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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #7472
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    xl500 wrote: »
    This is the kind of thing you are dealing with

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus/co-donegal-hotel-offers-2-rooms-to-locals-to-circumvent-covid-19-outdoor-dining-rules-1.4365587
    I just came to post that. I think it's a great idea.

    Oh I just remembered that they're in proper lockdown. Ugh.


  • #7473
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    xl500 wrote: »
    This is the kind of thing you are dealing with

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus/co-donegal-hotel-offers-2-rooms-to-locals-to-circumvent-covid-19-outdoor-dining-rules-1.4365587

    A clever use of the restrictions to try and weather the storm . The terminally terrified won't avail of the deal , so what's the problem?


  • #7474
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    hmmm wrote: »
    Interesting to see the usual cast of characters thanking this. "Us" is the community. Lots of us do things for the community even though there may be little personal benefit, because community benefits us all. It's in no-ones interest to have everyone acting as an individual looking after their own selfish interests only.

    People who are older, or on chemo, or with some other condition which can lead to a bad outcome shouldn't have to thank you for taking the bare minimum of actions to help protect the community during this. It could be you that needs the help in future years.

    I trust you will be willing to accept a lower state pension when the time comes to lessen the burden on the younger generation who will have to foot the bill for this. Remember we are all in this together.


  • #7475
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I trust you will be willing to accept a lower state pension when the time comes to lessen the burden on the younger generation who will have to foot the bill for this. Remember we are all in this together.
    You don't get it at all do you?


  • #7476
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    hmmm wrote: »
    You don't get it at all do you?

    I do get it and I also get many who want the country closed down won't suffer the consequences of their selfish desire.


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  • #7477
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I do get it and I also get many who want the country closed down won't suffer the consequences of their selfish desire.
    Wow. I hope someday you're never in a position where someone openly talks about trading your life for an "increased state pension when the time comes."


  • #7478
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,938 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    hmmm wrote: »
    Interesting to see the usual cast of characters thanking this. "Us" is the community. Lots of us do things for the community even though there may be little personal benefit, because community benefits us all. It's in no-ones interest to have everyone acting as an individual looking after their own selfish interests only.

    People who are older, or on chemo, or with some other condition which can lead to a bad outcome shouldn't have to thank you for taking the bare minimum of actions to help protect the community during this. It could be you that needs the help in future years.

    In your rush to take the contrary view you have missed the point. I have no problem doing something for the greater good and I need no thanks for doing it.

    I just don't need to hear patronizing rubbish that I know isn't true.

    I'll do what needs to be done, but don't sell me the cliche platitudes because all they do is insult my intelligence.


  • #7479
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    bucketybuck wrote: »
    I'll do what needs to be done, but don't sell me the cliche platitudes because all they do is insult my intelligence.
    Doing something for the community, and not expecting to be thanked for it, is not a "platitude".

    I've no doubt the vast majority of people who could be badly affected by this virus appreciate the efforts the rest of us are making, and wish they weren't in that position. They shouldn't be made to feel that somehow we are doing them a favour, and have to listen to us debating how much their lives are worth. And unlike the fake news being spread by some people, this is a disease which could give very bad outcomes for a large proportion of our population.

    The Spanish Flu cut down younger people, just the luck of the draw with viruses. If we ever had a similar pandemic again, I wouldn't expect the younger people to have to thank older people for taking precautions to prevent it spreading


  • #7480
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    hmmm wrote: »
    Doing something for the community, and not expecting to be thanked for it, is not a "platitude".

    I've no doubt the vast majority of people who could be badly affected by this virus appreciate the efforts the rest of us are making, and wish they weren't in that position. They shouldn't be made to feel that somehow we are doing them a favour, and have to listen to us debating how much their lives are worth. And unlike the fake news being spread by some people, this is a disease which could give very bad outcomes for a large proportion of our population.

    The Spanish Flu cut down younger people, just the luck of the draw with viruses. If we ever had a similar pandemic again, I wouldn't expect the younger people to have to thank older people for taking precautions to prevent it spreading

    But we are doing them a huge favour... we are crashing the country and destroying our livelihoods so they can survive longer.

    You constantly refused to answer whether your own job or salary were impacted.

    I strongly suspect the answer is no.


  • #7481
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    hmmm wrote: »
    Wow. I hope someday you're never in a position where someone openly talks about trading your life for an "increased state pension when the time comes."

    Wow your response bares no ration to what I said.
    Although I suspect from many of your pervious comments the present situation and what is likely to follow will cause you little distress financially. Easy to volunteer others into the fray.


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  • #7482
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,097 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    hmmm wrote: »
    Interesting to see the usual cast of characters thanking this. "Us" is the community. Lots of us do things for the community even though there may be little personal benefit, because community benefits us all. It's in no-ones interest to have everyone acting as an individual looking after their own selfish interests only.

    People who are older, or on chemo, or with some other condition which can lead to a bad outcome shouldn't have to thank you for taking the bare minimum of actions to help protect the community during this. It could be you that needs the help in future years.

