2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

29-09-2020 09:45PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Very unfair, I put the Veritas stuff there and was very specific in saying they were allegations.

In fairness, you've posted stuff from plenty of not credible sources in the past. It's a lack of critical thinking if you're not willing to have a look at the track of your sources...

29-09-2020 09:46PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

One needs to be very careful with their words

Only if they are spreading bullsh1t

DraftDodger · 29-09-2020 09:47PM

mcmoustache wrote: »

Source please.

https://thejeffreylord.com/biden-asks-for-two-bathroom-breaks-during-90-minute-debate/?utm_source=socialflow

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/breaking-joe-bidens-campaign-requests-breaks-every-30-minutes-tonights-first-debate/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons

mcmoustache · 29-09-2020 09:47PM

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

Biden's hypocrisy. Joe and Jill Biden created two corporations so they can pay themselves so they could avoid having to pay payroll taxes collected to fund Social Security and Medicare..The name of the S-Corporations are CelticCapri and Giacoppa.

The Wall Street Journal

The Intercept’s Ryan Grim in 2019;

Source

Article by Ryan Ellis in The Washington Examiner goes in the great detail but:

The Washington Examiner

God only knows what else he's been up to in his 36 years in the senate and 8 years as vice president.

So, are you now saying that reducing one's tax liability legally is wrong? I'm finding it hard to keep up with your positions.

gmisk · 29-09-2020 09:48PM

DraftDodger wrote: »

https://thejeffreylord.com/biden-asks-for-two-bathroom-breaks-during-90-minute-debate/?utm_source=socialflow

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/breaking-joe-bidens-campaign-requests-breaks-every-30-minutes-tonights-first-debate/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons

Are you joking with those as sources?!
The absolute state of both those websites.. laughable

Jeffrey lord is a serious trump fan... ridiculously biased.
The gateway pundit is a far right website....

DraftDodger · 29-09-2020 09:50PM

gmisk wrote: »

Are you joking with those as sources?!
The absolute state of both those websites.. laughable

Doesnt fit your agenda then;)

mcmoustache · 29-09-2020 09:51PM

DraftDodger wrote: »

https://thejeffreylord.com/biden-asks-for-two-bathroom-breaks-during-90-minute-debate/?utm_source=socialflow

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/breaking-joe-bidens-campaign-requests-breaks-every-30-minutes-tonights-first-debate/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons

Neither of those are sources. I read them for the craic and they don't say where the information except for the first link which says that Fox reported it.

I'm looking for the source - the place where the claim was first made. It's not hard. It's been posted here already.

DraftDodger · 29-09-2020 09:53PM

Biden refusing drug test.... check

Biden refusing ear piece examination....check

Biden wanting toilet break every 30 minutes....check

Not a good look for old Joe.

mcmoustache · 29-09-2020 09:53PM

gmisk wrote: »

Are you joking with those as sources?!
The absolute state of both those websites.. laughable

Jeffrey lord is a serious trump fan... ridiculously biased.
The gateway pundit is a far right website....

That and they aren't even sources - they're just blogs repeating the claim. They might as well be someone's facebook account.

gmisk · 29-09-2020 09:54PM

DraftDodger wrote: »

Biden refusing drug test.... check

Biden refusing ear piece examination....check

Biden wanting toilet break every 30 minutes....check

Not a good look for old Joe.

All of the above completely made up....check
Your embarrassing yourself

Sonics2k · 29-09-2020 09:55PM

DraftDodger wrote: »

Biden refusing drug test.... check

Biden refusing ear piece examination....check

Biden wanting toilet break every 30 minutes....check

Not a good look for old Joe.

I find it deeply deeply ironic that Trump fans love to declare fake news, but so happily continue to spread it when it suits them.

extra gravy · 29-09-2020 09:55PM

DraftDodger wrote: »

Biden refusing drug test.... check

Biden refusing ear piece examination....check

Biden wanting toilet break every 30 minutes....check

Not a good look for old Joe.

Gob****es believing everything they see on Facebook...check

mcmoustache · 29-09-2020 09:57PM

DraftDodger wrote: »

Biden refusing drug test.... check

Biden refusing ear piece examination....check

Biden wanting toilet break every 30 minutes....check

Not a good look for old Joe.

Falling for and repeating nonsense isn't a good look for anyone.

DraftDodger · 29-09-2020 09:58PM

The fact that Biden has requested a break every 30 min during the debate tonight is all you need to know. Throw out policies and parties..... unfit is unfit!

duploelabs · 29-09-2020 10:00PM

DraftDodger wrote: »

The fact that Biden has requested a break every 30 min during the debate tonight is all you need to know. Throw out policies and parties..... unfit is unfit!

Except he didn't though

salmocab · 29-09-2020 10:00PM

extra gravy wrote: »

Gob****es believing everything they see on Facebook...check

But they don’t believe it they are just making noise

Sonics2k · 29-09-2020 10:01PM

DraftDodger wrote: »

The fact that Biden has requested a break every 30 min during the debate tonight is all you need to know. Throw out policies and parties..... unfit is unfit!

