Female, LGBTQI+ or People of Colour Mods

Buford T. Justice XIX · 30-09-2020 7:44pm

Sterling Worried Mackerel wrote: »

Thank you for your contribution.

I just feel if a man told me how to speak or how to respond to him in the real world before I retired I’d have a case with HR.

Would these men speak to their colleagues like this in work?

It’s intimidating.

For a place that has so many topics about the above, there is a distinct lack of voices from such, and if a woman gets a bit uppity she's shot down.

Now, I have only come across you as a poster here yesterday so that's a plus in your favour, but the problem as I see it here is not your ideas or point of view but the way you choose to express those ideas and point of view.

Your first sentence in the above post...

Thank you for your contribution.

is fine in itself. But posting it and variations of it 16 times so far in the thread is trolling, in this case posting for effect.

There is a basic etiquette in posting that, thus far, I have not seen from you. Most posters is a new site or forum would spend some time reading and learning how the particular forum, its posters and mods operates before posting and adjusting their posting style to remain within the forum standards.

All I have see is you trying to impose your views on other posters.

This is a discussion site, we discuss events and ideas and posters viewpoints of those events and ideas. Sometimes viewpoints you have may not gather the acclaim you seek for them. It's up to you to convince others that your belief is the correct one and argue your point with civility. Sometimes you may win a discussion sometimes not but it's only through discussion that understanding the alternate viewpoint and reaching a common middle ground that progress can be made.

As to your diversity claim, mods are chosen for their ability to maintain and uphold the charter and their ability to choose the correct course of action to remedy any issues that may appear in forums under their charge.

Their sex, colour, creed, sexual preference or any other issue is far from our minds when asking posters if they would be interested in modding a forum. I don't even know any of the above about any poster or mod here until or unless they choose to reveal such about themselves.

Why? Because it's largely immaterial in their ability to function as a mod or a poster.

I certainly am not going to ask a poster what their sex, creed, colour, sexual orientation, hair colour or choice of holiday destination is as it has no place in an anonymous forum.

It's tough on ginger sun-magnets like myself but there you go.

cdeb · 30-09-2020 7:46pm

Sterling Worried Mackerel wrote: »

I can't thank an All Lives Matter contribution. Asking for equality doesn't make me a racist.

Judging people by their skin colour makes you racist.

You don't help yourself by misrepresenting the very point I made. In fact, you ignored most of it.

0xzmro3n4y7lb5 · 30-09-2020 7:46pm

Dravokivich wrote: »

Don't you dare thank me for my contribution as its anything but!

What do you think would change from a moderation perspective based on gender, orientation or race?

What makes either of these any more likely to be sympathetic qualities? As this seems to be the basis of your OP.

Thank you for your contribution.

There's an unhealthy obsession with trans people on the boards.

A poster posted picture of blackface and used the term retard.

If the mods were more diverse then yes I believe the content wouldn't be as sleazy and hateful.

Danzy · 30-09-2020 7:47pm

Sterling Worried Mackerel wrote: »

Most are open about their gender and sexuality.

This is very far from the truth.

0xzmro3n4y7lb5 · 30-09-2020 7:48pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I do think that a diverse team of mods isn't in itself an inherently bad concept

But going about aiming for it, and how you ensure it, is- as always with these things- the kicker

I also think that the suggestion is stronger made when not such an obvious swipe at the existing mods while in a sitewide tantrum tbh

Thank you for your contribution.

That's, as you say the kicker, progress often comes kicking and screaming.

0xzmro3n4y7lb5 · 30-09-2020 7:49pm

Buford T. Justice XIX wrote: »

Now, I have only come across you as a poster here yesterday so that's a plus in your favour, but the problem as I see it here is not your ideas or point of view but the way you choose to express those ideas and point of view.

Your first sentence in the above post...

is fine in itself. But posting it and variations of it 16 times so far in the thread is trolling, in this case posting for effect.

There is a basic etiquette in posting that, thus far, I have not seen from you. Most posters is a new site or forum would spend some time reading and learning how the particular forum, its posters and mods operates before posting and adjusting their posting style to remain within the forum standards.

