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Nobotty · 30-09-2020 09:11PM

Bowie wrote: »

An education minister does not need to know coding, tap dancing or who shot J.R. to be responsible for what goes on in her department.

Yeah whatever :rolleyes:

Meanwhile in actual bread and butter news

https://twitter.com/EOBroin/status/1311411504269361152?s=19

James Brown · 30-09-2020 09:17PM

Nobotty wrote: »

Yeah whatever :rolleyes:

Meanwhile in actual bread and butter news

https://twitter.com/EOBroin/status/1311411504269361152?s=19

You inferred the Education minister wasn't responsible for what goes on in her department because it was a coding error and she's not a coder. That's the height of apologist nonsense.

FrancieBrady · 30-09-2020 09:19PM

Bowie wrote: »

You inferred the Education minister wasn't responsible for what goes on in her department because it was a coding error and she's not a coder. That's the height of apologist nonsense.

Absolutely. They should have tested it on procurement.
The Dept is a shambles.

Bishop of hope · 30-09-2020 09:33PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Absolutely. They should have tested it on procurement.
The Dept is a shambles.

It's tough on students who missed out on their first choice surely and if they wish to pursue it now will probably have to wait a year.
They were assured all possible was being done to ensure their grades were absolutely correct and a wet week after the results this comes up.
It's a serious situation and will leave thousands disappointed

But I'd be wary of saying the dept is a shambles because of it.
That's just bull juice of a soundbite.

FrancieBrady · 30-09-2020 09:38PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

It's tough on students who missed out on their first choice surely and if they wish to pursue it now will probably have to wait a year.
They were assured all possible was being done to ensure their grades were absolutely correct and a wet week after the results this comes up.
It's a serious situation and will leave thousands disappointed

But I'd be wary of saying the dept is a shambles because of it.
That's just bull juice of a soundbite.

It's not a soundbite...review the year these students have had and tell me it has been as good as it could have been even with Covid.

Dithering and bungling coupled with a final coup de grace of running software that obviously hadn't been tested. Students now sitting waiting for news on their future again.

It isn't just a shambles of a Dept it is an omnishambles as others have said.

screamer · 30-09-2020 09:43PM

Any “coder” will tell you that testing is vital to ensure the programs are to spec and are signed off by end users to say that they do what is expected and the results are acceptable. We just seem to be unable to do anything correctly, and I’m sorry but this issue was always loaded, it was always going to be emotive and divisive, but to then go along and cock it up so spectacularly is mind blowing. Someone has to be accountable to the students, and heads need to roll over it.

FrancieBrady · 30-09-2020 09:45PM

screamer wrote: »

Any “coder” will tell you that testing is vital to ensure the programs are to spec and are signed off by end users to say that they do what is expected and the results are acceptable. We just seem to be unable to do anything correctly, and I’m sorry but this issue was always loaded, it was always going to be emotive and divisive, but to then go along and cock it up so spectacularly is mind blowing. Someone has to be accountable to the students, and heads need to roll over it.

Explained really well here. One line of code wrong is rubbish and blame spreading.

https://twitter.com/electionlit/status/1311337599844462592

Nobotty · 30-09-2020 10:27PM

Bowie wrote: »

You inferred the Education minister wasn't responsible for what goes on in her department because it was a coding error and she's not a coder. That's the height of apologist nonsense.

cool your jets,I only reported what was said at the news conference
You can enjoy your tit for tat with someone else thanks

FrancieBrady · 30-09-2020 10:34PM

Nobotty wrote: »

cool your jets,I only reported what was said at the news conference
You can enjoy your tit for tat with someone else thanks

Just gloss over the issues outlined for the Ministers competence and the Dept's oversight Nobotty.
You are getting rumbled here as another apologist.

Nobotty · 30-09-2020 10:59PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Just gloss over the issues outlined for the Ministers competence and the Dept's oversight Nobotty.
You are getting rumbled here as another apologist.

I'm not playing that game with you
Come back when you've evidence and I'll comment on it
You're going to be treated no differently by me than anyone else here
That would be respectfully
See what I think is a cart before the horse and expect me to say it
Speaking of which, I've 1 min before my carriage turns into a pumpkin so I must go to bed
I'll continue in the morning if needed
Good night

James Brown · 01-10-2020 01:11AM

Nobotty wrote: »

cool your jets,I only reported what was said at the news conference
You can enjoy your tit for tat with someone else thanks

The responsibility was put at FF/FG and the Greens.
You said:

Nobotty wrote: »

For this I don't agree
Ministers are not coding experts
Press conference-looks like some grades too high but will stand
Looks like those down graded are being allowed to go onto a course they thought they couldn't but can now

If I was them for the year that's in it,I'd defer the course and start it next year and avoid the pandemic

That's your comment that I am responding to.
The department and minister are responsible for what happens under their remit. FF/FG and the Greens own it.
Thats it, no tit for tat.

