Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

28-09-2020 06:43AM

The_Brood wrote: »

Keeping schools opened is doing this and it is astonishing there is no discussion about closing them.

The amount of blind trust the public has in this government is beyond me. There is this blind faith that they somehow know what they're doing, that as long as we leave everything in their hands, they will choose what's best for us.

And all this despite logical failing after failing.

Schools, green lists, restrictions etc they have absolutely failed to take any correct decison.

The rate of cases among school age children relative to other age groups is unchanged since schools returned and the rate of increase is reducing

28-09-2020 06:45AM

s1ippy wrote: »

It's wilful ignorance. A combination of relief; because there's "normality" again and because the children drove them mad.

It's quite sad - a combination of economic desperation and parental neglect will be what leads the country to ruin.

That is an absolutely disgusting comment

Funsterdelux · 28-09-2020 06:49AM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I added this link to my post

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/schools-childcare/reopening-schools.html

And another

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/flu-vs-covid19.html

There are loads of other studies showing that covid is far less dangerous for kids

Thanks

Its still new and evolving, we wont know the full picture for many years to come. I know I said Im not worried about them catching it but I still dont want them to catch it. This time last year it was possible still only in its original host.

My main point is schools are one of the main drivers at the moment for spreading. Its clear the gov/hse assured teacher unions that there would be fast tracking of testing/contact tracing for schools. Its obvious thats not the case. Most of us want schools open, but only if safe.

There'll be a lot more kids catching covid this year than the flu.

Funsterdelux · 28-09-2020 06:51AM

Deleted User wrote: »

That is an absolutely disgusting comment

Sickenly true though

:eek:

s1ippy · 28-09-2020 06:56AM

An absolutely disgusting state of affairs.

podgeandrodge · 28-09-2020 07:03AM

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

The amount of tests being carried out per head of population in each county is what is causing increased numbers in certain counties. Problem is no one is drilling down into the numbers.

Example. County A. Population 100,000. 10,000 tests carried out. 200 positive results.

County B. Population 100,000. 30,000 Tests carried out. 600 positive.

County B gets locked down because no one drilled down into the numbers. I blame the media for not asking the right questions, or when they do they allow themselves to be fobbed off.

Is this what is happening in terms of green countries and other restrictions to visiting countries based on number of cases - is it not taking into account some extrapolation of likely actual cases based on numbers of testing? Surely otherwise the case numbers are completely inconsistent?

MerlinSouthDub · 28-09-2020 07:28AM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Thanks

My main point is schools are one of the main drivers at the moment for spreading. Its clear the gov/hse assured teacher unions that there would be fast tracking of testing/contact tracing for schools. Its obvious thats not the case. Most of us want schools open, but only if safe.

What evidence do you have that schools are one of the main drivers of infection?

normanoffside · 28-09-2020 07:41AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

So the 1802 people who died from Covid, aren't actually dead?
I'm sure those grieving families should be told.

With Covid

Non solum non ambulabit · 28-09-2020 07:42AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Because someone eating curry cheese chip's and ice-cream doesn't cause a person they were in contact with to drop dead. You see that?

Obese people are the biggest users of scarce health resources in this country. They are causing health services to be stretched and results in worse outcomes for people actually in need.

I would contend that obese people cause the premaature deaths of many and others to live longer in chronic pain due to resources tied up treating them.

Happydays2020 · 28-09-2020 07:54AM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Obese people are the biggest users of scarce health resources in this country. They are causing health services to be stretched and results in worse outcomes for people actually in need.

I would contend that obese people cause the premaature deaths of many and others to live longer in chronic pain due to resources tied up treating them.

And the State continues to give a subsidy on many of the the foods which most cause obesity. The zero VAT rate for certain foods should be removed.

Funsterdelux · 28-09-2020 08:01AM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

What evidence do you have that schools are one of the main drivers of infection?

Schools plus activities connected to schools. Communions parties etc.

Its obvious but we wont have any evidence for some time.

Its one of many

28-09-2020 08:04AM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

And the State continues to give a subsidy on many of the the foods which most cause obesity. The zero VAT rate for certain foods should be removed.

Its not the food that cuases obesity, its the way certain people consume them. There is nothing on the zero vat rate that when consumed as part of a balanced diet is any concern from an obesity point of view, and the majority who consume in a reasonable manner should not be penalised due to the actions of the minority

Champagne Sally · 28-09-2020 08:06AM

Followed all these threads but lately I’m finding it’s gone to the dogs. Pity, it was a great resource. Unfollow.

28-09-2020 08:06AM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Schools plus activities connected to schools. Communions parties etc.

Its obvious but we wont have any evidence for some time.

Its one of many

None in other words - communions are a religious not educational activity, and the rate of cases in children relative to other age groups has not increased. I will keep repeating that until provided some contradictory evidence

Funsterdelux · 28-09-2020 08:09AM

Deleted User wrote: »

None in other words - communions are a religious not educational activity, and the rate of cases in children relative to other age groups has not increased. I will keep repeating that until provided some contradictory evidence

Ok stats man, I agree religious activity isnt educational.

Show me the number of families that will continue the sacrements if taken out of schools!

A large chunk of class time is afforded to it.

Jim_Hodge · 28-09-2020 08:10AM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Schools plus activities connected to schools. Communions parties etc.

Its obvious but we wont have any evidence for some time.

Its one of many

One of the main, or one of many. There's a huge difference in your two assertions.

You say we won't have evidence for some time, so where does your claim that schools are 'one of the main causes' for our rising numbers come from? What school activities?? - Communion parties are not held in schools.
Broaden that etc. a bit please .

Widdensushi · 28-09-2020 08:12AM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Ok stats man, I agree religious activity isnt educational.

