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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #7412
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    NIMAN wrote: »
    And it's cost 30bn in a deficit.

    If it lasts another year, we are ruined.....but we won't be alone, the rest of the world will be broke too.

    Heard Donohoe on radio today...a shocking wet blanket. I’ve no faith in his abilities, he sounds like a middle of the road pen pusher. Nothing more. Absolutely no fresh ideas or vision for our economy. Once we hit the ropes he’ll be dreadful- first hint of tax increases btw in the form of more carbon taxes- which will kill an anemic economy stone dead. But on doopy rte all this was brushed over


  • #7413
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    And then we print more money and then your 75k salary will buy you 3 breads and a carton of eggs? Exaggerating (hopefully) but something's gotta give...

    Well something has to. Adding 10% to national debt in just 8 months to cover day to day expenses is horrendous. And that’s just for starters


  • #7414
    bloopy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,328 ✭✭✭bloopy


    Dickie10 wrote: »
    So I was just wondering when do people think this will all end , like when will we begin each news round without covid 19 being first item? when will it start to drift off front pages ? basically i cant see us being or doing anything much different a year from today, still restrictions from covid , lockdown to lockdown around the country, nobody at sports events, colleges teaching remote, schools prob on 3 day weeks along with remote. Can anyone really see anything changeing in 12 mmonths? can sports bodies cope with no crowds for another year? pubs opening and shutting sporadically. xmas near enough cancelled etc.

    One way or the other we will be following Sweden. Whether it is by design or through a general breakdown is the question.
    A proper functioning society cannot continue with this constant tension and the limbo we currently find ourselves in. It is only six months since the restrictions were introduced and already serious cracks and divisions are starting to become evident - and that was with decent enough weather and long days. With the winter months arriving, cabin fever is going to start setting in real soon.
    There is no hope being offered, only recriminations and thinly veiled threats. Nobody can plan for anything - weddings, holidays, even just general meetups with friends. This cannot be maintained in the long-term. Even the holy grail of a vaccine is not is not a certainty.
    It may happen that those currently seen as our saviors will come to viewed as our tormentors - an element of this is already surfacing in some quarters.
    A society needs more options than going to work or staying at home.


  • #7415
    Dickie10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,067 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    Yea that’s just my thinking , like where is the end goal? Curb the numbers fir a few weeks then what happens . I get the feeling NYPHET are more than happy to I’ve life like this. In like , a night out is a social distance restaurant meal with 1 beer/1 glass of wine then home to sit at fire. This one night per fortnight probably recommended by NYPHET followed by hike/walk/cycle the next day . The people in NYPHET are pushing a whole leisure /social life they want people to have onto us by stealth now I feel. I have serious suspicions this is seen as there chance to change Irish society into their way of thinking , they tried this before over the years. But Irish people love the pub/clubbing scene way too much , the same way as people all over British isles. Are cities in Europe like British and Irish cities at 3 am on Sunday morning?


  • #7416
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,140 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    MadYaker wrote: »
    Is it because of media spin or hospital capacity? Be honest with yourself.

    Not claiming media spin is causing the proposed increase in levels, just that the narrative has really been pumped up this past few days.

    We have low numbers in ICU and not much more in general hospital. If those numbers are all it takes to out Dublin into level 4 then we are in for a long winter.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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  • #7417
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,293 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Dickie10 wrote: »
    Yea that’s just my thinking , like where is the end goal? Curb the numbers fir a few weeks then what happens . I get the feeling NYPHET are more than happy to I’ve life like this. In like , a night out is a social distance restaurant meal with 1 beer/1 glass of wine then home to sit at fire. This one night per fortnight probably recommended by NYPHET followed by hike/walk/cycle the next day . The people in NYPHET are pushing a whole leisure /social life they want people to have onto us by stealth now I feel. I have serious suspicions this is seen as there chance to change Irish society into their way of thinking , they tried this before over the years. But Irish people love the pub/clubbing scene way too much , the same way as people all over British isles. Are cities in Europe like British and Irish cities at 3 am on Sunday morning?

