General Premier League Thread 2020-21 - Mod Notes in 1st post. [Updated 17/12/20]

yourdeadwright · 30-09-2020 03:40PM

I know getting a first choice and expensive players is a little different but I really don't understand United

Liverpool came under fire from Norwich for making a bid that they felt was reasonable, Norwich rejected it and said we want X amount , Liverpool looked at it and nah we won't pay that and moved on to there next target Tsimikas , That how transfer's should work

I cant see how or why United are still dragging there heels over Sancho either pay what Dortmund want or move on, its going on a couple of months now,

Father Hernandez · 30-09-2020 03:42PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I know getting a first choice and expensive players is a little different but I really don't understand United

Liverpool came under fire from Norwich for making a bid that they felt was reasonable, Norwich rejected it and said we want X amount , Liverpool looked at it and nah we won't pay that and moved on to there next target Tsimikas , That how transfer's should work

I cant see how or why United are still dragging there heels over Sancho either pay what Dortmund want or move on, its going on a couple of months now,

Welcome to our world as fans.

Father Hernandez · 30-09-2020 03:45PM

rob316 wrote: »

No idea why they signed him, he wasn't what they needed at all in midfield. A replacement for Matic would have made more sense but this is United.

I can see why he was signed but he wasn't a priority.

Fernandes looked bóllóxed at the tail end of last season after being asked to play so many minutes, VDB is far superior to Lingard, Pereira, Mata as a squad option. IMO he should be ahead of Pogba in the starting XI but that's another matter.

A replacement for Matic, absolutely, LB and CB need replaced too. United haven't had a RW in years so what's another year! :pac:

As you said, this is United.

gimli2112 · 30-09-2020 03:47PM

Much of the frenzy is media driven and a fan base desperate for success. Utd are trying to get their number one target from a club that doesn't particularly want to sell, or at least only at their price.
The funny thing is Utd have the money, we all know they have, they just don't want to spend it. I've seen the stories about the state of their finances but until I see them file for bankruptcy I don't believe it.

Comic Book Guy · 30-09-2020 03:47PM

DVDM93 wrote: »

It's a bit of a sh1t show at the moment really, isn't it!?

United can't sign players & then the one that they do manage to sign is carrying on like this.

Carrying on like what? Should he be accountable for his mentor speaking in a personal capacity?

His Crystal Palace post match interview was along the lines of "we played too slowly.....you need to speed up the game to create something". Hardly grenade throwing criticism.

Mitch Connor · 30-09-2020 03:51PM

Comic Book Guy wrote: »

Carrying on like what? Should he be accountable for his mentor speaking in a personal capacity?

His Crystal Palace post match interview was along the lines of "we played too slowly.....you need to speed up the game to create something". Hardly grenade throwing criticism.

Bruno also said the exact same after Brighton.

He wasn't giving out about his minutes. Don't see a problem with VDB at all to be honest. Mountains out of molehills by some.

I suspect VDB starts in our defeat to Brighton tonight. He really should start in our boring draw vs Spurs the weekend over Pogba.

30-09-2020 04:00PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I know getting a first choice and expensive players is a little different but I really don't understand United

Liverpool came under fire from Norwich for making a bid that they felt was reasonable, Norwich rejected it and said we want X amount , Liverpool looked at it and nah we won't pay that and moved on to there next target Tsimikas , That how transfer's should work

I cant see how or why United are still dragging there heels over Sancho either pay what Dortmund want or move on, its going on a couple of months now,

The Van Dijk to Liverpool story ran from late 2016 for over a year. with the eventual price being far above initial speculation.

DM_7 · 30-09-2020 04:00PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

That's nearly worse for me when it comes from his mentor and adviser than an agent.

If he confides these things to his mentor and adviser in private and who then feels the need to make them public.

It doesn't appear he confided in anyone.

Swart told VoetbalPrimeur: "A substitute; I don't like it at all. I couldn't do it, coming on with four minutes left. You'd have to leave me on the bench. But, I have to say, he still did three good things.

"And the penalty, where the winning goal came from, came from him. He did well in those couple of minutes. But normally they should have lost 7-1. Brighton hit the post and the bar five times.