All I have see is you trying to impose your views on other posters.

This is a discussion site, we discuss events and ideas and posters viewpoints of those events and ideas. Sometimes viewpoints you have may not gather the acclaim you seek for them. It's up to you to convince others that your belief is the correct one and argue your point with civility. Sometimes you may win a discussion sometimes not but it's only through discussion that understanding the alternate viewpoint and reaching a common middle ground that progress can be made.

As to your diversity claim, mods are chosen for their ability to maintain and uphold the charter and their ability to choose the correct course of action to remedy any issues that may appear in forums under their charge.

Their sex, colour, creed, sexual preference or any other issue is far from our minds when asking posters if they would be interested in modding a forum. I don't even know any of the above about any poster or mod here until or unless they choose to reveal such about themselves.

Why? Because it's largely immaterial in their ability to function as a mod or a poster.

I certainly am not going to ask a poster what their sex, creed, colour, sexual orientation, hair colour or choice of holiday destination is as it has no place in an anonymous forum.

It's tough on ginger sun-magnets like myself but there you go.

I'm not going to read past the assertion that thanking and validating posters contributions is trolling.

jam_mac_jam · 30-09-2020 7:50pm

Sterling Worried Mackerel wrote: »

Thank you for your contribution.

I suppose it boils down to boards not being a welcoming place for some people as I've outlined. Has there been a week in the last however many years that transpeople haven't been off the main page?

It's well and good to say these things don't matter but when they are a barrier then it's problematic.

I want to say as openly and honesty as I can the way you lead your contribution with

"There's a place on this site for pretty much everyone except for those who simply want to stir things".

The implication is that I am a 'stirrer' and the people I disagree with who use the sleaziest of language, who name call me, aren't.

That is a common theme I've noticed on the forum as I explore the site, I don't always contribute to the threads I read, I just want recommendations on Aldi products.

Yet the pull to take a stand for voices that aren't here who are constantly reduced to their genitalia is strong.

I'm sorry mods don't like my style, whatever that is, but respectfully I think mods should focus on content more and clean up the obsession with trans people and genitalia.

A poster summed it up and understood my frustrations. It would be nice and reassuring that just once the mods, the active mods on these topics understood the frustration seeing such hateful, sleazy and spiteful things on the threads.

The reason that your style is not suited is that you are trolling. Quite deliberately. And then gaslighting.

Name calling and sarcasm. And when you are pulled up on it it's all sweetness and light. You blatantly name called people and then denied it. You are not arguing in good faith.

There are plenty of people who can have different views and not name call.

It's also incredibly racist and sexist to ask what race or sex people are on an anonymous website. Why are you judging people on those terms rather than their character?

banie01 · 30-09-2020 7:50pm

Gatling wrote: »

I beginning to think we're looking at one of bigger wind ups on boards for a while ,
Look at the toxic masculinity but I'm a little old dear who's lived a sheltered ,
Suddenly I want mods based on their sexualities and race and ethnicity , beliefs.

It's such a shame this is allowed to continue

I want mods to include their photo, pro-nouns and qualifications!

Gatling · 30-09-2020 7:55pm

banie01 wrote: »

I want mods to include their photo, pro-nouns and qualifications!

Boards on zoom.

That way it's all transparent we can literally see into to each others world as we discussed topic's live in HD

TheBlackPill · 30-09-2020 7:56pm

banie01 wrote: »

I want mods to include their photo, pro-nouns and qualifications!

And their home addesses too. So if they are not woke enough i can doorstep them to discuss their moderation further

0xzmro3n4y7lb5 · 30-09-2020 7:58pm

As everyone is ganging up on me I'm going to watch Mary Berry.

I think it would be productive it people could reflect on the fact that the main page of boards is continuously filtered with obsessive threads about trans people with the sleaziest language.

That would be a good first step acknowledging this is happening.