    No they're not but that's mostly because pubs/bars/clubs dont have to close at 2.30. There are clubs that only open at 2.30.


  • #7418
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,623 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Dickie10 wrote: »
    So I was just wondering when do people think this will all end , like when will we begin each news round without covid 19 being first item? when will it start to drift off front pages ? basically i cant see us being or doing anything much different a year from today, still restrictions from covid , lockdown to lockdown around the country, nobody at sports events, colleges teaching remote, schools prob on 3 day weeks along with remote. Can anyone really see anything changeing in 12 mmonths? can sports bodies cope with no crowds for another year? pubs opening and shutting sporadically. xmas near enough cancelled etc.

    Going by all the experts on here apparently the virus will never weaken ( said boards experts think it will get more deadly). Also the vaccine experts on here ( the ones that haven’t even read the research on them) also claim the vaccine will be pointless.


    If these so called boards experts are correct expect that for the rest of your natural life your life will just be an existence. Not to mention the economy down the road will suffer due to eternal restrictions and rolling lockdowns. Poverty will rise over the years.There will now be nothing to look forward to. It’s over.


  • #7419
    Dickie10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,067 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    Are they as popular as they seem to be in British isles. Im 37 but love a good club and dance now and again. It’s a lovely bookend to a sesh I feel. One of those things that really makes one feel alive and that life is lived . Mad to think it’s pretty much consigned to history now. Could we be entering a kind of conservative phase like 30s and 40s in USA after 1920s? I think you could argue Ireland in general has had its golden era and that’s it for another 70-80 years


  • #7420
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Well tickets are on sale for Little Mix at the 3 Arena in March i think, so should be grand by then.

    Honestly can’t see events and concerts go on next year at all- I’m basing that on what’s going to happen between now and then? Absolutely nothing in my views. So the restrictions won’t change


  • #7421
    Happy4all
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,089 ✭✭✭Happy4all


    Dickie10 wrote: »
    So I was just wondering when do people think this will all end , like when will we begin each news round without covid 19 being first item? when will it start to drift off front pages ? basically i cant see us being or doing anything much different a year from today, still restrictions from covid , lockdown to lockdown around the country, nobody at sports events, colleges teaching remote, schools prob on 3 day weeks along with remote. Can anyone really see anything changeing in 12 mmonths? can sports bodies cope with no crowds for another year? pubs opening and shutting sporadically. xmas near enough cancelled etc.

    when people realise that it's being over driven by the Irish Media and Social Media. Stay in a scaremongering lockdown for years or live the old normal life while taking greater hygiene precautions and older people with underlying conditions taken sensible decisions.

    I have personally decided to stop letting "it" control my life. Better to have loved and lost than stay locked up in your house forever.


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  • #7422
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    No they're not but that's mostly because pubs/bars/clubs dont have to close at 2.30. There are clubs that only open at 2.30.

    I remember going to a bar in Krakow that only opened at 1am. Mad and strange place, top floor of an apartment block. Great crack though.


  • #7423
    Dickie10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,067 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    You would have to imagine there wil be unbelievable pressure from all sides if we get to march and this is still the set up, sports bodies will come in heavy , concert promoters same, airlines. I think we will be forced to do a Sweden as will most of Europe. The old will have to look after themselves and the rest just get on with it. Like if we went back 3-4 years where there were adverts for flu, “catch it bin it kill it” of the government had gone to NYPHET then and asked for their advice , I have a feeling they wouldn’t be far off implementing what they have implemented for Covid. That’s what happens when people like that get a free reign. I would think they would have tried to halt flu by closing nightclubs during the winter months and try to keep pubs restricted. If flu was reported in same way as Covid last year we would surely get even higher numbers .