"They [Brighton] have a nice team, but that shouldn't happen to Manchester United.

https://www.voetbalprimeur.nl/nieuws/946895/swart-reageert-op-van-de-beek-situatie-bij-united-vind-het-helemaal-niets-.html

gimli2112 · 30-09-2020 04:01PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The Van Dijk to Liverpool story ran from late 2016 for over a year. with the eventual price being far above initial speculation.

We'd have got him sooner but got caught doing something dodgy and had to back off.

yourdeadwright · 30-09-2020 04:13PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The Van Dijk to Liverpool story ran from late 2016 for over a year. with the eventual price being far above initial speculation.

It was different , they where not putting in a bid or preparing a bid every day for 2 months,

Southampton set a price that Liverpool and City where wiling to meet and the Saints left it up to the player to decided who to go to once bids where summited

But Liverpool jumped the gun and meet VVD in Blackpool before submitting a bid and without Southampton permission so the Saints refused to sell in that window as a principle and to save face,

Saints declined when the Fa asked if they wanted them to look into it and fine Liverpool ( hence why the fee went slightly up )

Big Virg decided on Liverpool and they then signed him on the 27th of December before the window even opened on the 1st of January

Fitz* · 30-09-2020 04:16PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The Van Dijk to Liverpool story ran from late 2016 for over a year. with the eventual price being far above initial speculation.

Well that's news to me.

It was only in summer 2017 when the potential transfer actually came about. Man City, Chelsea & Liverpool were all going to battle for him for ~£50m. Klopp met VVD in Blackpool and VVD agreed to move to Liverpool over the other 2. When Southampton got wind of this and knew there would be no bidding war they went mad. VVD handed in a transfer request as he wanted to join Liverpool.

Liverpool cooled off and then signed him in January 2018 after a 6 month delay. Paid a nice bit extra to keep Southampton sweet but from what I can gather, the clubs actually have a good relationship still.

30-09-2020 04:21PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

But Liverpool jumped the gun and meet VVD in Blackpool before submitting a bid and without Southampton permission so the Saints refused to sell in that window as a principle and to save face

They tapped up Van Dijk?

So when you said Liverpool do transfers the right way, you meant..they don't?

Shanotheslayer · 30-09-2020 04:23PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

They tapped up Van Dijk?

So when you said Liverpool do transfers the right way, you meant..they don't?

Every transfer is tapped to some degree

30-09-2020 04:26PM

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Every transfer is tapped to some degree

Oh very possibly.

But then fans should accept clubs will do whatever it takes to get their player, and not engage in some "the club I support does things the right way".

I recall Liverpool shovelling money into an agents pockets to get Harry Kewell and screw over the selling club. In fairness, it wasn't the current owners.

Fitz* · 30-09-2020 04:44PM

Yeah nearly every transfer these days is done that way now. There's a whole host of intermediaries and unofficial bids through these mediums before an 'official bid' happens. Sounding out a club to guage availability or prices etc.

I'd be surprised if any big money transfers these days are actually done in the timeline of an official bid first and then trying to agree personal terms with the player after. A club could agree a €70m fee with a club only to get told no by the player instantly and so the bid was a waste of time.

Baggly · 30-09-2020 05:00PM

Deleted User wrote:

I recall Liverpool shovelling money into an agents pockets to get Harry Kewell and screw over the selling club. In fairness, it wasn't the current owners.

Christ on a bike let it go

30-09-2020 05:08PM

Baggly wrote: »

Christ on a bike let it go

Did one reference really irritate you that much?

Sorry.

Happy to stand on the confirmation from Liverpool fans that the current regime taps up. It amounts to the same point really, that it's nonsense to say they go about transfers the right way. All clubs will do what suits them, legal or not, spending months trying every way or moving along quickly.

Baggly · 30-09-2020 05:10PM

Deleted User wrote:

Did one reference really irritate you that much?

It was two references. And one of them is from a decade ago.

And I'm a fulham fan ffs.

This tribal point scoring and grudge holding is just boring and has nothing to do with this year's PL.

30-09-2020 07:15PM

Baggly wrote: »

It was two references. And one of them is from a decade ago.

And I'm a fulham fan ffs.

This tribal point scoring and grudge holding is just boring and has nothing to do with this year's PL.

You're wrong.

There was one reference to Kewell. Not two

Afraid I don't understand your reference to Fulham. I'm a Cork City fan. But do have a fondness for Leeds. Hence the one single reference to Kewell.

