Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

MerlinSouthDub · 28-09-2020 08:41AM

billybonkers wrote: »

to be fair there is a correlation between the rise in cases and the schools going back. It is easy to put the two together.

Hell of a lot more people moving around and interacting. Asymptomatic cases potentially in these settings and transferring back into homes is very possible.

But we will never have the level of testing to analyse it.

We'll never have enough testing in place to figure out where all the community cases are coming from so the best we could come up with is a 5 (8) level plans to restrict our movements and interactions to kerb the spread

Like it or not we'll never get the full picture. I guess it's best to not assume and just get on with it. We're going to be living like this for quite a while

But there isn't a correlation between schools reopening and cases increasing. Cases were increasing at the same (or higher) rate before schools reopened. I agree with everything else you are saying though.

billybonkers · 28-09-2020 08:44AM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

But there isn't a correlation between schools reopening and cases increasing. Cases were increasing at the same (or higher) rate before schools reopened. I agree with everything else you are saying though.

Absolutely fair.

My thinking is the big increase in people in general moving about. Purely analytical on my side but again I could be completely wrong. There have been cases in schools and some probably have transferred back to the home which could have added to our numbers. Hopefully the testing/tracing caught them early enough to stop further spread.

But that can be said for any environment people gather in which is why we have the "living with covid" plan I suppose

ACitizenErased · 28-09-2020 08:45AM

People will continue to spout the whole “its the schools fault” scenario constantly with zero numbers or evidence to back it up, it’s getting tiresome at this stage tbh

screamer · 28-09-2020 08:48AM

I still don’t think the schools are the big transmitter here, it’s elements of the general population and the under 50s really just throwing abandon to the wind and living as they used to before Covid hit.
We will see rising cases in schools for sure as we become more infected, but we’ll see that in other congregated settings including nursing homes. Really the big problem is just a behavioural one.

caveat emptor · 28-09-2020 08:50AM

City in Brazil thought to have herd immunity doesn't apparently.

https://twitter.com/andrewflood/status/1310311581708845059?s=20

MerlinSouthDub · 28-09-2020 08:51AM

Per the dashboard, 112 Covid patients in hospital as of this morning.

I thought this was interesting:
18/03/2020: 80 Covid patients
28/03/2020: 442 Covid patients

Increase = +452%

18/09/2020: 80 Covid patients
28/09/2020: 112 Covid patients

Increase = +40%

I'd love to see cases numbers stabilising/dropping but things are under a lot better control that we saw back in March.

The_Brood · 28-09-2020 08:52AM

CruelSummer wrote: »

People actually suggesting that schools close when children have more of a chance of being hit by lightning than seriously affected by Covid is wilful ignorance.
Targeting an area which is vital to our society & future is a disgraceful attitude by some posters on this thread. Actually suggesting destroying the futures & mental health of our younger generation and for what?!
Denying our young generation an education and not reopening in May on a phased basis was lost time & a mistake. There is now a lot of catching up to do.
Parents whose mortgage breaks from banks have finished & couldn't return to work if schools remained closed would have been a catastrophe for the economy & society.
Children are more at risk from flu and other seasonal illnesses, we don’t close them then?
Some children have zero support at home and are thrilled to be back at their schools.
Teachers are getting on with the job & doing a great one in the circumstances. Risk groups should be shielded and certain posters on this thread should provide clear evidence as to how & why schools are either the problem, what is their solution and how to deal with the disastrous consequences of such. This blanket ‘close the schools’ statement is ignorance of the highest order and shows certain posters lack of education or knowledge of such.

This post is so utterly embarrassing and devoid of logic - though sadly it also mirrors the government's philosophy. We need to keep the biggest virus spreader in the country open and punish everyone else because kids will be "thrilled" to see their friends again (Martin's own words too) ? What? Kids will have their futures and mental health destroyed because for the time being they may have to take online classes at home? This is not a joke?

I think all this is exposing the desperate, absolutely abysmal state of parenting in this country and maybe much of the modern world, where many/most parents cannot actually function with their children around, to such an extreme extent that they and the government are willing to see virus cases overwhelm everything and lead to further lockdowns for everyone. What does that say about the state of society?

And what does that say about us that we are willing to be ruled by such anti-science, anti-logic and common sense bunch of cowardly fools?

ACitizenErased · 28-09-2020 08:52AM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Per the dashboard, 112 Covid patients in hospital as of this morning.

I thought this was interesting:
18/03/2020: 80 Covid patients
28/03/2020: 442 Covid patients

Increase = +452%

18/09/2020: 80 Covid patients
28/09/2020: 112 Covid patients

Increase = +40%

I'd love to see cases numbers stabilising/dropping but things are under a lot better control that we saw back in March.

On some days in March/April we had up to 60/70 admissions. Mental stuff.

ACitizenErased · 28-09-2020 08:53AM

The_Brood wrote: »

This post is so utterly embarrassing and devoid of logic - though sadly it also mirrors the government's philosophy. We need to keep the biggest virus spreader in the country open and punish everyone else because kids will be "thrilled" to see their friends again (Martin's own words too) ? What? Kids will have their futures and mental health destroyed because for the time being they may have to take online classes at home? This is not a joke?