Gruffalux · 30-09-2020 7:58pm

The bleat about not liking a thread appearing on the front page is so disingenuous.
Simple remedy. Select forums you want to follow. And either select my forums when you log on or have the boards/my forums url as your default log in. Someone will be able to explain how to do that better than me. Or you can select the 'my threads' tab and your eyes do not ever have to be offended.

There are plenty of threads I could not be arsed with. Trivially annoyed, where are you, views on multiculturalism, sport, some kind of werewolf weirdness I cannot figure out, ms paint, it's endless how many things I am not interested in. There was or perhaps still is an enormous thread about shyte. Somehow one manages.

You are plenty well able to dish the contempt as well, so stop with the obsequious thanking and pretending to be sheltered and easily offended. Topics have to be thrashed out. And your views are not the only ones that exist.

cdeb · 30-09-2020 7:58pm

TheBlackPill wrote: »

And their home addesses too. So if they are not woke enough i can doorstep them to discuss their moderation further

As a mod who identifies as "zur", not "their", I find your comment offensive.

/sarcasm (Just in case!)

banie01 · 30-09-2020 7:58pm

Gatling wrote: »

Boards on zoom.

That way it's all transparent we can literally see into to each others world as we discussed topic's live in HD

Awww see!
Now I actually kind of really want that!

I'm too ugly for HD tho!

Danzy · 30-09-2020 7:59pm

All mods should be diverse but the one thing they'll inevitably have is a common upper middle class modern left leaning background or they'll be problematic as well.

That's the one thing they'll never accept diversity In.

A gay person who isn't on script will be bounced out as quick as any one else who thinks ina way that isn't liked.

cdeb · 30-09-2020 7:59pm

Sterling Worried Mackerel wrote: »

As everyone is ganging up on me I'm going to watch Mary Berry.

Actually nobody's ganging up on you.

They're disagreeing with you, and the opportunity is there to debate the points on either side and explore the issues.

But you just keep reiterating the same point while actively ignoring what people are saying to you.

osarusan · 30-09-2020 8:00pm

Sterling Worried Mackerel wrote: »

For a place that has so many topics about the above, there is a distinct lack of voices from such, and if a woman gets a bit uppity she's shot down.

Seems like you've been on boards for a while, but only discovered the...ah...joys of Current Affairs. It's the sewer of boards, and has been since it was set up. Populated with its share of total dicks, and has been since it was set up. They eventually get banned only to reregister and do it all over again.

You would do yourself and your inner calm a big favour by just never going back into the forum.

30-09-2020 8:00pm

Sterling Worried Mackerel wrote: »

Thank you for your contribution.

That's, as you say the kicker, progress often comes kicking and screaming.

Thank you for your thanks for my contribution

I don't believe in the merit of declaring one's own beliefs as 'progress', it is a transparently self-congratulatory act that low-key denigrates opposing views without providing a rejoinder of any substance so I regret that I cannot myself thank you for your contribution.

Danzy · 30-09-2020 8:00pm

Sterling Worried Mackerel wrote: »

As everyone is ganging up on me I'm going to watch Mary Berry.

I think it would be productive it people could reflect on the fact that the main page of boards is continuously filtered with obsessive threads about trans people with the sleaziest language.

That would be a good first step acknowledging this is happening.

It isn't though.

0xzmro3n4y7lb5 · 30-09-2020 8:01pm

osarusan wrote: »

Seems like you've been on boards for a while, but only discovered the...ah...joys of Current Affairs. It's the sewer of boards, and has been since it was set up. Populated with its share of total dicks, and has been since it was set up. They eventually get banned only to reregister and do it all over again.

You would do yourself and your inner calm a big favour by just never going back into the forum.

Thank you for your contribution.

I did notice a lot of them are new users who only post on that or one other forum.

30-09-2020 8:02pm

Sterling Worried Mackerel wrote: »

As everyone is ganging up on me I'm going to watch Mary Berry.

I think it would be productive it people could reflect on the fact that the main page of boards is continuously filtered with obsessive threads about trans people with the sleaziest language.

That would be a good first step acknowledging this is happening.

