Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

TonyMaloney · 25-09-2020 09:50AM

Deleted User wrote: »

People can be wrong and not be loons

What if they're both wrong and acting like a lunatic?

25-09-2020 09:51AM

Boggles wrote: »

SCAMADEMICS? Right-Wing Lobbying Groups - Reviving ‘Herd Immunity’ in the UK

If anyone has a spare 10 minutes, this is well word a read.

Explains it and puts it in perspective what actual public officials have to deal with it.

Because loons have hijacked the opinions of valid scientists does not mean we can immediately dismiss the views of those scientists as fringe loons.

Do completely ignore Darwin because a corruption of his theories formed the basis for Nazi eugenics policies?

Boggles · 25-09-2020 09:52AM

Deleted User wrote: »

People can be wrong and not be loons

Sure and the ones who acknowledge there were wrong and move on are perfectly sane people.

The ones who double down and push a strategy which would get a lot of people sick and dead are dangerous fúcking lunatics.

Boggles · 25-09-2020 09:54AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Because loons have hijacked the opinions of valid scientists does not mean we can immediately dismiss the views of those scientists as fringe loons.

Which valid scientists?

lee_baby_simms · 25-09-2020 09:55AM

Boggles wrote: »

She is a fringe loon not because I disagree with her nonsense, it's because reality and science has all ready proven she is a complete spoofer.

Why then I wonder does the Prof Luke O'Neill, who has been wrong many times over the past few months seemingly get a free pass?

Here's just a sample of some of his "expertise" over the past 6 months.

Masks don't work, hand washing is essential "just wash your hands!", masks do work but face coverings don't, face coverings do work - heres how to make one, hand washing isn't important, 28k lives in Ireland were saved by lockdown and every family in Ireland would have had a death, Sweden "got it badly wrong" and will end up with far more deaths per million than any European country.

wadacrack · 25-09-2020 09:56AM

Boggles wrote: »

SCAMADEMICS? Right-Wing Lobbying Groups - Reviving ‘Herd Immunity’ in the UK

If anyone has a spare 10 minutes, this is well word a read.

Explains it and puts it in perspective what actual public officials have to deal with it.

Good article, Alot in here should read it. Being brainwashed by "experts" with no integrity and little credibility is potentially dangerous for the country.

Boggles · 25-09-2020 09:56AM

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

Why then I wonder does the Prof Luke O'Neill, who has been wrong many times over the past few months seemingly get a free pass?

He is literally called names on here every weekday morning.

25-09-2020 09:57AM

Boggles wrote: »

Which valid scientists?

Here is what reasoned debate looks like

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/sep/22/scientists-disagree-over-targeted-versus-nationwide-measures-to-tackle-covid

lee_baby_simms · 25-09-2020 09:57AM

Boggles wrote: »

He is literally called names on here every weekday morning.

Not here. I'm talking about mainstream media. He is on the radio/tv every other day of the week and is never challenged.

25-09-2020 09:58AM

Boggles wrote: »

Which valid scientists?

uthorsProfessor Sunetra Gupta;
Professor of theoretical epidemiology, the University of Oxford
Professor Carl Heneghan;
Director, Centre for Evidence Based Medicine, the University of Oxford
Professor Karol Sikora;
Consultant oncologist and Professor of medicine, University of Buckingham
Sam Williams;
Director and co-founder of Economic Insight
SignatoriesProfessor Louise Allan;
Professor of Geriatric Medicine,
University of ExeterFrancois Balloux;
Professor of Computational Systems Biology,
UCLProfessor Sucharit Bhakdi MD; Emeritus Professor of Medical Microbiology, JG University of MainDr Julii Brainard;
Epidemiology and Public Health Research Group,
UEAProfessor Anthony J Brookes;
Department of Genetics & Genome Biology,
University of LeicesterProfessor Nick Colegrave; Chair in Experimental Evolution, University of Edinburgh