He didn't though. Why must you peddle lies?

Biden has actual faults, but the fact you insist on pushing outright lies is just pitiful. It's quite pathetic.

Foxtrol · 29-09-2020 10:02PM

DraftDodger wrote: »

Biden refusing drug test.... check

Biden refusing ear piece examination....check

Biden wanting toilet break every 30 minutes....check

Not a good look for old Joe.

Not good look for Trump...

https://twitter.com/Scaramucci/status/1311046253996847104?s=20

Cody montana · 29-09-2020 10:06PM

"JUST IN: Joe Biden refuses to take a pregnancy test prior to tonight's debate. The question remains: What is he hiding?

Developing."

eire4 · 29-09-2020 10:10PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

No problem having a difference of opinion, however you claimed there was no evidence and there clearly is.

Or that in most of the US their votes 'don't matter' due to being so red/blue/pure gerrymandering at a state level or that they are actively stopped from voting.

A person ran on your principles, using a lot of your lines, and failed to get enough interest from the party of the left to win their nomination. You can keep blaming others but there is no evidence of your opinion having any basis in the real world.

I think his run in 2020 proved Bernie's appeal in the primaries in 2016 were a mirage. 4 years to build on his efforts and he did drastically worse.

But again, your opinion of what those voters will do is all in your head. Bernie talked on and on about this group and they never showed up or if they did they didn't support him.

There are a sizeable group of Americans that disagree with the principles of the left.

I'm sorry but you're the one that is being incredibly myopic and borderline childish in your approach.

Firstly, you can't 'legislate' without power. What it sounds like you want is what the left is in Ireland and the UK, shouting from the sidelines. You aren't doing anything to actually improve the lives of people but at least you're 'pure'. It is an incredibly selfish approach.

Secondly, losing elections in the hopes of winning in the future is beyond wishful thinking when the person in power gets to set the rules. Between gerrymandering and the power to decide election rules it becomes harder and harder. Look at how certain states lessening the number of polling locations in minority areas or making it more difficult/complicated to vote by mail.

Thirdly, with packing the courts it makes it harder and harder to enact legislation when you get into power. The new conservative majority in the supreme court can block everything from voters rights to gun control to healthcare reform. The more you lose the harder things get at every level of the court.

Fourthly, for you it might be a case that you have the privilege to play a 'long game' but for many 4 more years of Trump is the difference between life and death

You mentioned Sanders and yes he did run in the last 2 Democratic primaries. He is of course an independent not part of the Democratic party. The democratic party has no interest now or in the past 40 odd years of doing what is best for the best economic interests of the vast majority of Americans.
Your point showed that an independent cannot come out on top by himself. But I would posit that merely shows how bankrupt the system is as the 2 establishment parties make sure no alternative viable national parties can emerge to challenge their duopoly on power in DC and a person by himself cannot do it either.

Agree with you gerrymandering is part and parcel of the utter corruption that is the US system.

The fact that you describe the Democratic party as the party of the left is utterly risible. Economically they are a centre right party. There is no left wing party in the US currently.
As for blaming that seems to be the usual corporate Democratic response when they lose or don't get what they arrogantly believe they should. I mean how dare people not vote for a party that has no interest in their best economic interests beyond some crumbs. I am not blaming anybody or thing other then pointing out the utter corruption of the system and how the corporate Democrats while the lesser of 2 evils are very much part of that corruption and maintaining that corruption.

And then come the insults as expected the usual arrogance from corporate Democrats who cannot fathom the idea that many people will not vote for a party that does not care for them economically.

Your being either disingenuous or wilfully ignorant claiming that suddenly Democrats would be completely out of power and have no future if they returned to being a more FDR like party. But certainty the sorry state the country is in is due to the short sightedness and myopia of Democrats trying to beat Republicans at their own game and not focusing long term as Republicans did and thus the US is in the sorry state it is.

DraftDodger · 29-09-2020 10:11PM

Biden and Trump in bust up before debate

https://twitter.com/RedTailspin/status/1311049411812716545

The_Brood · 29-09-2020 10:13PM

Perhaps one of the greatest shams in western democracy is these 2-minute round soundbites between the presidents that people dare to call "debates." Prepared party line talking points. Give me a break. Sit down with Joe Rogan for a good 4-5 hours and actually discuss matters? No thats too radical. Plus Trump has already lost, everyone with a brain knows that. This is just his platform to plug his news network when he's gone. A sham that only fools will watch.

ohnonotgmail · 29-09-2020 10:15PM

DraftDodger wrote: »

The fact that Biden has requested a break every 30 min during the debate tonight is all you need to know. Throw out policies and parties..... unfit is unfit!

you have a lie per word percentage that would make trump blush.