I think all this is exposing the desperate, absolutely abysmal state of parenting in this country and maybe much of the modern world, where many/most parents cannot actually function with their children around, to such an extreme extent that they and the government are willing to see virus cases overwhelm everything and lead to further lockdowns for everyone. What does that say about the state of society?

And what does that say about us that we are willing to be ruled by such anti-science, anti-logic and common sense bunch of cowardly fools?

What a bizarre post

Funsterdelux · 28-09-2020 08:56AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

People will continue to spout the whole “its the schools fault” scenario constantly with zero numbers or evidence to back it up, it’s getting tiresome at this stage tbh

A lot of posters here have kids and/or partners working in schools or are teachers. We are just concerned about the lack of planning and the rise in cases even before the schools opened. Personally my family is connected to 3 different schools.

Im not blaming the schools for everything, they are only part of the situation.

I dont get into the house parties or pubs debate much because I wouldnt have first hand knowledge.

28-09-2020 08:56AM

The periodic Pat Kenny-Sam McConkey love-in coming up. This should be good....

The_Brood · 28-09-2020 08:57AM

screamer wrote: »

I still don’t think the schools are the big transmitter here, it’s elements of the general population and the under 50s really just throwing abandon to the wind and living as they used to before Covid hit.
We will see rising cases in schools for sure as we become more infected, but we’ll see that in other congregated settings including nursing homes. Really the big problem is just a behavioural one.

That's nonsense. In Dublin at least people are supposed to be keeping 2 meter distance at shops, working from home, not gathering, and wearing masks. Are there people not doing that? Obviously, there is no question - but their non-compliance is absolutely nowhere near as bad as classrooms and schools filled from top to bottom with mingling kids who then go out and spread it all throughout society - and much more importantly, passing it on to parents who then themselves transmit it.

Oh and those who are breaking the distance rules the most in Dublin? Teenagers. They always travel in groups no matter what and couldn't care less about any signs or masks. Adults break the rules too, but again it's the teenagers that do it in overwhelming masses.

It's a multi-layered web, but most definitely the 'big transmitter' is indeed the piles and piles of kids mixing it up all throughout schools and spreading it everywhere else.

wowzer · 28-09-2020 08:57AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

People will continue to spout the whole “its the schools fault” scenario constantly with zero numbers or evidence to back it up, it’s getting tiresome at this stage tbh

The last part of your statement is partly the reason why the standards in this thread are falling and people are running away from it.

There was absolutely no reason to say "it's getting tiresome at this stage"
All you have done is get under people's skin by saying that. It's passive aggressive and you have taken a pot shot against everyone who has a view that's different to yours regarding schools.

Funsterdelux · 28-09-2020 08:58AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

City in Brazil thought to have herd immunity doesn't apparently.

https://twitter.com/andrewflood/status/1310311581708845059?s=20

Uruaguy are doing a good job considering having Brazil as neighbours.

Jinglejangle69 · 28-09-2020 08:59AM

The_Brood wrote: »

That's nonsense. In Dublin at least people are supposed to be keeping 2 meter distance at shops, working from home, not gathering, and wearing masks. Are there people not doing that? Obviously, there is no question - but their non-compliance is absolutely nowhere near as bad as classrooms and schools filled from top to bottom with mingling kids who then go out and spread it all throughout society - and much more importantly, passing it on to parents who then themselves transmit it.

It's a multi-layered web, but most definitely the 'big transmitter' is indeed the piles and piles of kids mixing it up all throughout schools and spreading it everywhere else.

They traced the surge in Donegal to communions and confirmation parties.

People have had enough and compliance is way down compared toarch and April.

Plumbthedepths · 28-09-2020 08:59AM

The_Brood wrote: »

This post is so utterly embarrassing and devoid of logic - though sadly it also mirrors the government's philosophy. We need to keep the biggest virus spreader in the country open and punish everyone else because kids will be "thrilled" to see their friends again (Martin's own words too) ? What? Kids will have their futures and mental health destroyed because for the time being they may have to take online classes at home? This is not a joke?

I think all this is exposing the desperate, absolutely abysmal state of parenting in this country and maybe much of the modern world, where many/most parents cannot actually function with their children around, to such an extreme extent that they and the government are willing to see virus cases overwhelm everything and lead to further lockdowns for everyone. What does that say about the state of society?

And what does that say about us that we are willing to be ruled by such anti-science, anti-logic and common sense bunch of cowardly fools?

I'm actually embarrassed for you that you took the time to type such rambling and demeaning nonsense.

Funsterdelux · 28-09-2020 09:00AM

Deleted User wrote: »

The periodic Pat Kenny-Sam McConkey love-in coming up. This should be good....

After the news?

Jinglejangle69 · 28-09-2020 09:00AM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

But there isn't a correlation between schools reopening and cases increasing. Cases were increasing at the same (or higher) rate before schools reopened. I agree with everything else you are saying though.