Would you rather no discussion or only discussion that you agree with?

Can you suggest the gender, age and racial profile of the mod most likely to guarantee you your preferred outcome? Perhaps specificity would aid us in reaching an outcome here.

jam_mac_jam · 30-09-2020 8:03pm

Danzy wrote: »

All mods should be diverse but the one thing they'll inevitably have is a common upper middle class modern left leaning background

That's the one thing they'll never accept diversity.

A gay person who isn't on script will be bounced out as quick as any one else who thinks ina way that isn't liked.

As if there aren't any right wing gay or black people. Almost like people don't base all their opninions on these things.

But yes never any mention of class. Ever.

Gruffalux · 30-09-2020 8:07pm

And what are you going to do with a female mod who doesn't agree with you?!

Beasty · 30-09-2020 8:07pm

Sterling Worried Mackerel wrote: »

"There's a place on this site for pretty much everyone except for those who simply want to stir things".

The implication is that I am a 'stirrer' and the people I disagree with who use the sleaziest of language, who name call me, aren't.

I'm sorry if you read it that way. It was certainly not intended. Most of the posters I am referring to are sitebanned as trolls, re-reg trolls, spammers and the like

I have no issue with you starting this thread, particularly as it gives me the opportunity to set out my own perspective after being on the site for over a decade as a "registered user" posting in a couple of relatively niche forums, then as a moderator of both forums. I expanded my responsibility across all Sports Forums as a Category moderator. In doing that I experience all the issues around the likes of the Soccer Forum and to a lesser extent Rugby. I then took on sitewide responsibilities and in that role was quite close to the creation of the Current Affairs (and after that Coronavirus) forum

If I look at my own posting record, a significant proportion of my 40k+ posts (not far off 50%) have been in private mods forums discussing issues across the site, and when I add my "visible" moderating posts, and dealings in the likes of Feedback it comes to well over 50% of "non-personal" posting

I have dedicated a lot of time to this site over that 10+ years. I've got a lot out of it as well. I've been told I'm "brain dead", apparently I'm a leftie, as well as a "rightie" (although I would challenge anyone to work out what my political leanings are based on what I have posted on this site). I've been threatened with physical violence. People have tried to doxx me (although I've never tried to hide my real identity) in the hope they can stir things for me elsewhere. I've even had to deal with posters who claim to be close to the Dublin gangland scene

The one thing I will come back to based on all those experiences on this site is it does cater for a very wide range of views. Posters sometimes fall foul of the rules. Sometimes we as mods get it wrong. Ultimately though the vast, vast majority of posters find this site a very useful resource, and a place where they can make friends (sometimes friends in the "real world" - I personally know and are friends with a very large number of posters, but equally I have acted against some of those posters when required - that does not affect my friendships, and nor des that make such posters "stirrers" or "troublemakers")

Gatling · 30-09-2020 8:10pm

Gruffalux wrote: »

And what are you going to do with a female mod who doesn't agree with you?!

Demand a transmod

Beasty · 30-09-2020 8:11pm

banie01 wrote: »

I want mods to include their photo, pro-nouns and qualifications!

My photo is there in my avatar. Please refer to me as "Sir" or "Warden Hodges". I'm a qualified First Aider, but other than that have not received any qualifications since my last exam on 11 July 1985. I hope to be the first Site Administrator drawing his pension in a few weeks time (not from here I might add:pac:)

Gruffalux · 30-09-2020 8:14pm

Beasty wrote: »

My photo is there in my avatar. Please refer to me as "Sir" or "Warden Hodges". I'm a qualified First Aider, but other than that have not received any qualifications since my last exam on 11 July 1985. I hope to be the first Site Administrator drawing his pension in a few weeks time (not from here I might add:pac:)

I always think posters look exactly like their avatars. Silly but I can't help it.

Gatling · 30-09-2020 8:15pm

Gruffalux wrote: »

I always think posters look exactly like their avatars. Silly but I can't help it.

Well hello Nurse

Gruffalux · 30-09-2020 8:16pm

Gatling wrote: »

Well hello Nurse

Mine is more an atmospheric representation of personality. I am not blond.