  • #7424
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Looking at social media I see the Late Late show was another propaganda session instead of offering people actual entertainment. Jedward, the virologist experts & respected successful music artists...oh wait....and Dr Fauci who is being drafted in to keep the public in check here. He’s so reasonable & smiley in the interview effectively stating ‘Do what we say’,

    Funny...I’ve never seen the roads so busy when in town earlier...I’m sure it’s nothing to do with the fact the pubs are open this weekend for the first time in months...everyone is hiding inside glued to Ryan’s weekly propaganda session I’m sure...


  • #7425
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    sure read this so

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=70108041


  • #7426
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,623 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Dickie10 wrote: »
    I have a feeling they wouldn’t be far off implementing what they have implemented for Covid. That’s what happens when people like that get a free reign. .


    Funnily enough i was thinking to myself today that even if covid disappeared are restrictions now going to be a way of life seeing that the government and nphet discovered how easy they are to implement getting a free reign.

    Will we see restrictions for future flu outbreaks and the like.


  • #7427
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    Funnily enough i was thinking to myself today that even if covid disappeared are restrictions now going to be a way of life seeing that the government and nphet discovered how easy they are to implement getting a free reign.

    Will we see restrictions for future flu outbreaks and the like.

    The answer to your to last sentence is nope. I don't think the government or the ego driven morons in Nphet will be able to get buy in for another 6 months. They have already lost many of the under 30's hence the constant appeals and downright dishonesty they are engaged in.
    The latest bs locking down Donegal, i have family in Donegal they are an interesting breed. Good luck enforcing restrictions.


  • #7428
    snowcat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭snowcat


    https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3374

    Nphet need to start paying closer attention to hospital admissions and icu figures and forget about positive pcr cases. Yes they are rising (hospital admissions) but nowhere near the levels we saw in March April under total lockdown. As stated in the article, reporting a positive on the basis of zero symptoms and when the virus could be cleared is helping no one.


  • #7429
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    At the start of all this in February/March it was made clear it's an illness of the elderly and vulnerable. Now they are trying to scare the generations it holds little to no danger for because now they know trying to get that cohort to restrict there lives indefinitely is a loosing battle.


    This is a fallacious statement and an insult to all of us who have lost young relatives and friends.

    Also as one Donegal GP has said clearly, the younger ones need to be curbed as they will carry disease to the vulnerable old.

    We are all in this together. It is not about "you"; but about " us"


  • #7430
    snowcat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭snowcat


    Graces7 wrote: »
    This is a fallacious statement and an insult to all of us who have lost young relatives and friends.

    Also as one Donegal GP has said clearly, the younger ones need to be curbed as they will carry disease to the vulnerable old.

    We are all in this together. It is not about "you"; but about " us"

    If this was the other way around and the virus infected young people like the Spanish Flu i wonder would the grey vote consent to being 'curbed' and told to not socialise and meet their families travel etc.


  • #7431
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    snowcat wrote: »
    If this was the other way around and the virus infected young people like the Spanish Flu i wonder would the grey vote consent to being 'curbed' and told to not socialise and meet their families travel etc.

    Actually we would as we have lived through worse than this and have a great deal of common sense and endurance.

    NB your post makes little sense as we are confined ??? To protect us from infection.

    Not seen many of us breaking loose and hitting the town either! Imagine if we reacted as younger folk are doing!!! lol... Walking sticks at the ready!

    Have a read about the plague in Eyam? A whole town went into quarantine to prevent it spreading to other palace and many of them died by doing so, of all generations.

    Old folk value life. And know there is more to life than travelling etc. such as life itself.

    OK I am off; things to do and life to live, even in a cocoon!

    Stay safe; stay well!


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  • #7432
    ThunbergsAreGo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    JRant wrote: »
    Not claiming media spin is causing the proposed increase in levels, just that the narrative has really been pumped up this past few days.

    We have low numbers in ICU and not much more in general hospital. If those numbers are all it takes to out Dublin into level 4 then we are in for a long winter.

    I actually think the Donegal lockdown is worse

    Very few cases in a massive geographical area shouldn't mean lockdown. Winter will be awful


  • #7433
    snowcat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭snowcat


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Actually we would as we have lived through worse than this and have a great deal of common sense and endurance.