That's true.

August is when cases started increasing again.

Mid August.

Boggles · 28-09-2020 09:01AM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Per the dashboard, 112 Covid patients in hospital as of this morning.

I thought this was interesting:
18/03/2020: 80 Covid patients
28/03/2020: 442 Covid patients

Increase = +452%

18/09/2020: 80 Covid patients
28/09/2020: 112 Covid patients

Increase = +40%

I'd love to see cases numbers stabilising/dropping but things are under a lot better control that we saw back in March.

Well, there is 2 very pertinent and key differences.

We cleared the hospitals in March, we are now trying to juggle Covid and operate a health service.

To combat that surge we had the benefit of implementing a national stay at home order.

The margins of error have shrank considerably, so "under control" is relative to the wider situation. Also a 40% rate of growth can get very high very fast.

caveat emptor · 28-09-2020 09:01AM

Shocking scenes in Cork. Probably on road to lockdown. That is shocking behaviour in a pandemic. I thought corkonians were holier then everyone.

https://twitter.com/oconnellbrian/status/1310476233159868416?s=20

ACitizenErased · 28-09-2020 09:05AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Shocking scenes in Cork. Probably on road to lockdown. That is shocking behaviour in a pandemic. I thought corkonians were holier then everyone.

https://twitter.com/oconnellbrian/status/1310476233159868416?s=20

There’s about 15-20 people there, to be fair. Hardly “shocking scenes”...

Funsterdelux · 28-09-2020 09:05AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Shocking scenes in Cork. Probably on road to lockdown. That is shocking behaviour in a pandemic. I thought corkonians were holier then everyone.

https://twitter.com/oconnellbrian/status/1310476233159868416?s=20

Sounds like they were from Limerick :rolleyes:

billybonkers · 28-09-2020 09:07AM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Sounds like they were from Limerick :rolleyes:

Probably a group of Dubs flouting the lockdown

/s

28-09-2020 09:08AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

City in Brazil thought to have herd immunity doesn't apparently.

https://twitter.com/andrewflood/status/1310311581708845059?s=20

0.11% of the population of Manaus has died of Covid. That indicates they are nowhere no herd immunity with IFR for the virus at c.0.6%

The_Brood · 28-09-2020 09:08AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

They traced the surge in Donegal to communions and confirmation parties.

People have had enough and compliance is way down compared toarch and April.

Yep, the key trend being there is large indoor gatherings. None larger you can find than schools.

Funsterdelux · 28-09-2020 09:09AM

We are frogs

28-09-2020 09:11AM

The_Brood wrote: »

This post is so utterly embarrassing and devoid of logic - though sadly it also mirrors the government's philosophy. We need to keep the biggest virus spreader in the country open and punish everyone else because kids will be "thrilled" to see their friends again (Martin's own words too) ? What? Kids will have their futures and mental health destroyed because for the time being they may have to take online classes at home? This is not a joke?

I think all this is exposing the desperate, absolutely abysmal state of parenting in this country and maybe much of the modern world, where many/most parents cannot actually function with their children around, to such an extreme extent that they and the government are willing to see virus cases overwhelm everything and lead to further lockdowns for everyone. What does that say about the state of society?

And what does that say about us that we are willing to be ruled by such anti-science, anti-logic and common sense bunch of cowardly fools?

There is a post on this thread that is devoid of logic and embarrassing

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/sep/27/too-many-children-tested-for-covid-leading-study-schools?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

DraftDodger · 28-09-2020 09:11AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Shocking scenes in Cork. Probably on road to lockdown. That is shocking behaviour in a pandemic. I thought corkonians were holier then everyone.

https://twitter.com/oconnellbrian/status/1310476233159868416?s=20

Pure scummers.

28-09-2020 09:13AM

The_Brood wrote: »

That's nonsense. In Dublin at least people are supposed to be keeping 2 meter distance at shops, working from home, not gathering, and wearing masks. Are there people not doing that? Obviously, there is no question - but their non-compliance is absolutely nowhere near as bad as classrooms and schools filled from top to bottom with mingling kids who then go out and spread it all throughout society - and much more importantly, passing it on to parents who then themselves transmit it.

Oh and those who are breaking the distance rules the most in Dublin? Teenagers. They always travel in groups no matter what and couldn't care less about any signs or masks. Adults break the rules too, but again it's the teenagers that do it in overwhelming masses.

It's a multi-layered web, but most definitely the 'big transmitter' is indeed the piles and piles of kids mixing it up all throughout schools and spreading it everywhere else.

And yet the case rate in age groups 5-14 and 15 to 24 has not changed relative to overall case numbers since schools have returned. You can continue to ignore this all you wish. But its true

DraftDodger · 28-09-2020 09:14AM

s1ippy wrote: »

It's wilful ignorance. A combination of relief; because there's "normality" again and because the children drove them mad.

It's quite sad - a combination of economic desperation and parental neglect will be what leads the country to ruin.

So so true. Many aren't fit to be parents truth be known.

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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