Overheal · 30-09-2020 8:17pm

So... what is the feedback?

Overheal · 30-09-2020 8:18pm

Gruffalux wrote: »

I always think posters look exactly like their avatars. Silly but I can't help it.

If only.

Signore Fancy Pants · 30-09-2020 8:18pm

Overheal wrote: »

So... what is the feedback?

Thank you for your contribution.

Gatling · 30-09-2020 8:19pm

Gruffalux wrote: »

Mine is more an atmospheric representation of personality. I am not blond.

Still , I don't look much like Optimus prime either was batman for a good few years too ,not exactly Bruce Wayne either

Neyite · 30-09-2020 8:23pm

Gruffalux wrote: »

I always think posters look exactly like their avatars. Silly but I can't help it.

Tall, long-legged, slim, graceful, warm blonde, mild mannered with ridiculously long eyelashes?

Yes that's exactly what I look like.

Overheal · 30-09-2020 8:23pm

Gatling wrote: »

Still , I don't look much like Optimus prime either was batman for a good few years too ,not exactly Bruce Wayne either

Well... that's because that's not Optimus Prime. It's Ultra Magnus. Surrender your nerd badge.

Gruffalux · 30-09-2020 8:26pm

Neyite wrote: »

Tall, long-legged, slim, graceful, warm blonde, mild mannered with ridiculously long eyelashes?

Yes that's exactly what I look like.

I knew it!!

Gatling · 30-09-2020 8:26pm

Overheal wrote: »

Well... that's because that's not Optimus Prime. It's Ultra Magnus. Surrender your nerd badge.

Nooooooooooo

Say it ain't so , I've been living a lie

Overheal · 30-09-2020 8:29pm

Gatling wrote: »

Nooooooooooo

Say it ain't so , I've been living a lie

Uh yeah, you're a regular Rachel Dolezal

Irish Aris · 30-09-2020 8:30pm

Sterling Worried Mackerel wrote: »

Thank you for your contribution.

I think then that's a shame and I feel it's sad for moderators like JoeyParrot for example.

Is it because Boards.ie sees it's social obligation filled by having a forum for LGBTQIA+ but when threads spread into the main pages it's different.

I think a lack of diverse voices is evident on the forums if even you are uncomfortable with it.

It reminds me of people who say I don't see colour, which is very easy for a white person to say.

Do you not think the obsession with trans peoples genitalia is, sleazy, to rob the word from another poster?

Does it ever cross your mind that Boards isn't a welcoming place for women, LGBTQI+ (Outside that forum) or People of Colour?

that last phrase - I think you read too much into it.
Not sure how long you have been a member in boards and how familiar you are with certain topics, but in Current Affairs (and After Hours) the variety on topics is wide and discussions can become very heated - like the one in reference.

If you think about it: do you really want to discuss a topic like that in Current Affairs? Isn't the LGBT subforum a better place to have a meaningful discussion about it? Not to say that things won't get heated there but normally people are a bit more familiar with the concept and can discuss reasonably.

I will be honest with you: Having been a member of boards for nearly 9 years now, I never go to threads in Current Affairs or After Hours unless it is something really for fun and chances are that nothing heated would happen except for some normal bunter.

Boards is very wide and not everything would suit you (or anyone) so I think you need to pick the forums that suit you and follow only them.

Deebles McBeebles · 30-09-2020 8:37pm

Overheal wrote: »

Well... that's because that's not Optimus Prime. It's Ultra Magnus. Surrender your nerd badge.

Dude, that is some deep cut knowledge. I'd be impressed if it wasn't so incredibly nerdy!

Signore Fancy Pants · 30-09-2020 8:38pm

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

Thank you for your contribution.

Thank you for your contribution.

Gatling · 30-09-2020 9:00pm

Overheal wrote: »

Uh yeah, you're a regular Rachel Dolezal

My secret is out I'm a trans/former I'm an Autobot trapped in the wrong bot .