Foxtrol · 29-09-2020 10:20PM

The_Brood wrote: »

Perhaps one of the greatest shams in western democracy is these 2-minute round soundbites between the presidents that people dare to call "debates." Prepared party line talking points. Give me a break. Sit down with Joe Rogan for a good 4-5 hours and actually discuss matters? No thats too radical. Plus Trump has already lost, everyone with a brain knows that. This is just his platform to plug his news network when he's gone. A sham that only fools will watch.

Joe Rogan, the well known conspiracy theorist and far right booster?

I'm fine listening to him talk to fighters but he has no place anywhere near an election.

relax carry on · 29-09-2020 10:26PM

mcmoustache wrote: »

For the same reason he brought in the Project Veritas thing while putting on the "Not sure if this is true but if it is... wow" act. It's obvious what he's at.

He's just copying his tangerine hero. "A lot of people are saying". Throw random gibberish out and hope you confuse everyone enough to paper over the countless cracks in whatever this hours self inflicted crisis is for team Donnie.

Timberrrrrrrr · 29-09-2020 10:27PM

Carfacemandog wrote: »

If I recall they tend to be live on youtube, but it's not until 2am so I highly doubt I'll be up for it.

Its live on sky and BBC news channels

The_Brood · 29-09-2020 10:28PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

Joe Rogan, the well known conspiracy theorist and far right booster?

I'm fine listening to him talk to fighters but he has no place anywhere near an election.

Yeah nothing but crazy right wingers like Bernie Sanders on his show calling for long form debates, good job Biden and the Democratic establishment saved us from that crazy old goon!

/s

Timberrrrrrrr · 29-09-2020 10:30PM

DraftDodger wrote: »

Biden refusing drug test.... LIE

Biden refusing ear piece examination....LIE

Biden wanting toilet break every 30 minutes....LIE

Not a good look for old Joe.

Fixed that for you kiddo

Foxtrol · 29-09-2020 10:40PM

eire4 wrote: »

You mentioned Sanders and yes he did run in the last 2 Democratic primaries. He is of course an independent not part of the Democratic party. The democratic party has no interest now or in the past 40 odd years of doing what is best for the best economic interests of the vast majority of Americans.
Your point showed that an independent cannot come out on top by himself. But I would posit that merely shows how bankrupt the system is as the 2 establishment parties make sure no alternative viable national parties can emerge to challenge their duopoly on power in DC and a person by himself cannot do it either.

So he couldn't get the party of the 'left' in the US to support his policies but you believe there is widespread support for them?

Agree with you gerrymandering is part and parcel of the utter corruption that is the US system.

The fact that you describe the Democratic party as the party of the left is utterly risible. Economically they are a centre right party. There is no left wing party in the US currently.

There is no significant right wing party in Ireland but it doesn't stop the left calling FG it.

If you're calling the democrat supporters too far right then you're narrowing yourself to a tiny proportion of the population.

As for blaming that seems to be the usual corporate Democratic response when they lose or don't get what they arrogantly believe they should. I mean how dare people not vote for a party that has no interest in their best economic interests beyond some crumbs. I am not blaming anybody or thing other then pointing out the utter corruption of the system and how the corporate Democrats while the lesser of 2 evils are very much part of that corruption and maintaining that corruption.

You're just on your high horse calling things that are life and death for people 'crumbs'.

And then come the insults as expected the usual arrogance from corporate Democrats who cannot fathom the idea that many people will not vote for a party that does not care for them economically.

I'm sorry if you're offended but the 'either get everything I want or I throw a tantrum' mindset is the definition of childishness.

Your being either disingenuous or wilfully ignorant claiming that suddenly Democrats would be completely out of power and have no future if they returned to being a more FDR like party. But certainty the sorry state the country is in is due to the short sightedness and myopia of Democrats trying to beat Republicans at their own game and not focusing long term as Republicans did and thus the US is in the sorry state it is.

The GOP's long game was to rig the system so they can win with less voters. Your long game is to allow the GOP more and more power to rig the system in a gamble that this group of voters want your model, despite there being no evidence of them on a national level electorally or in polling. It is pure fantasy that you're willing for others to hurt or die to test out.

Overheal · 29-09-2020 10:46PM

DraftDodger wrote: »

They have refused Biden toilet breaks which might be interesting.

DraftDodger wrote: »

Wow. Joe refusing to submit to the very fair earpiece check. Not a good look and suspicions have to be raised :eek:

https://www.westernjournal.com/report-biden-reneges-now-wont-submit-search-earpiece-debate/

DraftDodger wrote: »

Biden refusing drug test.... check

Biden refusing ear piece examination....check

Biden wanting toilet break every 30 minutes....check

Not a good look for old Joe.

DraftDodger wrote: »

The fact that Biden has requested a break every 30 min during the debate tonight is all you need to know. Throw out policies and parties..... unfit is unfit!

I see what we have going on here.

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1311030071231213574?s=20

2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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