2
Dr Ron Daniels;
Consultant in Intensive Care and Executive Director,
UK Sepsis TrustProfessor Robert Dingwall; FAcSS, Hon MFPH,
Professor of Sociology,
Nottingham Trent UniversityProfessor Fionn Dunne FREng; Imperial College LondonProfessor Kim Fox;
Professor of Clinical Cardiology,
Imperial College LondonProfessor Anthony Glass;
Chair of Managerial Economics,
Sheffield University Management SchoolDr Andy Gaya MD MRCP FRCR;
Consultant Clinical Oncologist
Dr Peter Grove;
Former Lead Analyst: Infectious Diseases, Pandemic and Emergency Planning,
DoHProfessor Matt Hickman;
Head of Population Health Sciences,
University of BristolProfessor Elizabeth Hughes;
Professor of Mental Health,
University of LeedsDr Tom Jefferson;
Physician epidemiologist and Senior Associate Tut
or, University of OxfordProfessor Syma Khalid;
Professor of computational biophysics,
University of SouthamptonProfessor David Miles CBE;
Professor of Economics,
Imperial College LondonProfessor Paul Ormerod;
Economist,

Department of computer science,
University College LondonProfessor Andrew Oswald;
Professor of Economics and Behavioural Science,
University of WarwickProfessor David Paton;
Chair of Industrial Economics
, Nottingham University Business SchoolProfessor Hugh Pennington CBE FRSE;
Emeritus Professor of Bacteriology
, University of AberdeenProfessor Barbara Pierscionek;
Associate Dean Research and Enterprise
, Staffordshire UniversityProfessor Eve Roman; Epidemiology and Cancer Statistics Group, University of YorkProfessor Justin Stebbing;
Professor of Cancer Medicine and Oncology,
Imperial College LondonProfessor Ellen Townsend;
Self-Harm Research Group,
University of NottinghamSteve Westaby;
Consultant Cardiac Surgeon,
University of Oxford Hospitals Trust (retired)Professor Simon Wood;
Professor of Statistical Computing,
University of Edinburgh

TonyMaloney · 25-09-2020 10:00AM

Boggles wrote: »

SCAMADEMICS? Right-Wing Lobbying Groups - Reviving ‘Herd Immunity’ in the UK

If anyone has a spare 10 minutes, this is well word a read.

Explains it and puts it in perspective what actual public officials have to deal with it.

that's a hell of a read

and so strange to think that so many here are circulating the mad lies of this shower of dangerous tory nutters

Boggles · 25-09-2020 10:00AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Here is what reasoned debate looks like

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/sep/22/scientists-disagree-over-targeted-versus-nationwide-measures-to-tackle-covid

No it isn't.

Their letter consists of the same old "let it rip" nonsense you read on twitter.

No tangible solutions offered on how you would actually implement the strategy.

But again you seem to agree with me, but still insist on having an argument about it. God Bless you.

Nermal · 25-09-2020 10:01AM

Boggles wrote: »

She isn't a health care expert she is a "theoretical epidemiologist" who has never left the comforts of her academic setting.

And who do these 'theoretical physicists' think they are eh?

If I want to hear about a singularity, I damn well want the opinion of someone who's been inside the event horizon!

Boggles · 25-09-2020 10:02AM

Deleted User wrote: »

uthorsProfessor Sunetra Gupta;
Professor of theoretical epidemiology, the University of Oxford
Professor Carl Heneghan;
Director, Centre for Evidence Based Medicine, the University of Oxford
Professor Karol Sikora;
Consultant oncologist and Professor of medicine, University of Buckingham
Sam Williams;
Director and co-founder of Economic Insight
SignatoriesProfessor Louise Allan;
Professor of Geriatric Medicine,
University of ExeterFrancois Balloux;
Professor of Computational Systems Biology,
UCLProfessor Sucharit Bhakdi MD; Emeritus Professor of Medical Microbiology, JG University of MainDr Julii Brainard;
Epidemiology and Public Health Research Group,
UEAProfessor Anthony J Brookes;
Department of Genetics & Genome Biology,
University of LeicesterProfessor Nick Colegrave; Chair in Experimental Evolution, University of Edinburgh

2
Dr Ron Daniels;
Consultant in Intensive Care and Executive Director,
UK Sepsis TrustProfessor Robert Dingwall; FAcSS, Hon MFPH,
Professor of Sociology,
Nottingham Trent UniversityProfessor Fionn Dunne FREng; Imperial College LondonProfessor Kim Fox;
Professor of Clinical Cardiology,
Imperial College LondonProfessor Anthony Glass;
Chair of Managerial Economics,
Sheffield University Management SchoolDr Andy Gaya MD MRCP FRCR;
Consultant Clinical Oncologist
Dr Peter Grove;
Former Lead Analyst: Infectious Diseases, Pandemic and Emergency Planning,
DoHProfessor Matt Hickman;
Head of Population Health Sciences,
University of BristolProfessor Elizabeth Hughes;
Professor of Mental Health,
University of LeedsDr Tom Jefferson;
Physician epidemiologist and Senior Associate Tut
or, University of OxfordProfessor Syma Khalid;
Professor of computational biophysics,
University of SouthamptonProfessor David Miles CBE;
Professor of Economics,
Imperial College LondonProfessor Paul Ormerod;
Economist,