What's the thing about tribal point scoring and grudge holding? Between Cork City and Liverpool?

rob316 · 30-09-2020 07:52PM

Fitz* wrote: »

Yeah nearly every transfer these days is done that way now. There's a whole host of intermediaries and unofficial bids through these mediums before an 'official bid' happens. Sounding out a club to guage availability or prices etc.

I'd be surprised if any big money transfers these days are actually done in the timeline of an official bid first and then trying to agree personal terms with the player after. A club could agree a €70m fee with a club only to get told no by the player instantly and so the bid was a waste of time.

Unless it's a last minute style deadline day transfer, personal terms are agreed with the agent first.

yourdeadwright · 30-09-2020 08:14PM

Deleted User wrote: »

They tapped up Van Dijk?

So when you said Liverpool do transfers the right way, you meant..they don't?

Unfortunately it's they way now,
All summer we've been hearing Sancho has agreed personal terms, but Dortmund haven't even accepted a bid so how does that work without tapping up,

Genuinely not even sure if tapping up is a thing anymore

Baggly · 30-09-2020 08:17PM

Deleted User wrote:

There was one reference to Kewell. Not two

One reference to VVD, one to Kewell.

I have no idea why you are bringing it up but it's clear you were points scoring against Liverpool fans since you brought up two Liverpool transfers. Let it go pal.

30-09-2020 08:24PM

Baggly wrote: »

One reference to VVD, one to Kewell.

I have no idea why you are bringing it up but it's clear you were points scoring against Liverpool fans since you brought up two Liverpool transfers. Let it go pal.

Swing as you seem intent on misconstruing what happened, and from the "Christ on a bike" and "ffs" it seems you're rather cross, I'll correct you (again).

A Liverpool fan gave a Man Utd fan the whole "we do transfers right, ye do it wrong".

I don't follow either club, and pointed out the obvious nonsense in that claim.

You then waded in, evidently irritated, and started on about grudges and point scoring, as if I followed one of those clubs.

Relax pal.

Baggly · 30-09-2020 08:33PM

Oh yeah. Evidently. This conversation is worse than the one that prompted it so suggest we agree to disagree and maybe discuss this year's PL?

30-09-2020 10:09PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

They tapped up Van Dijk?

So when you said Liverpool do transfers the right way, you meant..they don't?

No. They do. He plays for Liverpool now.

That’s how you do it.

Anyone that thinks it works differently hasn’t a clue how the game works.

30-09-2020 10:24PM

Deleted User wrote: »

No. They do. He plays for Liverpool now.

That’s how you do it.

Anyone that thinks it works differently hasn’t a clue how the game works.

I fully accept that Liverpool, and other clubs, cheat and tap up. I accepted it a few posts ago.

30-09-2020 10:47PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I fully accept that Liverpool, and other clubs, cheat and tap up. I accepted it a few posts ago.

You say ‘other clubs’ but mean ‘all clubs’ right ?

j8wk2feszrnpao · 01-10-2020 08:46AM

Baggly wrote: »

It was two references. And one of them is from a decade ago.

And I'm a fulham fan ffs.

This tribal point scoring and grudge holding is just boring and has nothing to do with this year's PL.

And he'd be one of those that to claim that Liverpool/Utd fans always make this thread about Liverpool/Utd. Obsessed and can't let it go.

Luckycharms_74 · 01-10-2020 09:24AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Did one reference really irritate you that much?

Sorry.

Happy to stand on the confirmation from Liverpool fans that the current regime taps up. It amounts to the same point really, that it's nonsense to say they go about transfers the right way. All clubs will do what suits them, legal or not, spending months trying every way or moving along quickly.

01-10-2020 09:34AM

munstermagic11 wrote: »

And he'd be one of those that to claim that Liverpool/Utd fans always make this thread about Liverpool/Utd. Obsessed and can't let it go.

I was responding to a Liverpool fan trying to turn it into a Liverpool Man Utd thing, with the nonsense that Liverpool do transfers "the right way".

However, a number of Liverpool fans acknowledged that their club cheats and taps up. They say every club does it, I'm not sure about that but it's not relevant. I think we can all agree we've moved a long way from the doing transfers "the right way" nonsense to some or all cheat and do whatever it takes.

General Premier League Thread 2020-21 - Mod Notes in 1st post. [Updated 17/12/20]

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