Bishop of hope · 01-10-2020 06:07AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It's not a soundbite...review the year these students have had and tell me it has been as good as it could have been even with Covid.

Dithering and bungling coupled with a final coup de grace of running software that obviously hadn't been tested. Students now sitting waiting for news on their future again.

It isn't just a shambles of a Dept it is an omnishambles as others have said.

It would have been a bad year if no results had been available at all, no exams.
It was achieved though.
A mistake was made in the grading system and it has been spotted, internally, and the process is underway to sort it.
I'd be waiting to see how the affected student fare out after this.
Juice Francie.

McMurphy · 01-10-2020 06:43AM

Leo was trying to steal the shinners homework again yesterday.

https://twitter.com/QuinlivanTD/status/1310938166623436800?s=19

Man's no shame at all it seems.

JohnnyFlash · 01-10-2020 07:16AM

He does get up the nose of SF’s online army something fierce, Murph. Nasty enough bunch when it comes to Leo’s ethnic background and sexuality. I thought SF were a party dedicated to radical socialism, inclusivity, and a shared future. They might want to tell some of their less intelligent online foot soldiers.

As for this - same as the insurance reform. Just because some SF no mark shouted about it in the Dáil, or put forward some badly written piece of proposed legislation doesn’t mean no one else can do anything about it.

Think a fair few SF supporters are getting confused about this sort of thing. Not sure they really get how legislation is formed or how the organs of the State work. Of course SF don’t actually recognise most of the structures of the Irish Republic so you wouldn’t expect them to be doing anything to educate their online army. We aren’t dealing with particularly intelligent people for the most part. High levels of gullibility.

Yurt2 · 01-10-2020 07:32AM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

He does get up the nose of SF’s online army something fierce, Murph. Nasty enough bunch when it comes to Leo’s ethnic background and sexuality. I thought SF were a party dedicated to radical socialism, inclusivity, and a shared future. They might want to tell some of their less intelligent online foot soldiers.

As for this - same as the insurance reform. Just because some SF no mark shouted about it in the Dáil, or put forward some badly written piece of proposed legislation doesn’t mean no one else can do anything about it.

Think a fair few SF supporters are getting confused about this sort of thing. Not sure they really get how legislation is formed or how the organs of the State work. Of course SF don’t actually recognise most of the structures of the Irish Republic so you wouldn’t expect them to be doing anything to educate their online army. We aren’t dealing with particularly intelligent people for the most part. High levels of gullibility.

Bullsh*t. Simple as.

McMurphy · 01-10-2020 07:37AM

When you're throwing around racist and homophobic insinuations because people are laughing at the emperor being stark naked you're losing John.

Losing in a big way.

JohnnyFlash · 01-10-2020 07:52AM

McMurphy wrote: »

When you're throwing around racist and homophobic insinuations because people are laughing at the emperor being stark naked you're losing John.

Losing in a big way.

Sure wasn’t a SF representative questioning his suitability to be a politician because of his sexuality and his ethnic background. And he wasn’t even thrown out of SF. Of course some of the more knuckle-dragging element of the SF online army supporters support these views. The Wolfe Tones greatest hits sorts.

FrancieBrady · 01-10-2020 07:53AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

It would have been a bad year if no results had been available at all, no exams.
It was achieved though.
A mistake was made in the grading system and it has been spotted, internally, and the process is underway to sort it.
I'd be waiting to see how the affected student fare out after this.
Juice Francie.

Achieved at a massive and unnecessary cost. Due to incompetence and dithering.
And it didn't begin with the present minister either.

I'll be waiting to see the above have consequences.

McMurphy · 01-10-2020 08:27AM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Sure wasn’t a SF representative questioning his suitability to be a politician because of his sexuality and his ethnic background. And he wasn’t even thrown out of SF. Of course some of the more knuckle-dragging element of the SF online army supporters support these views. The Wolfe Tones greatest hits sorts.

That's just a load of arse biscuits to be fair, if you want to tar a whole party with one brush, you go ahead but I don't think it's fair personally to suggest fg are a party of fascism worshiping, tax dodging insurance scammers that have a penchant for attacking lads in pubs with broken pint glasses.

Nobotty · 01-10-2020 08:30AM

Bowie wrote: »

The responsibility was put at FF/FG and the Greens.
You said:

That's your comment that I am responding to.
The department and minister are responsible for what happens under their remit. FF/FG and the Greens own it.
Thats it, no tit for tat.

