All Covid-19 measures are permanent, don't be a boiling frog!

breezy1985 · 25-09-2020 4:11pm

Dionaibh wrote: »

What about after a football match, or a job interview? No handshakes?

Wouldn't miss any of it. Especially these fools who think they can tell the measure of a man by his handshake at an interview.

sabat · 25-09-2020 4:13pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

The world has had pandemics before, the last major one in 1918, people had to wear masks and socially distance.

What this current pandemic has done is once again expose that society has a layer of alarmist loons and straight-up morons who are incapable of basic common sense and reasoning.

I see you got 22 thanks for this inaccuracy. The 1968 pandemic killed millions but you've never even heard of it because it's being kept out of the current mainstream narrative. Why? Because there were no masks or lockdowns for eerie looking black and white photos to provoke fear in people today, and there are billions of people alive who lived through it who will just say "meh, it wasn't that bad."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_flu

imme · 25-09-2020 4:13pm

"Panic; Hype"
in your opening post OP.

Were none of these things real OP, was TB a hype.

Where did you get this understanding + misunderstanding.

The 1970's panic and non jury court, was that for every case OP. No.
It was to deal with the Troubles.

How have you not bought an island off the coast of Ireland OP where you drink unflouridated water and have your freedoms away from the overweening state.

breezy1985 · 25-09-2020 4:14pm

ranto_boy wrote: »

I've posted the stats, we know the groups in danger, we know the risks. There are not what is protrayed in the media.

I literally never said that. What is it with you guys and muddying the waters?

This is borderline hysterical

https://twitter.com/FatEmperor/status/1309479255273811968/video/1

" RTE is cheif cheerleader for whats going on"

This was you on RTE covering up the mask agenda led by Fauci

breezy1985 · 25-09-2020 4:17pm

Dionaibh wrote: »

I said it was a brutal country, and it's terrible what they do to the Uyghurs.

I was specifically talking about masks. Sorry, I should've made that clearer.

"It's coming to something when there is more freedom in China than in the West."

If that is just about masks you need to be alot more clear

The Nal · 25-09-2020 4:18pm

So obviously "they" - Gates, Soros, Rothschilds, all powerful world governments etc - have bought off Tubridy so Fauci doesn't get tricked into exposing the dastardly plan later on.

Saw a picture of Tubridy in the RTE canteen earlier.

MOH · 25-09-2020 4:19pm

Dionaibh wrote: »

There's been no criteria outlined for the lifting of the mask mandate. Nor for social distancing. No word on when, if ever, nightclubs will reopen.

You implied that the US is somehow less restrictive because the state of emergency has to be renewed on a regular basis.

Dionaibh wrote: »

Not a single government has said when all of the restrictions will be lifted. There's no end date. At least in the US there are places where mask mandates have been lifted (counties, towns, for example), and governors can't declare an indefinite state of emergency. They have to renew it every few weeks, or every month.

Yet here's the list of Acts passed by the government this year:
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2020/act

And this year's statutory instruments:
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2020/si

Let's take for example the recent "Criminal Justice (Enforcement Powers) (Covid-19) Act 2020". At the very end, section 17.3:

Act wrote:

This Act shall continue in operation until the 9th day of November 2020, unless a resolution approving the continuation of this Act has been passed by both Houses of the Oireachtas before that date and, in that event, this Act shall continue in operation until such date as is specified in the resolution

Or SI 128: "Health Act 1947 (Section 31a – Temporary Restrictions) (Covid-19) (Amendment) Regulations 2020" which extends the restrictions established by the earlier SI 121:

SI 128 wrote:

Regulation 2 of the Health Act 1947 (Section 31A – Temporary Restrictions) (Covid-19) Regulations 2020 ( S.I. No. 121 of 2020 ) is amended by the substitution of “the 5th day of May 2020” for “the 12th day of April 2020”.

Any of the Covid related legislation I've seen has a clearly stated end date, usually in the next 6 to 8 weeks. If necessary, it is then extended. This appears to be the exact same process as you implied was better in your "at least in the US" statement.

So unless you can find an example of some actual legislation being passed curtailing restrictions without any end date, you're talking nonsense.

Timberrrrrrrr · 25-09-2020 4:20pm

Dionaibh wrote: »

I understand, and I get the hygiene argument, of course. But I play football and it used to be nice meeting the lads and shaking hands. Now we just stand around awkwardly and say hello.

Elbow bump works just as well

Timberrrrrrrr · 25-09-2020 4:21pm

one world order wrote: »

These Luciferian worshippers that own the privately owned US federal reserve and bank of international settlements wouldn't be worshipping the Devil if he wasn't real. We are getting closer to the anti Christ system being installed, and covid has speeded up this process.

