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TCD Cancel Richard Dawkins.

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    #122
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    ToddDameron wrote: »
    Not being funny but I'm struggling to understand your viewpoint. You said you would be worried if you heard a protestant say"no surrender." But simultaneously criticise Dawkins for his opinion on "allahu akbar." Sounds like you are both on the same page.


    I am imperfect. Therefore I would worry if I heard no surrender.

    But also ..i have been conditioned and I recognize this.


    Whereas I have heard allah Akbar shouted in very celebratory happy joyous ways. So i am not conditioned to have the same response.

    I can understand why a victim of a bombing would HAVE such a response.

    As i said in another post. Its very human.

    Im not so sure Dawkins not having been through a terrorist event has been so traumatized or conditioned.

    Rather i feel he has been attacked by the left or ...been in the fight so much ...he just wanted to punch hard because he's trying to survive.

    Its just trying to shoot an arrow at an online target.


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    #123
    ILoveYourVibes
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    Absoluvely wrote: »
    Another TCD student society, 'The Phil', invited him and had him speak there in 2013, as their flagship event of the year. Times have changed.


    Its not just times that changed. Its also Dawkins himself who changed. Or let himself be changed by the opposition.


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    #124
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    nthclare wrote: »
    I'll wear it with pride without the prejudice :)
    BLOOMERS!


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    #125
    IAMAMORON
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    I think by disinviting an intellectual over their notions or ideals, is betraying students the opportunity to make their own minds up about something.


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    #126
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    I just thought of something.

    If Trinity had any issue over a lawsuit to do with sexual misconduct on campus etc. Or harassment. Either faculty or students.

    Having a slew of speakers who said stuff like he has said would not look good.

    Although i realize it was a society decision and not a faculty one.


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    #127
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,164 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    The_Brood wrote: »
    As someone who is not an atheist I disagree with Dawkins on many important matters, but the far-left that dominates academia, pop culture, and much of politics seeks to actively censor and cancel everything and anything remotely connected to science, history, and reason.

    Eh, that's not the far left, that is social liberalism.


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    #128
    bobbyy gee
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭bobbyy gee


    to be or not to be that is the question

    https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2013/09/richard-dawkins-criticizes-shakespeare-lacking-elite-education/311151/


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    #129
    Kraftwerk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 472 ✭✭Kraftwerk


    bobbyy gee wrote: »
    to be or not to be that is the question

    That's quite possibly the dumbest article I've ever read.


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    #130
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Kraftwerk wrote: »
    That's quite possibly the dumbest article I've ever read.

    He did really say some odd things about pedophilia.

    Dawkins has slowly become what he hates. Irrational.


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    #131
    kowloon
    Registered Users Posts: 13,340 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Secular liberal =/= Religious authoritarian. Do we just call ourselves whatever we want now with no regard to the meaning of words?


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    #132
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    kowloon wrote: »
    Secular liberal =/= Religious authoritarian. Do we just call ourselves whatever we want now with no regard to the meaning of words?
    dawkins is not liberal. And some of his comments can seem like while he is atheist he is not secular.


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    #133
    Mules
    Registered Users Posts: 514 ✭✭✭Mules


    Treppen wrote: »
    Have you got an example of that?

    The Frankfurt school/ critical theory, (sometimes known as cultural marxism) originated with German jews (in Frankfurt, unsuprisingly) They moved on to America during the rise of fascism. Very influential thinkers.


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    #134
    o1s1n
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    Master of the Universe


    Richard Dawkins has written some great books but is without a doubt, one of the worst representations of atheism to ever grace the public sphere. I absolutely cringe whenever I see him appear on anything, as much as I enjoy hearing his viewpoint.

    It's like trying to listen out for notes of beautiful music in nails screeching down a blackboard.


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    #135
    igCorcaigh
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    o1s1n wrote: »
    Richard Dawkins has written some great books but is without a doubt, one of the worst representations of atheism to ever grace the public sphere. I absolutely cringe whenever I see him appear on anything, as much as I enjoy hearing his viewpoint.

    It's like trying to listen out for notes of beautiful music in nails screeching down a blackboard.

    He needs a shaking up in his thinking alright. (and I'm an atheist).

    I would prescribe Richard one gram of dried liberty cap in a comfortable setting.


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    #136
    kowloon
    Registered Users Posts: 13,340 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    dawkins is not liberal. And some of his comments can seem like while he is atheist he is not secular.