Well if you took the time to read my posts in context instead of taking one out of context you'll know that I'm saying ministers cannot be responsible for coding errors in programmes
So yes you're looking for tit for tat and you can get that elsewhere thanks

FrancieBrady · 01-10-2020 08:33AM

McMurphy wrote: »

That's just a load of arse biscuits to be fair, if you want to tar a whole party with one brush, you go ahead but I don't think it's fair personally to suggest fg are a party of fascism worshiping, tax dodging insurance scammers that have a penchant for attacking lads in pubs with broken pint glasses.

It doesn't suit the FG fanatics to get that point McMurphy. It's attack attack attack.

P.S. I thought the SF councilor stupidly inferred that Leo wasn't suitable because he was 'not a parent' and not because of his sexuality and definitely said that Leo was 'Irish'.
But then Johnny and his fellow fanatics never let the truth get in the way of a good rant, did they?

FrancieBrady · 01-10-2020 08:34AM

Nobotty wrote: »

Well if you took the time to read my posts in context instead of taking one out of context you'll know that I'm saying ministers cannot be responsible for coding errors in programmes
So yes you're looking for tit for tat and you can get that elsewhere thanks

Of they can be held responsible if they didn't do the due diligence and testing and these errors would have been caught if they'd done that.

dundalkfc10 · 01-10-2020 08:34AM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

He does get up the nose of SF’s online army something fierce, Murph. Nasty enough bunch when it comes to Leo’s ethnic background and sexuality. I thought SF were a party dedicated to radical socialism, inclusivity, and a shared future. They might want to tell some of their less intelligent online foot soldiers.

As for this - same as the insurance reform. Just because some SF no mark shouted about it in the Dáil, or put forward some badly written piece of proposed legislation doesn’t mean no one else can do anything about it.

Think a fair few SF supporters are getting confused about this sort of thing. Not sure they really get how legislation is formed or how the organs of the State work. Of course SF don’t actually recognise most of the structures of the Irish Republic so you wouldn’t expect them to be doing anything to educate their online army. We aren’t dealing with particularly intelligent people for the most part. High levels of gullibility.

Ah the auld default setting. SF this, SF that

The current situation all these students face, has nothing to do with SF. Its all on FF/FG and The Greens.

Will Norma be in the Dail at 1.30 or will she walk before it?

Nobotty · 01-10-2020 08:44AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Of they can be held responsible if they didn't do the due diligence and testing and these errors would have been caught if they'd done that.

Are you suggesting the two civil servants at yesterday's presser were lying?

FrancieBrady · 01-10-2020 08:46AM

Nobotty wrote: »

Are you suggesting the two civil servants at yesterday's presser were lying?

I am suggesting that 'if they didn't do the due diligence and testing they are 'responsible' and these errors would have been caught if they'd done that.'

I didn't listen to the two civil servants, did they say the software had been tested with the due diligence?

blanch152 · 01-10-2020 08:54AM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

He does get up the nose of SF’s online army something fierce, Murph. Nasty enough bunch when it comes to Leo’s ethnic background and sexuality. I thought SF were a party dedicated to radical socialism, inclusivity, and a shared future. They might want to tell some of their less intelligent online foot soldiers.

As for this - same as the insurance reform. Just because some SF no mark shouted about it in the Dáil, or put forward some badly written piece of proposed legislation doesn’t mean no one else can do anything about it.

Think a fair few SF supporters are getting confused about this sort of thing. Not sure they really get how legislation is formed or how the organs of the State work. Of course SF don’t actually recognise most of the structures of the Irish Republic so you wouldn’t expect them to be doing anything to educate their online army. We aren’t dealing with particularly intelligent people for the most part. High levels of gullibility.

Yurt! wrote: »

Bullsh*t. Simple as.

We have seen many examples of low-level racism and homophobia directed at Leo on here. Not going into it again, but there are some very clear examples and one particularly disgusting one well-known to everyone here. Those posters know who they are.

dundalkfc10 · 01-10-2020 09:04AM

Nobotty wrote: »

Are you suggesting the two civil servants at yesterday's presser were lying?

It wouldnt be the first time a civil servant lied to the country

McMurphy · 01-10-2020 09:05AM

blanch152 wrote: »

We have seen many examples of low-level racism and homophobia directed at Leo on here. Not going into it again, but there are some very clear examples and one particularly disgusting one well-known to everyone here. Those posters know who they are.

Are you suggesting the mods (and by default the site) tolerate "low level racism and homophobia", assuming you reported it at the time, or (I'm siding with this one tbh) are you just talking through your hoop?

JohnnyFlash · 01-10-2020 09:06AM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

It wouldnt be the first time a civil servant lied to the country

You people want to dismantle everything don’t you?

blanch152 · 01-10-2020 09:06AM

McMurphy wrote: »

Are you suggesting the mods tolerate "low level racism and homophobia", or did you not report it at the time, or (I'm siding with this one tbh) are you just talking through your hoop?

The point about low-level racism and homophobia is that it can be denied. You know that, I know that, we all know that, so your post is disingenuous.

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