    Like losing their job or their business?

    Their home?

    Bankrupting the state?


  • #7483
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I assume those who appear to want to deny those not impacted financially an opinion or a right to call for greater restrictions were also against men voting in the abortion referendum, against straight people voting in the equality referendum etc.


  • #7484
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,242 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »
    I assume those who appear to want to deny those not impacted financially an opinion or a right to call for greater restrictions were also against men voting in the abortion referendum, against straight people voting in the equality referendum etc.

    Did you vote in either of those nox?


  • #7485
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    Did you vote in either of those nox?

    I did.


  • #7486
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,242 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »
    I did.

    So either you understand the concept of empathy or you have a history of trying to shout down people who's opinion differs to yours.....

    I'm leaning towards the latter.


  • #7487
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    What will history think about this? I think history will look back at 2020 as an over reaction. And what is worrying is that when a really serious virus does come along people will say this is Covid 19 Mark II and best this time not to over react. The last time we had a 20 year recession and millions died from other causes.


  • #7488
    3xh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 594 ✭✭✭3xh


    Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »
    I assume those who appear to want to deny those not impacted financially an opinion or a right to call for greater restrictions were also against men voting in the abortion referendum, against straight people voting in the equality referendum etc.

    Sure even the women couldn’t make up their mind about whether they wanted men voting.

    Some said it’s none of their (men) business, we can sort this ourselves. Others called on men to step up and support their mothers, sisters, partners.

    Damned if you voted, damned if you didn’t.


  • #7489
    Gradius
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭Gradius


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    What will history think about this? I think history will look back at 2020 as an over reaction. And what is worrying is that when a really serious virus does come along people will say this is Covid 19 Mark II and best this time not to over react. The last time we had a 20 year recession and millions died from other causes.

    I think it's extremely premature to think 2021 will be any better than now.

    There's an increasing argument that all restrictions and guidelines be removed. Give it three months under that circumstance and watch people lose their mind about everything failing beyond belief, from the economics to the health system.

    THEN you have proof that intervention is needed.

    Some (a lot) of people just can't believe something could happen unless it actually happens. Like a child with matches, sometimes it's better to let them be burned.


  • #7490
    Assetbacked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »
    Have you ever seen the flu result in the scenes we saw in Italy a few months back for example?

    That's your counter argument? Please hand in your thread resignation letter ASAP.


  • #7491
    Assetbacked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    hmmm wrote: »
    Doing something for the community, and not expecting to be thanked for it, is not a "platitude".

    I've no doubt the vast majority of people who could be badly affected by this virus appreciate the efforts the rest of us are making, and wish they weren't in that position. They shouldn't be made to feel that somehow we are doing them a favour, and have to listen to us debating how much their lives are worth. And unlike the fake news being spread by some people, this is a disease which could give very bad outcomes for a large proportion of our population.

    The Spanish Flu cut down younger people, just the luck of the draw with viruses. If we ever had a similar pandemic again, I wouldn't expect the younger people to have to thank older people for taking precautions to prevent it spreading

    The older people have utterly destroyed the younger generations with the post-crash payment of debt with their taxes and also by propping up their own pensions with these same taxes. This pandemic response is the perfect chance for these sociopathic older generation cnuts to say "we have shafted you guys the last 12 years, this pandemic is really only for us to worry about so we're going to say thanks to you by sitting at home with RTÉ player and Super Valu home delivery until it blows over". Of course they don't say that. I completely understand why the under 45s don't give two hoots about this OAP flu 10 months after it hit the world and there is an underpaid and jaded police force to try to enforce these OTT restrictions for much longer.


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  • #7492
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Assetbacked wrote: »
    The older people have utterly destroyed the younger generations with the post-crash payment of debt with their taxes and also by propping up their own pensions with these same taxes. This pandemic response is the perfect chance for these sociopathic older generation cnuts to say "we have shafted you guys the last 12 years, this pandemic is really only for us to worry about so we're going to say thanks to you by sitting at home with RTÉ player and Super Valu home delivery until it blows over".
    At least you're being honest now on this thread, and stopped with all the fake "won't someone think of the cancer patients" etc. I'm sure you think you will never grow old, or have to go on cancer meds or need a transplant etc.

    The only good thing is that 90% of the population have a sense of responsibility and community spirit, so you're in a minority. And I'm personally happy to live in a society where we will make sacrifices to protect other people.

    Originally the thread had some purpose, but now seems to be some sort of zoo and I can understand why that is. The quickest way to get back to economic recovery is to get control over the virus, and it might not happen immediately but hopefully with rapid testing and vaccines coming we have that end in sight.


  • #7493
    3xh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 594 ✭✭✭3xh


    hmmm wrote: »
    At least you're being honest now on this thread, and stopped with all the fake "won't someone think of the cancer patients" etc.