Can you name these "Luciferian worshippers" and post proof that they are "worshipping the Devil"?

King Mob · 25-09-2020 4:22pm

Dionaibh wrote: »

I don't believe The Great Reset is nonsense or a conspiracy theory. In fact, I don't believe any of the things I've referred to to be conspiracy theories.

Unfortunately it is a silly conspiracy theory.
You are promoting conspiracy theories.

Dionaibh wrote: »

And I do get both sides. Otherwise it'd be overwhelming.

Again, not true.
If you did look at both sides, you'd understand why your conspiracy theory is silly nonsense.

King Mob · 25-09-2020 4:24pm

ranto_boy wrote: »

I've posted the stats, we know the groups in danger, we know the risks. There are not what is protrayed in the media.

But how can we know the risks? The virus hasn't been around for years.
And your "study" of it seems to consist of "I knew two people who had it, they were fine, therefore there's no risk."

Which is silly given what you and other conspiracy theorists are claiming about vaccine research in the other thread.

Also, how do you make sense of this in your conspiracy theory?
You're claiming that THEY are controling the media to over hype the virus.
But you are using data from the CDC to show this is the case.
Why don't they have the CDC data showing it to be more severe if their goal is to make it appear severe?

Are the CDC not in on it?

breezy1985 · 25-09-2020 4:30pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Can you name these "Luciferian worshippers" and post proof that they are "worshipping the Devil"?

Any way what's wrong with giving the auld Satan worship a go. We have been worshipping that other fella Jehovah for thousands of years and look where that got us

MOH · 25-09-2020 4:31pm

sabat wrote: »

I see you got 22 thanks for this inaccuracy. The 1968 pandemic killed millions but you've never even heard of it because it's being kept out of the current mainstream narrative. Why? Because there were no masks or lockdowns for eerie looking black and white photos to provoke fear in people today, and there are billions of people alive who lived through it who will just say "meh, it wasn't that bad."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_flu

Or maybe it's not in the current mainstream narrative because "meh, it wasn't that bad". From your own link:

The death rate from the Hong Kong flu was lower than for other 20th-century pandemics. The disease was allowed to spread through the population without restrictions on economic activity until a vaccine became available four months after it had started.
The H3N2 virus returned during the following 1969/70 flu season, which resulted in a second, deadlier wave of deaths in Europe, Japan, and Australia.It remains in circulation today as a strain of seasonal flu

We're literally talking about an annual flu.

The United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimated that in total, the virus killed one million people worldwide from its beginning in July 1968 until the outbreak faded during the winter of 1969–70. The United States health authorities estimated that about 34,000 to 100,000 people died in the U.S; most excess deaths were in those 65 and older. However, fewer people died during this pandemic than in previous pandemics

One million people killed worldwide over 18 months including two winters. 100k in the US.
Versus nearly a million for Covid-19 so far worldwide in 6 months, before going into any winter.
And 200k in the US so far.

You'll notice too there's been very little mainstream media coverage of the Irish famine lately, probably for the same reason. It's got just as much relevance to the current pandemic.

one world order · 25-09-2020 4:32pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Can you name these "Luciferian worshippers" and post proof that they are "worshipping the Devil"?

Look at Ronald Bernards testimonial. This was a guy that didn't realise what he was getting until he went abroad on one of their satanic rituals and his life was never the same again.

Timberrrrrrrr · 25-09-2020 4:33pm

one world order wrote: »

Look at Ronald Bernards testimonial. This was a guy that didn't realise what he was getting until he went abroad on one of their satanic rituals and his life was never the same again.

So thats a no to the question I asked?

one world order · 25-09-2020 4:33pm

breezy1985 wrote: »

Any way what's wrong with giving the auld Satan worship a go. We have been worshipping that other fella Jehovah for thousands of years and look where that got us

Spending eternity in hell and being tormented by the Devil's demons. Is that really what you want?

one world order · 25-09-2020 4:35pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So thats a no to the question I asked?

Afraid of the truth, much rather find comfort in insulting or quoting fake media on boards.

Timberrrrrrrr · 25-09-2020 4:37pm

one world order wrote: »

Spending eternity in hell and being tormented by the Devil's demons. Is that really what you want?

Your posts make me feel like I'm already there some days.

Timberrrrrrrr · 25-09-2020 4:38pm

one world order wrote: »

Afraid of the truth, much rather find comfort in insulting or quoting fake media on boards.