    Not seen many of us breaking loose and hitting the town either! Imagine if we reacted as younger folk are doing!!! lol...

    Have a read about the plague in Eyam? A whole town went into quarantine to prevent it spreading to other palace and many of them died by doing so, of all generations.

    Old folk value life. And know there is more to life than travelling etc. such as life itself.

    OK I am off; things to do and life to live, even in a cocoon!

    Stay safe; stay well!

    Well i'm not sure about that because i see lots of the vulnerable cohort out and about as it is. They are in the bars, shopping, at matches, actually i see them everywhere i see young people. If the vulnerable are not cocooning themselves i somehow doubt they would cocoon if the shoe was on the other foot. And I dont blame them for one minute. Enjoy your life and dont live in fear.


  • #7434
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    Looking at social media I see the Late Late show was another propaganda session instead of offering people actual entertainment. Jedward, the virologist experts & respected successful music artists...oh wait....and Dr Fauci who is being drafted in to keep the public in check here. He’s so reasonable & smiley in the interview effectively stating ‘Do what we say’,

    Funny...I’ve never seen the roads so busy when in town earlier...I’m sure it’s nothing to do with the fact the pubs are open this weekend for the first time in months...everyone is hiding inside glued to Ryan’s weekly propaganda session I’m sure...

    Some people really have lost the run of themselves coming up with crazy nonsense like this. When you see the word Propaganda you know the post is gone down the crazy path.


  • #7435
    Assetbacked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »
    Yeah just a flu? I know you are just trolling now.

    Hpsc reports. Show me where it isn't just a flu as all I see from these very conservative numbers is that it is of negligible impact to under 65s and only impactful to the vulnerable over that age group.

    You have ignored all my other posts being more specific but at this point I can reduce my posts to "just a flu" etc.

    https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/casesinireland/epidemiologyofcovid-19inireland/


  • #7436
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »
    Some people really have lost the run of themselves coming up with crazy nonsense like this. When you see the word Propaganda you know the post is gone down the crazy path.

    Ok nox, I happen to think most of your points are crazy too, Including we shouldn’t have reopened over the summer, prolonged ‘hard’ lockdowns and many others. But we can agree to disagree.
    I wonder would Ryan and others be engaging in such tripe if his salary was cut by say 50% or he was let go...


  • #7437
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Assetbacked wrote: »
    Hpsc reports. Show me where it isn't just a flu as all I see from these very conservative numbers is that it is of negligible impact to under 65s and only impactful to the vulnerable over that age group.

    You have ignored all my other posts being more specific but at this point I can reduce my posts to "just a flu" etc.

    https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/casesinireland/epidemiologyofcovid-19inireland/

    Have you ever seen the flu result in the scenes we saw in Italy a few months back for example?


  • #7438
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,097 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Actually we would as we have lived through worse than this

    Such as?


  • #7439
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,015 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    Funnily enough i was thinking to myself today that even if covid disappeared are restrictions now going to be a way of life seeing that the government and nphet discovered how easy they are to implement getting a free reign.

    Will we see restrictions for future flu outbreaks and the like.
    I thought the hysteria from this thread would calm down for a while without its ringleader but nope. Just morphing into more conspiracy instead.


  • #7440
    Stormyteacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 999 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »
    Some people really have lost the run of themselves coming up with crazy nonsense like this. When you see the word Propaganda you know the post is gone down the crazy path.

    Here’s the wiki definition of propaganda;

    ‘Propaganda is communication that is used primarily to influence an audience and further an agenda, which may not be objective and may be presenting facts selectively to encourage a particular synthesis or perception, or using loaded language to produce an emotional rather than a rational response to the information’

    Am astute observation by poster, and a rational observation of current events.

    Complete opposite of crazy nonsense in fact imo.


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  • #7441
    bloopy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,328 ✭✭✭bloopy


    Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »
    Have you ever seen the flu result in the scenes we saw in Italy a few months back for example?

    Is this a mantra now.
    Something to be tossed out when under pressure?


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