Is there a special club ?

cdeb · 30-09-2020 9:05pm

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

Thank you for your contribution.

Do you know, that repeated inanity was reminding me of something -

It is my pleasure to open for you...

Zark off.

...and my satisfaction to close again with the knowledge of a job well done.

I said zark off.

Thank you for listening to this message.

Deebles McBeebles · 30-09-2020 9:24pm

Beasty wrote: »

I have dedicated a lot of time to this site over that 10+ years. I've got a lot out of it as well. I've been told I'm "brain dead", apparently I'm a leftie, as well as a "rightie" (although I would challenge anyone to work out what my political leanings are based on what I have posted on this site). I've been threatened with physical violence. People have tried to doxx me (although I've never tried to hide my real identity) in the hope they can stir things for me elsewhere. I've even had to deal with posters who claim to be close to the Dublin gangland scene.

The Beast.

Thank you for your contribution.

gozunda · 30-09-2020 9:25pm

Sterling Worried Mackerel wrote: »

Is there any Female, LGBTQI+ (Outside that forum) or People of Colour Mods?
The tone of the men creates a hostile environment and they all seem to back each other up. Allowing new registered posters free reign on using the word ‘retard’ and the vilest objectification of women. Is boards the place diversity left behind? I bring this up as I feel it’s a very intimidating place because of the toxic masculinity on display.

My apologies being late to the party so to speak.

You have no idea who is or identifies as what - other than your own bias.

You have also called on mods here for their personal details - even where it is forbidden by law to request any such details under Discrimination legislation.

Tbh - I'd suggest you are making it up or having a laugh - though its hard to tell. If not may I suggest you restrict your Comfort level to "talking about Aldi products" as you've outlined in your posts and block all those you bizarrely perceive as misogynists, sexists and racists from coming to your attention. Just a suggestion.

No need to thank me btw

Dravokivich · 30-09-2020 9:25pm

Gatling wrote: »

My secret is out I'm a trans/former I'm an Autobot trapped in the wrong bot .

Is there a special club ?

Funny enough, I believe that kinda happened to ultra magnus. He received a position of authority he wasn't capable of delivering.

Beasty · 30-09-2020 9:26pm

OK guys, this is for feedback. I know the odd attempt at humour does not go amiss in some of these threads, but let's not allow that sort of thing to take over this thread

0xzmro3n4y7lb5 · 30-09-2020 9:32pm

Beasty wrote: »

OK guys, this is for feedback. I know the odd attempt at humour does not go amiss in some of these threads, but let's not allow that sort of thing to take over this thread

Yes we know it’s humour when one gang do it but if I try humour it’s called trolling.

That’s because you’re all cut from the same cloth and any diverse thought opinion is not welcome.

cdeb · 30-09-2020 9:42pm

That's a bit of a leap of logic.

Have you anything to back that up, or is this like your previous posts where you think that things are true because you say them?

You've very ignorantly dismissed my comments for example - I'm not sure what that says about your real interest in diverse opinions? You do seem interested in hearing only what you want to hear

Beasty · 30-09-2020 10:00pm

Sterling Worried Mackerel wrote: »

Yes we know it’s humour when one gang do it but if I try humour it’s called trolling.

That’s because you’re all cut from the same cloth and any diverse thought opinion is not welcome.

As has been already highlighted - everyone on this site (beyond organisations having verified representative status and full time staff) are entitled to their anonymity. It would be a breach of GDPR for us to "profile" mods based on what is Personally Identifiable Information.

Do you want to turn it into a full time business for moderators (a business that has very little income to pay us)? Such a change, even if viable, would in my view completely destroy the site. How many full time moderators do you think the site could afford? 1?, maybe 2? How much diversity would that bring? Is that what you want?

We currently have around 400 mods across the site. Based on posts (and indeed personally knowing some), I would surmise there are male mods, female mods, trans mods, gay mods, Irish mods, non-Irish mods, even "old" mods (The only ones I can properly vouch for are the last two....)

Female, LGBTQI+ or People of Colour Mods

Comments