Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

GooglePlus · 26-09-2020 08:26AM

Originally Posted by Gods Gift
There are 9 million bicycles in Beijing

BringBackMick wrote: »

Seriously puts things into perspective.

People including our joke shop of a government need to cop the fcuk on before they ruin the next decade

You made my morning.

Have you not heard the song?

Boggles · 26-09-2020 08:34AM

JojoLoca wrote: »

I was wondering about that. What if a person is admitted for a surgery and tests positive, what happens then? Are they classified as a hospital Covid patient? Covid hospitalisations have increased since more hospitals opened up for procedures/surgeries.

They wouldn't be admitted if they tested positive before elective surgery.

is_that_so · 26-09-2020 08:34AM

JojoLoca wrote: »

Ignorance continue. They pick and choose what suits them as an outbreak cause.

What is it that you know that shows them up to be ignorant?

igCorcaigh · 26-09-2020 08:34AM

JojoLoca wrote: »

I was wondering about that. What if a person is admitted for a surgery and tests positive, what happens then? Are they classified as a hospital Covid patient? Covid hospitalisations have increased since more hospitals opened up for procedures/surgeries.

I would imagine that the number of covid positive patients hospitalised for non covid reasons is a very low percentage.

It would be similar to the rate of currently active covid in the general population, very low.

mountgomery burns · 26-09-2020 08:37AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

It's just like HIV and ya don't have to have unprotected sex, just cough/sneeze etc... and Coronavirus is killing more than HIV this year.

HIV is not spread by coughing and sneezing

Sorry I think I see what you're saying now, apologies

Gruffalux · 26-09-2020 08:37AM

Boggles wrote: »

They wouldn't be admitted if they tested positive before elective surgery.

Stop now. The numbers in hospital are increasing because of all the people in there getting their piles banded who happened to have a bit of Covid too.

Paddygreen · 26-09-2020 08:40AM

CiarraiManc wrote: »

Exactly even if covid wasn't an issue the conduct and hygiene at these parties is despicable. What anyone sees in those damned things I'll never know.

I had a refined and cultured dinner party (in 2019) that descended into absolute chaos when one of my chums decided to make a late entrance with several slabs of something called Galahad. If I wasn’t already slightly tipsy I would have nipped this in the bud. The insurance company wouldn’t entertain my claim. We need to regulate how much drink is sold to people.

*That dinner party was pre Covid19.

s1ippy · 26-09-2020 08:49AM

Paddygreen wrote: »

*That dinner party was pre Covid19.

I have to say your post covid dinner parties just haven't been the same.

caveat emptor · 26-09-2020 08:54AM

Paddygreen wrote: »

I had a refined and cultured dinner party (in 2019) that descended into absolute chaos when one of my chums decided to make a late entrance with several slabs of something called Galahad. If I wasn’t already slightly tipsy I would have nipped this in the bud. The insurance company wouldn’t entertain my claim. We need to regulate how much drink is sold to people.

*That dinner party was pre Covid19.

Sure ya did.

Unfortunately or fortunately we live in a free country. If you want to drink or eat yourself into oblivion the state and the tax payer will invariable Pick up the tab.

Don’t have a dinner party paddy, Nancy Reagan said just say no. Good advice for you by the sounds of it.

Roger_007 · 26-09-2020 08:56AM

Boggles wrote: »

They wouldn't be admitted if they tested positive before elective surgery.

But they would be admitted if they need to. One woman I know was admitted after a fall from a bicycle and suffered serious shoulder injury. She was tested for Covid and was positive.
Apparently all new admissions or prospective admissions are tested. It’s likely that elective cases are not admitted while testing positive.

JojoLoca · 26-09-2020 09:00AM

is_that_so wrote: »

What is it that you know that shows them up to be ignorant?

I was responding to other post which said that Government is continuously ignoring to mention outbreaks in schools. Do you really believe the recent surge in infections is from house parties only?

is_that_so · 26-09-2020 09:10AM

JojoLoca wrote: »

I was responding to other post which said that Government is continuously ignoring to mention outbreaks in schools. Do you really believe the recent surge in infections is from house parties only?

Adults behaving badly is a far more likely source - it doesn't have to be house parties. There have been lots of other social activities happening. There was an example mentioned this week of a confirmed close contact who did not restrict their movements and went on to infect 20 more. As for kids, the overall, albeit limited evidence on them is that it is a less problematic area for transmission save in families.

Charles Babbage · 26-09-2020 09:15AM

Patrick2010 wrote: »

It’s apparently a coincidence that cases have gone up since schools reopened, real cause is all the house parties

Cases had gone up all summer, before the schools opened, as you well know.

MerlinSouthDub · 26-09-2020 09:18AM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Cases had gone up all summer, before the schools opened, as you well know.

And the rate of infection in children is lower than in older age groups. The desire to blame children for increased case numbers is very odd.

Akrasia · 26-09-2020 09:22AM

BringBackMick wrote: »

Is that a real stat?

1.3 million die from RTAs globally, India are more that 10% of the worlds population so it’s in line with the global average

Boggles · 26-09-2020 09:22AM

Gods Gift wrote: »

There are 9 million bicycles in Beijing.

Roger_007 wrote: »

But they would be admitted if they need to. One woman I know was admitted after a fall from a bicycle and suffered serious shoulder injury.