    The only good thing is that 90% of the population have a sense of responsibility and community spirit, so you're in a minority. And I'm personally happy to live in a society where we will make sacrifices to protect other people.

    Thank you for your service.


  • #7494
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    3xh wrote: »
    Thank you for your service.
    Is that really the best answer you can come up with? That's pretty lame in fairness.

    How about something like this - "I understand that as a community we should protect people who are weaker than the rest, but even in a pandemic we need to see if there are ways we can better protect the economy and other essential services by asking those people to take on a bigger responsibility to protect themselves."

    See how easy that is? Try it. I can't do any more for you, you're big into helping yourself.


  • #7495
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,138 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    There's been a subtle change in reporting on the RTE website the last few days. ICU mad hospital numbers seem to have slipped off the radar with an extra focus on cases per county. Funny how that happens around the same time that other countries have started to shift away from positive results and instead focus on hospital cases.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #7496
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,138 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    hmmm wrote: »
    Is that really the best answer you can come up with? That's pretty lame in fairness.

    How about something like this - "I understand that as a community we should protect people who are weaker than the rest, but even in a pandemic we need to see if there are ways we can better protect the economy and other essential services by asking those people to take on a bigger responsibility to protect themselves."

    See how easy that is? Try it. I can't do any more for you, you're big into helping yourself.

    I distinctly remember during the last recession that the gray vote were out in force to make sure they weren't touched at all. At the same time the most vulnerable in society had their services slashed, after school, teacher support etc etc

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #7497
    Assetbacked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    hmmm wrote: »
    At least you're being honest now on this thread, and stopped with all the fake "won't someone think of the cancer patients" etc. I'm sure you think you will never grow old, or have to go on cancer meds or need a transplant etc.

    The only good thing is that 90% of the population have a sense of responsibility and community spirit, so you're in a minority. And I'm personally happy to live in a society where we will make sacrifices to protect other people.

    Originally the thread had some purpose, but now seems to be some sort of zoo and I can understand why that is. The quickest way to get back to economic recovery is to get control over the virus, and it might not happen immediately but hopefully with rapid testing and vaccines coming we have that end in sight.

    That's really the best you can come up with? Deflection.

    My stance is as set out above and also based on the HPSC data, as posted plenty of times and summed up with the phrase "OAP flu" (I also use "doomers", "anti-relaxers" and "flat-curvers" to describe these loonies). The "OAP flu" phrase is a data based observation. Your response is deflection and some form of internal mental gymnastics to avoid facing facts for some reason, perhaps a truth, you don't want to face.

    You talk about getting the virus under control but it is of such negligible impact to the population it is by default under control. The only reason you might think it isn't is because our inept health service get flustered and overwhelmed at the mere whiff of a few extra people on trollies during an already below-par flu season performance. We have one of the worst health sectors in Europe and rather than try to use this time to bolster their resources and show us they are ready for a step up in a challenge of a pandemic, they cower, fumble, cry, moan and sh1t the bed that there might be a few more dozen OAPs looking for trollies this year.


  • #7498
    Gradius
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭Gradius


    How has this turned into intergenerational spite?


  • #7499
    Assetbacked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    Gradius wrote: »
    How has this turned into intergenerational spite?

    Hpsc website showing it is of a very limited portion of society affected, seemingly those above a certain age which is above the retirement age yet the restrictions as a result of this retirees virus heavily weigh upon those of economically productive age. That's how.

    To be clear, this is not to blame old people but just to say we need a "focus on the elderly strategy" which I am confident all of us would get behind. And that doesn't actually mean (despite my jokes) getting them RTÉ player on an iPad and super valu home delivery but means helping them build up their immune system, doing OAP shop, cafe, gym hours 9-12pm midweek, subsidised taxis, sit down Sundays in pubs etc


  • #7500
    Gradius
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭Gradius


    Assetbacked wrote: »
    Hpsc website showing it is of a very limited portion of society affected, seemingly those above a certain age which is above the retirement age yet the restrictions as a result of this retirees virus heavily weigh upon those of economically productive age. That's how.

    Yerp.

    The other poster is correct about the zoo thing. I also stated this phenomena is well on the way a few days ago: that if the government doesn't get a handle on this, people are going to misinterpret information left right and center to achieve their own desired ends. Chaos, in other words.

    I'm fairly resigned to the fact that it's a sinking ship so may as well laugh about it at this point :)


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  • #7501
    Assetbacked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    Gradius wrote: »
    Yerp.

    The other poster is correct about the zoo thing. I also stated this phenomena is well on the way a few days ago: that if the government doesn't get a handle on this, people are going to misinterpret information left right and center to achieve their own desired ends. Chaos, in other words.

    I'm fairly resigned to the fact that it's a sinking ship so may as well laugh about it at this point :)

    Go back through my posts in coronavirus since the forum opened, same with jacdaniel, Ginger Lemon etc. You have a bias which you are afraid to challenge. You are literally doing the toxic thing to yourself that you claim those in this thread are doing.


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