Department of computer science,
University College LondonProfessor Andrew Oswald;
Professor of Economics and Behavioural Science,
University of WarwickProfessor David Paton;
Chair of Industrial Economics
, Nottingham University Business SchoolProfessor Hugh Pennington CBE FRSE;
Emeritus Professor of Bacteriology
, University of AberdeenProfessor Barbara Pierscionek;
Associate Dean Research and Enterprise
, Staffordshire UniversityProfessor Eve Roman; Epidemiology and Cancer Statistics Group, University of YorkProfessor Justin Stebbing;
Professor of Cancer Medicine and Oncology,
Imperial College LondonProfessor Ellen Townsend;
Self-Harm Research Group,
University of NottinghamSteve Westaby;
Consultant Cardiac Surgeon,
University of Oxford Hospitals Trust (retired)Professor Simon Wood;
Professor of Statistical Computing,
University of Edinburgh

I stopped reading there.

:pac:

Hector Savage · 25-09-2020 10:03AM

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

Not here. I'm talking about mainstream media. He is on the radio/tv every other day of the week and is never challenged.

He's not challenged because he is going down the scaremongering, fear and hysteria route.

I see "Doctor" John had a video there where he was saying 30,000 deaths a day by end of year (globally) and total 2.2 M deaths by Jan 1 2021.

Let's see ...

TonyMaloney · 25-09-2020 10:06AM

Deleted User wrote: »

uthorsProfessor Sunetra Gupta;
Professor of theoretical epidemiology, the University of Oxford
Professor Carl Heneghan;
Director, Centre for Evidence Based Medicine, the University of Oxford
Professor Karol Sikora;
Consultant oncologist and Professor of medicine, University of Buckingham

god that's a terrible list.

I, a bloody nobody who knows f all, was able to debunk an extremely disingenuous article published by Carl Heneghan in the Spectator just the other day.

They are not honest brokers

mountgomery burns · 25-09-2020 10:08AM

The old daily dose of "my experts are better than yours"

Nermal · 25-09-2020 10:08AM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

god that's a terrible list.

I, a bloody nobody who knows f all, was able to debunk an extremely disingenuous article published by Carl Heneghan in the Spectator just the other day.

They are not honest brokers

Tony, the other day you posted a 'long covid' paper that was sampled from a Facebook support group. You're not in a position to debunk anything.

Plumbthedepths · 25-09-2020 10:09AM

Nermal wrote: »

Tony, the other day you posted a 'long covid' paper that was sampled from a Facebook support group. You're not in a position to debunk anything.

Ouch.

TonyMaloney · 25-09-2020 10:10AM

Nermal wrote: »

Tony, the other day you posted a 'long covid' paper that was sampled from a Facebook support group. You're not in a position to debunk anything.

Did I?

I think you may have the wrong person. Anything else?

caveat emptor · 25-09-2020 10:11AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Because loons have hijacked the opinions of valid scientists does not mean we can immediately dismiss the views of those scientists as fringe loons.

Do completely ignore Darwin because a corruption of his theories formed the basis for Nazi eugenics policies?

Oh FFs.

Great debate on the wrong topic referencing darwinism and general relativity.

Two words. Public health.

She was mental. "What would Joyce think?"

ArthurDayne · 25-09-2020 10:13AM

Boggles wrote: »

Well to be fair far more qualified than her have actually labelled her a loon.

But again, lets tackle your high bar of who is entitled to an opinion.

We had a Nobel Prize winner a few months back declaring the pandemic was over in Ireland and we had reached herd immunity.

Now. I read his musing and applied 2 things.

Basic maths

Common Sense.

I concluded using those 2 simple methods, he was a complete fúcking loon.

Now, by your high bar, I would have to win a Nobel Prize in order to offer that opinion.

Do you see where I am going with this?

