. You know that, I know that, we all know that, so your post is disingenuous.

The poster for whom allegations about one particular party are enough to convict, makes an allegation.

FrancieBrady · 01-10-2020 09:13AM

Nobotty wrote: »

There was no question asked at all about it yesterday even by the honorable correspondent from the examiner
There was plenty of talk about the testing process that went on related to rechecks
I can't see where you could nail a ministerl on a piece of software doing something never done before and inherited by her predecessor

Is it your standard now that every minister should be sacked if their civil servants (who any teacher will tell you in the education department are ANAL in terms of particulars) make a mistake or their suppliers,ever,?
Because I think there's zero likelihood the process went ahead without the civil servants yesterday sgreeing/recommending

You know that logic would mean Louise o'reilly would have had to resign over the printer as she was on the oireachtas committee overseeing that
And I'm sure you wouldn't want that!

On a side note,the software costs mentioned yesterday if I remember correctly were 2 or 300000 ,which seems very very low
Probably less than the cost of holding the physical exam

There's a lot in this Francie that IMO doesn't make it political football material
Oversight and learning curve material yes.
The other thing I'd say is and again IMO the process has put an awful lot of more people into college than otherwise would be,even before this glitch was discovered
Thats a good thing

Jesus Christ. :eek:

That is some stretch to defend there.

Nobotty · 01-10-2020 09:18AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Jesus Christ. :eek:

That is some stretch to defend there.

Not really,the grades are up what 4%
Extra places were already added and now it looks like more are being added and the people who would not be in their courses now because others would have stripped them of their place get to stay along with 1000's of new folk
That all adds up to the part you bolded

Floppybits · 01-10-2020 09:18AM

blanch152 wrote: »

We have seen many examples of low-level racism and homophobia directed at Leo on here. Not going into it again, but there are some very clear examples and one particularly disgusting one well-known to everyone here. Those posters know who they are.

I hope you reported this to the Mods and that the Mods acted upon it.

blanch152 · 01-10-2020 09:20AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The poster for whom allegations about one particular party are enough to convict, makes an allegation.

As I said, it is well-known and the posters know who they are. Enough said.

McMurphy · 01-10-2020 09:26AM

blanch152 wrote: »

The point about low-level racism and homophobia is that it can be denied. You know that, I know that, we all know that, so your post is disingenuous.

Load of scutter, you know it and I know it, I've seen thinly veiled homophobic/racist posts on here being rightfully sanctioned, and called out by most right thinking posters regardless of their political persuasion.

It's becoming too familiar now just to try and shout someone down with "homophobic/racist" faux accusations just because they tear your arguments to shreds.

If you feel there's ample examples of "low level homophobic and racist" posts not being adequately dealt with you should really open a feedback thread imo.

But you won't. And we know why.

Floppybits · 01-10-2020 09:28AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I am suggesting that 'if they didn't do the due diligence and testing they are 'responsible' and these errors would have been caught if they'd done that.'

I didn't listen to the two civil servants, did they say the software had been tested with the due diligence?

They will need to explain who the mistake was made in the code to really understand where the failure occurred. If it was a developer mistake that they simply misread the requirements and coded it wrong, it happens all the time but is caught in testing and usually sent back to the developer to correct and it is retested, so if this was the case why not caught in testing. Then this could come down to the testing and the samples they were using.

Another scenario that is much more serious is that the requirements that were sent to the developer were incorrectly captured and the developer developed the code as per the requirements. If this is the case then it will need to be asked who captured the requirements, where the requirements checked and signed off by the department before they were sent to the developer, if so why was this error not caught then which would then suggest a lack of due diligence on the department, if this is the case then the company that developed the application cannot be held responsible.

Yurt2 · 01-10-2020 09:28AM

This is grade-A horsesh*t from the B.O.Ts. As I said before, there is nothing they wont stoop to.

Concocting things, abusing posters and then feeling sorry for themselves. Idiots to a man.

Floppybits · 01-10-2020 09:33AM

Yurt! wrote: »

This is grade-A horsesh*t from the B.O.Ts. As I said before, there is nothing they wont stoop to.