A claim was made

I asked for evidence of said claim

No evidence was forthcoming therefore I have to assume that the evidence doesn't exist.

one world order · 25-09-2020 4:41pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

A claim was made

I asked for evidence of said claim

No evidence was forthcoming therefore I have to assume that the evidence doesn't exist.

You were given the evidence. You don't want to see it. It's like you would rather not know the truth in this lifetime.

The Nal · 25-09-2020 4:41pm

one world order wrote: »

Spending eternity in hell and being tormented by the Devil's demons. Is that really what you want?

The ultimate conspiracy theory. Religion.

Timberrrrrrrr · 25-09-2020 4:44pm

one world order wrote: »

You were given the evidence. You don't want to see it. It's like you would rather not know the truth in this lifetime.

No, I was given a name and told to look him up.

Thats not evidence for the claim the poster made.

one world order · 25-09-2020 4:45pm

The Nal wrote: »

The ultimate conspiracy theory. Religion.

You can try deny now while in this world but you will have to deal with that decision when the time is up.

The Nal · 25-09-2020 4:46pm

one world order wrote: »

You can try deny now while in this world but you will have to deal with that decision when the time is up.

Will do cheers

King Mob · 25-09-2020 4:46pm

one world order wrote: »

You can try deny now while in this world but you will have to deal with that decision when the time is up.

When will that be exactly?

Timberrrrrrrr · 25-09-2020 4:49pm

one world order wrote: »

You can try deny now while in this world but you will have to deal with that decision when the time is up.

Meh

one world order · 25-09-2020 4:54pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

No, I was given a name and told to look him up.

Thats not evidence for the claim the poster made.

Putting everything together shows this world is controlled by a few, with massive power and influence. Only question is do they worship the devil or not? Based on former members it points to yes they do, which has huge consequences as it gives additional weight to God, the Devil and judgement of everyone.

Dionaibh · 25-09-2020 4:58pm

breezy1985 wrote: »

"It's coming to something when there is more freedom in China than in the West."

If that is just about masks you need to be alot more clear

Fair point. You're right. I should've made it clear I was referring to maks.

Dionaibh · 25-09-2020 4:59pm

MOH wrote: »

You implied that the US is somehow less restrictive because the state of emergency has to be renewed on a regular basis.

Yet here's the list of Acts passed by the government this year:
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2020/act

And this year's statutory instruments:
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2020/si

Let's take for example the recent "Criminal Justice (Enforcement Powers) (Covid-19) Act 2020". At the very end, section 17.3:

Or SI 128: "Health Act 1947 (Section 31a – Temporary Restrictions) (Covid-19) (Amendment) Regulations 2020" which extends the restrictions established by the earlier SI 121:

Any of the Covid related legislation I've seen has a clearly stated end date, usually in the next 6 to 8 weeks. If necessary, it is then extended. This appears to be the exact same process as you implied was better in your "at least in the US" statement.

So unless you can find an example of some actual legislation being passed curtailing restrictions without any end date, you're talking nonsense.

Thanks for that.

Is there an end date for the mask mandate?

Timberrrrrrrr · 25-09-2020 5:00pm

one world order wrote: »

Putting everything together shows this world is controlled by a few, with massive power and influence.

As I asked the poster, name these people and post proof for the claims. If its all out there then posting evidence should be easy.

question is do they worship the devil or not? Based on former members it points to yes they do, which has huge consequences as it gives additional weight to God, the Devil and judgement of everyone.

Again, making a claim without evidence means nothing, there's a reason why this thread is in the conspiracy theory forum.

Meathman12 · 25-09-2020 5:02pm

Dionaibh wrote: »

muzzles

I haven't seen any muzzles. And if you mean people are muzzled (prevented from speaking) that's it true.

breezy1985 · 25-09-2020 5:06pm

one world order wrote: »

Spending eternity in hell and being tormented by the Devil's demons. Is that really what you want?

I don't believe in hell, eternity or demons so I'm good.

Meathman12 · 25-09-2020 5:49pm

brianhere wrote: »

ii) Similar to this current panic, in the 1970s the state amended earlier WWII legislation to enable it to abolish jury trials. Of course it is still with us long after the troubles have ended.

Most people moan about doing jury duty. The state finds it difficult to fill jury panels.
Its true, the special criminal court still operates. Recently high profile criminals were tried there. Currently an accused ISIS member is there.

Should we really disband this terrible court.

MOH · 26-09-2020 7:43pm

Dionaibh wrote: »

Thanks for that.

Is there an end date for the mask mandate?

I don't know, I'm not doing everything for you.