Show me the number of families that will continue the sacrements if taken out of schools!

A large chunk of class time is afforded to it.

It would be great if it was taken out of schools, that and Irish, our children would have time to be educated on other subjects

Funsterdelux · 28-09-2020 08:12AM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

One of the main, or one of many. There's a huge difference in your two assertions.

You say we won't have evidence for some time, so where does your claim that schools are 'one of the main causes' for our rising numbers come from? What school activities?? - Communion parties are not held in schools.
Broaden that etc. a bit please .

Theres many main, schools, family gatherings, parties, etc. We dont know because we dont trace back far enough we dont have the resources.

What Im trying to say is communions are instringently link with school. If they started from now and separated it from schools, you wouldnt have as many doing it thus less activites outside of the school.i know its not happening any time soon. Its a pet annoyance of mine, its probably beside yhe fact.

NPHET have been telling us to limit our contacts for weeks now, having these activities as soon as schools go back was wrong I think. If they werent so linked to school they could have had them during the summer when covid wasnt so widespread.

Im not anti schools opening, I would have prefered numbers were lower(esp community transmission) and they had a faster tracking/testing system in place before opening schools. It was a rushed job.

Hurrache · 28-09-2020 08:13AM

This thread went full retard the last 24hour didn't it. It used to be the more sensible one on this car crash forum too.

froog · 28-09-2020 08:22AM

Curry cheese chips and ice cream sounds great.

MerlinSouthDub · 28-09-2020 08:22AM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Schools plus activities connected to schools. Communions parties etc.

Its obvious but we wont have any evidence for some time.

Its one of many

Thank you confirming that you have no evidence for your assertion.

Funsterdelux · 28-09-2020 08:27AM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Thank you confirming that you have no evidence for your assertion.

On the ground observations of course.

Jim_Hodge · 28-09-2020 08:28AM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Theres many main, schools, family gatherings, parties, etc. We dont know because we dont trace back far enough we dont have the resources.

What Im trying to say is communions are instringently link with school. If they started from now and separated it from schools, you wouldnt have as many doing it thus less activites outside of the school.i know its not happening any time soon. Its a pet annoyance of mine, its probably beside yhe fact.

NPHET have been telling us to limit our contacts for weeks now, having these activities as soon as schools go back was wrong I think. If they werent so linked to school they could have had them during the summer when covid wasnt so widespread.

Im not anti schools opening, I would have prefered numbers were lower(esp community transmission) and they had a faster tracking/testing system in place before opening schools. It was a rushed job.

So communions are one of the main drivers of the increased numbers of cases?

Get real.

Funsterdelux · 28-09-2020 08:30AM

shmeee wrote: »

Logs into covid thread for a read of a Monday morning......

Logs out as quick!

Have people just gone full tard over the weekend?

Full tard or full tart?

billybonkers · 28-09-2020 08:30AM

Hurrache wrote: »

This thread went full retard the last 24hour didn't it. It used to be the more sensible one on this car crash forum too.

The last week of the previous thread started this downhill slope. Really gone to s**t.

Understandable as a lot of people are fed up of it now and taking pot shots at anyone who has an alternate point of view.

The one this we should all realise is that Covid-19 is the enemy here not some anonymous poster on the internet.

And regardless of what we say/do to each other here it is not going to have the slightest impact on what this virus does within our population or any effect on measures put in place by our government.

We're stuck with Covid for the next while, no amount of moaning here gonna change that.

Imagine the depth of discussion that could actually be had if people respected each others view a bit more.

But again these threads seem to be more of an avenue to vent, which is absolutely fine too.

Lot's of people claiming they would do a better job than the Govt here, but guarantee we'd all end up at each others throats like the current Dail is if we were in there

Happy Monday all

28-09-2020 08:31AM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Ok stats man, I agree religious activity isnt educational.

Show me the number of families that will continue the sacrements if taken out of schools!

A large chunk of class time is afforded to it.

Which is the element of school activity driven by the Catholic ethos as espoused by the patron and not the DES. But we have seen the behaviour or patrons in this, rushing to arrange communions to gather families on the eve of enhanced restrictions lest they miss out on some more victims money parishioners

caveat emptor · 28-09-2020 08:31AM

It's not just the mortality that we need to watch. The longer term morbidity is not well understood yet.

https://twitter.com/devisridhar/status/1310476835956850688?s=20

Funsterdelux · 28-09-2020 08:34AM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

So communions are one of the main drivers of the increased numbers of cases?

Get real.

Im saying part of the whole schools going back, it was you that picked it out of my post. I expanded it as asked.

A lot of people seem to focus one activity, however everything is connected.

I'm annoyed about schools, but theres more than just the classroom.

billybonkers · 28-09-2020 08:35AM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Thank you confirming that you have no evidence for your assertion.

to be fair there is a correlation between the rise in cases and the schools going back. It is easy to put the two together.

Hell of a lot more people moving around and interacting. Asymptomatic cases potentially in these settings and transferring back into homes is very possible.

But we will never have the level of testing to analyse it.

We'll never have enough testing in place to figure out where all the community cases are coming from so the best we could come up with is a 5 (8) level plans to restrict our movements and interactions to kerb the spread

Like it or not we'll never get the full picture. I guess it's best to not assume and just get on with it. We're going to be living like this for quite a while

Funsterdelux · 28-09-2020 08:36AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Which is the element of school activity driven by the Catholic ethos as espoused by the patron and not the DES. But we have seen the behaviour or patrons in this, rushing to arrange communions to gather families on the eve of enhanced restrictions lest they miss out on some more victims money parishioners

A large portion of schools patrons are by default catholic, thankfully its changing.

I agree with the last part.

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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