But I haven’t set a bar have I? You didn’t just politely disagree with the academic, you called her a loon. I questioned your standing to call her a loon and to just dismiss opinions, I didn’t question your ability to have opinions of your own. Honestly, I sitting here scratching my head wondering why you are criticising me for the very thing you yourself actually did! Now you are sitting here telling me that you called her a loon because you read about other people apparently calling her a loon. That’s great.

You can keep repeating the terms “basic maths” and “common sense” all you want. You’re not really adding anything to the discussion if your line is simply: (A) Healthcare experts advising Irish government and all policies being adopted in Ireland = Right and (B) Everyone else from anonymous Boards posters, academics with at least some qualifications in epidemiological studies, other governments with different levels of restrictions, the experts advising countries like Sweden = All Wrong / Loons because Basic Maths and Common Sense.

bennyineire · 25-09-2020 10:16AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Sorry if this has been asked before. Once a county goes to level 3, is it realistic that it can get back to level 2 after the 3 week period or is it more likely it will stay at level 3 or rise to level 4? Thanks.

This has already happened a month ago, Offaly and Loais came out of lockdown after 3 weeks. Kildare had to wait another 2 weeks.

TonyMaloney · 25-09-2020 10:17AM

mountgomery burns wrote: »

The old daily dose of "my experts are better than yours"

It's not.

That small collection of "experts" above are knowingly pushing spurious rubbish.
They're acting in bad faith. They're dangerous liars.

you can have a go at what you perceive to be our experts if you like. I don't give a crap.

funnydoggy · 25-09-2020 10:19AM

I don't follow / listen / love Karol Sikora either but that tweet is a bad example IMO

Boggles · 25-09-2020 10:21AM

ArthurDayne wrote: »

But I haven’t set a bar have I?

You did from the off, Now I have all ready explained that twice to you, and I gave you an example.

ArthurDayne wrote: »

: (A) Healthcare experts advising Irish government and all policies being adopted in Ireland = Right and (B) Everyone else from anonymous Boards posters, academics with at least some qualifications in epidemiological studies, other governments with different levels of restrictions, the experts advising countries like

Lots of assumptions there, mostly wrong.

Pattern is emerging.

ArthurDayne wrote: »

Sweden = All Wrong / Loons because Basic Maths and Common Sense.

Nearly 6,000 deaths and an economy hit just as bad as their neighbors who have had a fractions of the illness and far less deaths collectively and a sense that they are just beginning their second wave?

Have I missed a meeting have Sweden been declared the winner of the Pandemic Cup?

hetuzozaho · 25-09-2020 10:31AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Sorry if this has been asked before. Once a county goes to level 3, is it realistic that it can get back to level 2 after the 3 week period or is it more likely it will stay at level 3 or rise to level 4? Thanks.

I guess it worked for the LOK Lockdown? So some hope there?

polesheep · 25-09-2020 10:31AM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

It's not.

That small collection of "experts" above are knowingly pushing spurious rubbish.
They're acting in bad faith. They're dangerous liars.

you can have a go at what you perceive to be our experts if you like. I don't give a crap.

And were government rules followed? As far as I am aware the government in the UK has had great difficulty getting people to follow the rules.

Roger_007 · 25-09-2020 10:33AM

Every shop I go into these days has a Perspex screen at the check out desk. The screens are about 1 meter high and have no sidescreens. They also have an opening for passing purchases through to be scanned.
Do people actually believe that these screens achieve anything at all. Do they believe that if there is virus in the air that it won’t go around the sides, or over the top or through the hole in the middle of these screens?
Are these screens there just to pretend to the staff and customers that there is some protection afforded by these nonsensical screens.
The same, of course, applies to face visors, (sometimes worn on the top of the head).

Plumbthedepths · 25-09-2020 10:36AM

Roger_007 wrote: »

Every shop I go into these days has a Perspex screen at the check out desk. The screens are about 1 meter high and have no sidescreens. They also have an opening for passing purchases through to be scanned.
Do people actually believe that these screens achieve anything at all. Do they believe that if there is virus in the air that it won’t go around the sides, or over the top or through the hole in the middle of these screens?
Are these screens there just to pretend to the staff and customers that there is some protection afforded by these nonsensical screens.
The same, of course, applies to face visors, (sometimes worn on the top of the head).

To use Tesco's slogan, every little helps. The alternative is haz mat suits for everyone. Similarly the €9 meal was a nonsense but a measure to placate .

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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