Why don't you go and find what piece of legislation it's in, and look it up for yourself?

GT89 · 28-09-2020 12:16am

Meathman12 wrote: »

I haven't seen any muzzles. And if you mean people are muzzled (prevented from speaking) that's it true.

Both metaphorically and plainly speaking yes. It is very hard to hear people through a mask. You really have to listen closely to hear what people are saying otherwise often all you hear is a muffled voice which is impossible to understand.

Methaphorically speaking people who speak out against covid measures such as masks are being silenced by the msm and social media platforms like twitter and facebook.

King Mob · 28-09-2020 12:41am

GT89 wrote: »

Both metaphorically and plainly speaking yes. It is very hard to hear people through a mask. You really have to listen closely to hear what people are saying otherwise often all you hear is a muffled voice which is impossible to understand.
.

So because it's slightly harder to hear people, they are muzzles?
That's a very hyperbolic notion.

Usually the moment anyone calls masks "muzzles" their credibility takes a sharp nose dive.

GT89 · 28-09-2020 12:49am

King Mob wrote: »

So because it's slightly harder to hear people, they are muzzles?
That's a very hyperbolic notion.

Usually the moment anyone calls masks "muzzles" their credibility takes a sharp nose dive.

And that being me on to my next point the masks are a methaphor for the silencing of opposing views. No rational human being goes out and thinks it's a good idea to cover their face. It is not a rational decision for people to wear masks they are worn by people for two reasons because people see others doing it monkey see monkey do or they are paranoid

Meathman12 · 28-09-2020 3:31am

GT89 wrote: »

No rational human being goes out and thinks it's a good idea to cover their face.

In many Asian cities people have worn masks or face coverings previously some for pollution reasons, some for religious reasons.
Will you concede that it's amazingly hypocritical that some people at anti mask protests are seen wearing face coverings to prevent identification. Surely you'll condemn these people.

King Mob · 28-09-2020 4:38am

GT89 wrote: »

And that being me on to my next point the masks are a methaphor for the silencing of opposing views.

But so far the "opposing views" we are seeing are along the lines of global conspiracy/religious apocalypse/anti science stuff.

And the silencing is more along the lines of people pointing out those ideas are a bit silly.

What opposing views and what silencing are you referring to?

GT89 wrote: »

No rational human being goes out and thinks it's a good idea to cover their face. It is not a rational decision for people to wear masks they are worn by people for two reasons because people see others doing it monkey see monkey do or they are paranoid

They can help limit the spread of a virus during a pandemic.

GT89 · 28-09-2020 1:13pm

Meathman12 wrote: »

In many Asian cities people have worn masks or face coverings previously some for pollution reasons, some for religious reasons.
Will you concede that it's amazingly hypocritical that some people at anti mask protests are seen wearing face coverings to prevent identification. Surely you'll condemn these people.

I don't live in Asia I don't know about their culture nor do I really care about their culture as it's got fúck all to do with Ireland or Europe. I don't know anything about people covering their faces at "anti mask" protest. Also they are not anti mask proteets they are anti covid restrictions protests as masks are not the only issue they have.

GT89 · 28-09-2020 1:20pm

King Mob wrote: »

But so far the "opposing views" we are seeing are along the lines of global conspiracy/religious apocalypse/anti science stuff.

And the silencing is more along the lines of people pointing out those ideas are a bit silly.

What opposing views and what silencing are you referring to?

They haven't been proven to be any of the above. This is a new virus right isn't it so how can anyone be an expert in it. No ones studied the area of covid before so until such time as qualified experts in covid are around their predictions have zero credibility. Look at Neil Ferguson as a prime example who's projections were completely amd utterly false.

They can help limit the spread of a virus during a pandemic.

Cases have gone up since their widespread adoption so that is not yet proven

King Mob · 28-09-2020 1:32pm

GT89 wrote: »

They haven't been proven to be any of the above.

What are you refering to here?

GT89 wrote: »

No ones studied the area of covid before

This is simply untrue.
Untruths are common in conspiracy theories.

GT89 wrote: »

Cases have gone up since their widespread adoption so that is not yet proven

Ok. So why are experts and health professionals recommending their use?
Are they not as informed as you?
Are you just better at medicine and smarter than them?
Are they spreading misinformation because of a global conspiracy?

GT89 · 28-09-2020 1:47pm

King Mob wrote: »

This is simply untrue.
Untruths are common in conspiracy theories.

So are you saying that people have degrees in the area of covid now. It takes four years to get a degree and covid has only been around a year.