Did it happen in Beijing?

eagle eye · 26-09-2020 09:30AM

MerlinSouthDub wrote:

And the rate of infection in children is lower than in older age groups. The desire to blame children for increased case numbers is very odd.

How do you know this? What's the percentage rate of infection in tested children?

SeaBreezes · 26-09-2020 09:35AM

Patrick2010 wrote: »

Just to clarify if you’re hospitalized with a heart attack and test positive for Covid even though you have no symptoms you’re counted as a Covid patient

you know Covid19 attacks the heart, creates blood clots and CAUSES heart attacks and strokes, right? Even in young people?

The heart attack IS the symptom?

Curious_Case · 26-09-2020 09:48AM

SeaBreezes wrote: »

you know Covid19 attacks the heart, creates blood clots and CAUSES heart attacks and strokes, right? Even in young people?

The heart attack IS the symptom?

Therefore all heart attack patients who test positive for Covid (at the time) would definitely not have suffered one had they not become infected with Covid.

That is the logical extrapolation of your statement and it is obviously incorrect.

Boggles · 26-09-2020 09:51AM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

And the rate of infection in children is lower than in older age groups.

Confirmed infections in children have doubled in the past month, 5-14 age bracket. From 499 to now 1020.

So the growth rate for that period is 100%+, it's roughly 15-20% in the older age groups. If it were the same growth rate or higher for all other profiles, we would be at 60,000 - 70,000 confirmed infections.

Many different reasons for this. Not solely schools being back, but they are definitely a factor.

Stormyteacup · 26-09-2020 09:53AM

Boggles wrote: »

They wouldn't be admitted if they tested positive before elective surgery.

Yes that makes sense.

However do you think anyone presenting at A&E in need of immediate medical assistance is asked to wait a few hours while a test result is returned - and then sent home if positive?

It would useful information to know how many hospital admissions were directly as a result of contacting Covid.

DraftDodger · 26-09-2020 09:54AM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Cases had gone up all summer, before the schools opened, as you well know.

Yeah but isn't it a fair assessment to say that as soon as the schools opened cases seemed to increase rapidly?

Widdensushi · 26-09-2020 09:55AM

Boggles wrote: »

Confirmed infections in children have doubled in the past month, 5-14 age bracket. From 499 to now 1020.

So the growth rate for that period is 100%+, it's roughly 15-20% in the older age groups.

Many different reasons for this. Not solely schools being back, but they are definitely a factor.

Surely the infection rate has more than doubled overall? Also the fact that every child that sneezes or coughs in school is being sent for a COVID test means that many children are being tested who would not be tested if they weren't back at school.

Boggles · 26-09-2020 09:56AM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

However do you think anyone presenting at A&E in need of immediate medical assistance is asked to wait a few hours while a test result is returned - and then sent home if positive?
.

No. That person would be assumed to have Covid until they returned a negative test and I imagine isolation protocols would be in place.

That's why the press briefings say 100-200 people in hospital with suspected Covid.

Stormyteacup · 26-09-2020 10:00AM

Boggles wrote: »

No. That person would be assumedWe to have Covid until they returned a negative test and I imagine isolation protocols would be in place.

That's why the press briefings say 100-200 people in hospital with suspected Covid.

Ok that’s the system.

But it would still be important to know once confirmed positive if a patient had presented solely due to Covid symptoms.

RedDevil55 · 26-09-2020 10:06AM

DraftDodger wrote: »

Yeah but isn't it a fair assessment to say that as soon as the schools opened cases seemed to increase rapidly?

That's just how exponential growth works. Cases have been rising by around 5% per day since the end of June. 5% on top of single digit cases is negligible, 5% on 200 makes a noticeable difference.

owlbethere · 26-09-2020 10:08AM

The government should stop with putting counties on warnings. I know the warnings is there for people to take heed of the public health advice, and probably for businesses to prepare. Its going to cause a fear or a panic in some people as if we will have the lockdown we had back in March. I'm in Galway where we have a warning and there's a sense of panic coming from some people now and a want to go shopping and stockpile and shop for toilet paper (I swear to god). There's no need for that. Putting counties on warnings is dangerous, I think. We have more virus covid cases now than we did back in March and probably more virus circulating than we did back in March and some people are wishing to rush out and panic buy. The warnings are likely to encourage crowds. If counties are moving to the next phase, the government should come out and just do it with no warnings. Nhpet should continue hammering out the importance of the public health guidelines.

Funsterdelux · 26-09-2020 10:10AM

Widdensushi wrote: »

Surely the infection rate has more than doubled overall? Also the fact that every child that sneezes or coughs in school is being sent for a COVID test means that many children are being tested who would not be tested if they weren't back at school.

Sneezing isnt a testable symptom. Also if they werent in school many wouldnt be getting runny noses/coughs etc.

eagle eye · 26-09-2020 10:22AM

DraftDodger wrote:

Yeah but isn't it a fair assessment to say that as soon as the schools opened cases seemed to increase rapidly?

How about the increase in cases in the home?

Pablo Escobar · 26-09-2020 10:22AM

Curious_Case wrote: »

Therefore all heart attack patients who test positive for Covid (at the time) would definitely not have suffered one had they not become infected with Covid.

That is the logical extrapolation of your statement and it is obviously incorrect.

I don’t think it is actually. I think the posters point was that it can a cause of other illnesses, though clearly not with certainty.

To the original point though, of course a heart attack victim that tests positive for Covid should be logged as a Covid patient. It would totally undermine our testing system if they were not.

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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