Concocting things, abusing posters and then feeling sorry for themselves. Idiots to a man.

I wondering if this an attempt by a certain poster to send the discussion off in a different direction to deflect discussion on the current Leaving Cert debacle.

As I said earlier if there was any sort of homophobic or racist posts by an poster on this thread then I would expect that these would have been reported and would have been acted upon by the Moderator. Also there is no such thing as low level racism, racism is racism and should be reported and dealt with.

christy c · 01-10-2020 10:09AM

The only thing I recall that could possibly be interpreted as homophobic is the person using Varadkar's partner's name as their username. I personally don't think it was homophobic, more an obsession with Leo/FG. Don't recall any racism.

While the SF fans post plenty of gibberish, they have not been racist or homophobic in my experience.

EmmetSpiceland · 01-10-2020 10:14AM

Yurt! wrote: »

This is grade-A horsesh*t from the B.O.Ts. As I said before, there is nothing they wont stoop to.

Concocting things, abusing posters and then feeling sorry for themselves. Idiots to a man.

What’s a B.O.Ts., Y?

FrancieBrady · 01-10-2020 10:20AM

christy c wrote: »

The only thing I recall that could possibly be interpreted as homophobic is the person using Varadkar's partner's name as their username. I personally don't think it was homophobic, more an obsession with Leo/FG. Don't recall any racism.

While the SF fans post plenty of gibberish, they have not been racist or homophobic in my experience.

True christy c.

If somebody called themselves 'Mary Martin', that wouldn't make them misogynistic.

christy c · 01-10-2020 10:24AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

True christy c.

If somebody called themselves 'Mary Martin', that wouldn't make them misogynistic.

Agreed, slightly weird though IMO

dundalkfc10 · 01-10-2020 10:45AM

Nobotty wrote: »

Not really,the grades are up what 4%
Extra places were already added and now it looks like more are being added and the people who would not be in their courses now because others would have stripped them of their place get to stay along with 1000's of new folk
That all adds up to the part you bolded

Sure its all grand so.

Dont worry about the mental health and financial difficulties this has faced parents and kids.

Nora for Michael Martins job, A fine few months for her

PommieBast · 01-10-2020 11:17AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

A mistake was made in the grading system and it has been spotted, internally, and the process is underway to sort it.
I'd be waiting to see how the affected student fare out after this.

Ireland basically did a carbon copy of what the UK did, complete with all the mistakes.

There will be an inevitable uptick in the flunk rate. Universities have now crossed the Rubicon of accepting grades that may as well have been made up, so in the longer term the first year is going to have to change from one long pub crawl to an actual filter of who can and cannot hack their courses.

Nobotty · 01-10-2020 11:25AM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Sure its all grand so.

Dont worry about the mental health and financial difficulties this has faced parents and kids.

I'd say now ,being told you're confirmed in your course or that you're getting the one you want would improve mental Health not the other way round

Truthvader · 01-10-2020 11:31AM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Sure its all grand so.

Dont worry about the mental health and financial difficulties this has faced parents and kids.

Nora for Michael Martins job, A fine few months for her

Heartening to see such concern for the mental health of children from supporters of same people who crippled so many children in punishment beatings. As usual no real concern for ayone but a sickly delight in something going wrong for the government

FrancieBrady · 01-10-2020 11:31AM

Nobotty wrote: »

Not really,the grades are up what 4%
Extra places were already added and now it looks like more are being added and the people who would not be in their courses now because others would have stripped them of their place get to stay along with 1000's of new folk
That all adds up to the part you bolded

And no minus for the absolute ****show of an ordeal they have been put through since the start of their year?

On top of Covid I mean...dithering and blunderbuss management of the department culminating in this.