Ok. So why are experts and health professionals recommending their use?
Are they not as informed as you?
Are you just better at medicine and smarter than them?
Are they spreading misinformation because of a global conspiracy?

What experts are you referring to? To say masks work in prevention against covid is pure guess work. The so called experts know about as much as you or in the field of covid as they have not studied it. They couldn't possibly study it as it's a new disease.

timetogo1 · 28-09-2020 2:28pm

GT89 wrote: »

So are you saying that people have degrees in the area of covid now. It takes four years to get a degree and covid has only been around a year.

Do you think people get degrees in specific diseases?

Anyway covids have been around before Covid 19. I think the first human coronavirus were around in the 1960s.

King Mob · 28-09-2020 2:31pm

GT89 wrote: »

So are you saying that people have degrees in the area of covid now. It takes four years to get a degree and covid has only been around a year.

Lol no.
This is a very silly line of argument you are trying to use.
It sounds a bit like you've no idea what you're talking about.

GT89 wrote: »

What experts are you referring to? To say masks work in prevention against covid is pure guess work. The so called experts know about as much as you or in the field of covid as they have not studied it. They couldn't possibly study it as it's a new disease.

Oh ok. So they only know as much as you do.
So why do they say masks can help?
Are they just stupid?

greenspurs · 28-09-2020 4:36pm

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

And dont forget your tin foil hats!

cgq300 wrote: »

I'd be more concerned of the health impacts the weight of wearing your tin foil hat will cause than the health impact of wearing a mask if I were you.

MrMusician18 wrote: »

OP, I can't believe you forgot to mention the deep state controlling our minds with 5G.

OMG, they have got to you already :eek:

totally expected.... Deniers have the usual retort for anyone that doesn't follow "government guidelines"

Sheeple

Dohnjoe · 28-09-2020 9:17pm

greenspurs wrote: »

totally expected.... Deniers have the usual retort for anyone that doesn't follow "government guidelines"

Sheeple

I am guessing this is sarcasm, but if not, deniers of what exactly?

4068ac1elhodqr · 28-09-2020 11:29pm

Since last Thurs (24 Sept) businesses (designated types and organisations, including hospitality, close contact services, and leisure venues) in England, MUST (by law) display a QR Code Poster, at their entrance, or face a £1,000 quid fine if they don't.

Since this introduction, there have been some situations where folks have been 'refused service' due to them not scanning such digital identifer codes on their mobiles (maybe they didn't have {smart}phones on them, it was out of battery power, or they just didn't want to scan them).

For a business of course, it saves on staffing costs by not asking for a quick name and contact number, but for the common person this presents a pressure to always carry a smarthpone (not a dumb phone), and to leave digital signatures, perhaps until the end of the covid (which is like never). For marketeers this could be a wet dream, they can use a secondary QR to pester folks with offers once the relentless QR scanning thing becomes the norm.

miezekatze · 28-09-2020 11:41pm

Kaelyn Itchy License wrote: »

Since last Thurs (24 Sept) businesses (designated types and organisations, including hospitality, close contact services, and leisure venues) in England, MUST (by law) display a QR Code Poster, at their entrance, or face a £1,000 quid fine if they don't.

Since this introduction, there have been some situations where folks have been 'refused service' due to them not scanning such digital identifer codes on their mobiles (maybe they didn't have {smart}phones on them, it was out of battery power, or they just didn't want to scan them).

For a business of course, it saves on staffing costs by not asking for a quick name and contact number, but for the common person this presents a pressure to always carry a smarthpone (not a dumb phone), and to leave digital signatures, perhaps until the end of the covid (which is like never). For marketeers this could be a wet dream, they can use a secondary QR to pester folks with offers once the relentless QR scanning thing becomes the norm.

This is not the norm though, you can generally scan it or you don't.

I'm constantly seeing conspiracy nutters accusing mainstream media of scaremongering for just reporting facts on social media. Scaremongering is what you are doing right now.

4068ac1elhodqr · 28-09-2020 11:47pm

miezekatze wrote: »

This is not the norm though, you can generally scan it or you don't.

There have been cases already (reported in mainstream media, online newspapers etc) of people being refused access, denied service or goods because they didn't (or can't if no smartphone present).

Yes there is the paper and pen option, however a business can decide to refuse entry if is already busy and does not have someone at hand to jot down details, hence: refused access and service.

Many old folks have simple phones, in the coming months, as this does become the norm... they may well start to discover they're not wanted if some busy waiter etc. hasn't got a spare 5mins and pen, paper to attend to them. Of course you'd probably call this old wans nutters etc.

All Covid-19 measures are permanent, don't be a boiling frog!

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