    I was thinking more of the people cancelling the visit. I'll bet they consider themselves open-minded liberals when they're anything but.


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    #137
    igCorcaigh
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    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    dawkins is not liberal. And some of his comments can seem like while he is atheist he is not secular.

    Not secular?


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    #138
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    kowloon wrote: »
    I was thinking more of the people cancelling the visit. I'll bet they consider themselves open-minded liberals when they're anything but.
    ah i see


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    #139
    igCorcaigh
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    kowloon wrote: »
    I was thinking more of the people cancelling the visit. I'll bet they consider themselves open-minded liberals when they're anything but.

    The utter paradox of it all.


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    #140
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Not secular?

    Yes. The combining of religious ritual or symbols with nationality as he did with the cathedral bells.

    By the way ..he calls himself a christian.
    Richard Dawkins: 'I am a secular Christian

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/hay-festival/10853648/Richard-Dawkins-I-am-a-secular-Christian.html

    He also said he preached the teaching of christ. And called him christ rather than jesus of nazareth.

    He has swerved very close in some comments to saying he has faith.

    He has said things like ..a world without god would lead to moral decline.

    He has said ending religion would be a bad idea.
    Presumably only his religion.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ending-religion-is-a-bad-idea-says-richard-dawkins-sqqdbmcpq


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    #141
    da_miser
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    Lovely to see, the left turning on itself, guess he was not woke enough, suppose it happens eventually to everyone, there will always be someone pushing further to the left and canceling those who do not agree, meanwhile the rest of us sit back and laugh.


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    #142
    Kaybaykwah
    Registered Users Posts: 3,101 ✭✭✭Kaybaykwah


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    Students being a shower of self-important dickheads. Some things never change.


    Circumsised or no?

    That is the question.


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    #143
    fash
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    buried wrote: »
    I don't agree with Dawkins viewpoints, and I wouldn't be a fan of organised religion, I just don't dig his refusal to accept the possibility of a reality beyond what is perceptible to human senses in our evolving minds.
    I'm pretty certain he has never "refused" to accept the possibility of a reality beyond that perceptible to human senses - rather his position is "if you want to make an assertion, prove it". He does not have a "religious" belief (i.e. an unwarranted and absolute certainty) that such things do not exist - rather he simply acknowledges that such things are highly, highly unlikely but cannot be categorically ruled out.


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    #144
    [Deleted User]
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    Dawkins has said for years that on a scale of 1-7 (one being a religious fundamentalist and seven being atheist) he'd consider himself a 6.

    So his mind is open enough that if evidence of a God ever surfaces, he will accept that evidence.


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    #145
    Quantum Erasure
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    He only says that because he doesn't have the balls to say he knows there will never be any evidence


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    #146
    Brian?
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    da_miser wrote: »
    Lovely to see, the left turning on itself, guess he was not woke enough, suppose it happens eventually to everyone, there will always be someone pushing further to the left and canceling those who do not agree, meanwhile the rest of us sit back and laugh.

    Is Dawkins politically left? Was he cancelled by someone on the left?

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #147
    Quantum Erasure
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    Brian? wrote: »
    Is Dawkins politically left?

    Dawkins himself has stated that his political views are left-leaning.[1] However, many of Dawkins's political statements have created controversy among left-wing and atheist communities

    https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_of_Richard_Dawkins
    Was he cancelled by someone on the left?
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    #148
    Brian?
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    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    Dawkins himself has stated that his political views are left-leaning.[1] However, many of Dawkins's political statements have created controversy among left-wing and atheist communities

    https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_of_Richard_Dawkins





    bridodonnell.com

    He recently spoke at the Lib Dems conference in the UK. The Lib Dems are not left wing.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #149
    biko
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    The historical society strikes me as cowards.
    Debates aren't about comfort, they are about moving society forward.
    Too bad Hist have been hijacked by snowflakes.

    "I'm sorry, but we'll only do debates with people that think exactly like us" /posh accent


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    #150
    Wanderer78
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    biko wrote:
    The historical society strikes me as cowards. Debates aren't about comfort, they are about moving society forward. Too bad Hist have been hijacked by snowflakes.


    Why would they be cowards, what's a snowflake?


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    #151
    Danzy
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    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    If they feel hurt. I feel hurt.

    If you feel hurt. I feel hurt.

    It's all comes back to you.


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