James Brown · 01-10-2020 11:38AM

Nobotty wrote: »

Well if you took the time to read my posts in context instead of taking one out of context you'll know that I'm saying ministers cannot be responsible for coding errors in programmes
So yes you're looking for tit for tat and you can get that elsewhere thanks

Ministers are responsible for any errors on policies, campaigns or actions they didn't do due diligence on or went awry in some way due to their incompetence or lackluster performance.
FYI: what the department or education does or does not manage well is on the minister and broader government. Thats how it works.
I'm disagreeing with your take that they are not because coding played a role. That's a cop out.

We've a year lost for students. Thats on the department of education and its minister.

Nobotty · 01-10-2020 11:40AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And no minus for the absolute ****show of an ordeal they have been put through since the start of their year?

On top of Covid I mean...dithering and blunderbuss management of the department culminating in this.

Their ordeal though for the last year has nothing to do with this glitch
The glitch has actually worked in their favour
The student doing biomedical science on morning Ireland this morning who said they'd now qualify for medicine was actually delighted

James Brown · 01-10-2020 11:41AM

Truthvader wrote: »

Heartening to see such concern for the mental health of children from supporters of same people who crippled so many children in punishment beatings. As usual no real concern for ayone but a sickly delight in something going wrong for the government

The church, enabled and supported by successive FF/FG governments has not the grip it use to.

dundalkfc10 · 01-10-2020 11:42AM

Nobotty wrote: »

I'd say now ,being told you're confirmed in your course or that you're getting the one you want would improve mental Health not the other way round

The colleges and universitys have said they have no room or staff for extra places. DKIT's President was on the local radio this morning, saying they have too many students as it is, they cannot cater for more.

What about the people who got their correct points but missed out on colleges cause some people got INFLATED grades?

FrancieBrady · 01-10-2020 11:43AM

Nobotty wrote: »

Their ordeal though for the last year has nothing to do with this glitch
The glitch has actually worked in their favour
The student doing biomedical science on morning Ireland this morning who said they'd now qualify for medicine was actually delighted

So a bit of 'I'm alright Jack' and everything will be grand?

JohnnyFlash · 01-10-2020 11:49AM

Bowie wrote: »

you and your fellow travelers constantly use varadkars sexuality when the news isn't going your way. Its gutter level and homophobic to use his sexuality in such a manner. That coupled with throwing around insults is the mark or your level of 'debate'. Its pretty pathetic.
Maybe stick to the topics rather than the insults and smears.

Dude, you created an account here using the name of Leo’s partner. Any chance of some self-reflection?

James Brown · 01-10-2020 11:51AM

christy c wrote: »

Agreed, slightly weird though IMO

Whats weird is posters using it and referencing it because FG are getting a hammering in the news.

James Brown · 01-10-2020 11:52AM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Dude, you created an account here using the name of Leo’s partner. Any chance of some self-reflection?

See above. Dude.

christy c · 01-10-2020 11:55AM

Bowie wrote: »

you and your fellow travelers constantly use varadkars sexuality when the news isn't going your way. Its gutter level and homophobic to use his sexuality in such a manner. That coupled with throwing around insults is the mark or your level of 'debate'. Its pretty pathetic.
Maybe stick to the topics rather than the insults and smears.

When do I use Varadkar's sexuality? Please provide the quotes. Can't recall having done so unless it was specifically brought up by someone else.

Not sure how many insults I have thrown around but those in glasshouses shouldn't throw stones.

Nobotty · 01-10-2020 11:57AM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

The colleges and universitys have said they have no room or staff for extra places. DKIT's President was on the local radio this morning, saying they have too many students as it is, they cannot cater for more.

What about the people who got their correct points but missed out on colleges cause some people got INFLATED grades?

The solving of your 1st point has not been gotten to yet so I can't criticise the solution untill I see it
As regards your second,I was just about to post about the people who took a year out last year and who found they lost out because of points gone up
Should they be given an amnesty ? Yes IMO

christy c · 01-10-2020 11:57AM

Bowie wrote: »

Whats weird is posters using it and referencing it because FG are getting a hammering in the news.

I was referring to the allegations of homophobia, and suggested your username was the only thing that could be interpreted as homophobic. Although I didn't think it was IMO. All clear now?

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