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smurgen · 24-09-2020 09:46PM

Well it seems like that Unquiet Graves documentary on the Gleananne Gang is making an impression.

https://twitter.com/RepKevinBoyle/status/1308984006353051655?s=19

smurgen · 24-09-2020 10:28PM

Same old same old from FF. Anything for a photoshoot.

https://twitter.com/MickBarryTD/status/1309066372412997635?s=19

https://twitter.com/sagittarius_irl/status/1309070125707022336?s=19

Brendan Bendar · 25-09-2020 03:10AM

Pumping out the auld propaganda Smurf, Dave would be proud of ya.

smurgen · 25-09-2020 07:25AM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Pumping out the auld propaganda Smurf, Dave would be proud of ya.

Just good to document what's happening. God bless social media for tracking the absolute hypocrisy of FFG.

JohnnyFlash · 25-09-2020 07:45AM

You should take a day off, dude. This stuff is eating you up inside.

Hodors Appletart · 25-09-2020 08:03AM

in fairness a lad manning the pickets and then voting against them is pretty reprehensible behaviour no matter what way you slice it

and I'd be more anti than pro these debenham folk, ie, take your statutory and stfu

Nobotty · 25-09-2020 08:11AM

smurgen wrote: »

Well it seems like that Unquiet Graves documentary on the Gleananne Gang is making an impression.

https://twitter.com/RepKevinBoyle/status/1308984006353051655?s=19

Not really
Hes an associate of Cáirde Sinn Féin in Philadelephia and currently just the equivalent of a county Councillor over there
He is not a U S congressman but he's running in a tight constituency so has a chance to get in
Being a friend of Sinn Féin in the states he was probably prompted to make that tweet
I don't think I agree with this line anyway
Time to move on like has been allowed to have been done with all other things north down south
Otherwise you're going to be forever and ever amen listening to the same people here hitting you with IRA stuff

I *just can't understand* the logic in these threads and its the same 3 or 4 of you nibbling each other the whole time
Its boring
Noone wants to know anymore
Better to talk about bread and butter issues

FrancieBrady · 25-09-2020 08:43AM

Nobotty wrote: »

Not really
Hes an associate of Cáirde Sinn Féin in Philadelephia and currently just the equivalent of a county Councillor over there
He is not a U S congressman but he's running in a tight constituency so has a chance to get in
Being a friend of Sinn Féin in the states he was probably prompted to make that tweet
I don't think I agree with this line anyway
Time to move on like has been allowed to have been done with all other things north down south
Otherwise you're going to be forever and ever amen listening to the same people here hitting you with IRA stuff

I *just can't understand* the logic in these threads and its the same 3 or 4 of you nibbling each other the whole time
Its boring
Noone wants to know anymore
Better to talk about bread and butter issues

You can't just ignore victims because you are bored.
I agree that we are going to be forever dealing with this stuff...but it is incumbent again on those with the power and the responsibility to get a truth recovery process going.

Or make some real efforts to deal with the past. That cannot be led by anyone else but the two governments and it is mandated in the GFA and ancillary agreements that it be dealt with. If they want to do what they did after our own conflict/wars - lock away the details of what was done until the players are dead - then propose that and get on with it.

Let's face it, FF and FG have never stood up to the British and asked or pressured them to take responsibility. The British won't engage voluntarily because they were a player in the conflict/war.

Bishop of hope · 25-09-2020 08:44AM

Nobotty wrote: »

Not really
Hes an associate of Cáirde Sinn Féin in Philadelephia and currently just the equivalent of a county Councillor over there
He is not a U S congressman but he's running in a tight constituency so has a chance to get in
Being a friend of Sinn Féin in the states he was probably prompted to make that tweet
I don't think I agree with this line anyway
Time to move on like has been allowed to have been done with all other things north down south
Otherwise you're going to be forever and ever amen listening to the same people here hitting you with IRA stuff

I *just can't understand* the logic in these threads and its the same 3 or 4 of you nibbling each other the whole time
Its boring
Noone wants to know anymore
Better to talk about bread and butter issues

Covid is dominating currently, even brexit has a back seat at this stage.
Budget is looming too and it's barely making the headlines.
Health spending is bound to dominate that as well as covid related payments.
A very difficult budget to frame, but nobody should expect a budget that will put money in any pockets or houses being built by the thousands.
I expect a budget that the Opposition can have a, field day with.

Floppybits · 25-09-2020 08:57AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

I expect a budget that the Opposition can have a, field day with.

At this time there shouldn't really be an opposition, there should be a national government to deal with the current situation with all parties pulling the same direction. This budget is going to be a tough one but it needs to fair, the problem is that a lot of the government decisions don't seem to be fair, a lot of decisions they make especially budget ones seem to impact on the lower/middle class a lot more than the richer classes and that gives the impression that the government don't really give a ****e about the lower/middle class and are there just to keep their rich buddies happy, FG especially.

Bishop of hope · 25-09-2020 08:59AM

Floppybits wrote: »

At this time there shouldn't really be an opposition, there should be a national government to deal with the current situation with all parties pulling the same direction. This budget is going to be a tough one but it needs to fair, the problem is that a lot of the government decisions don't seem to be fair, a lot of decisions they make especially budget ones seem to impact on the lower/middle class a lot more than the richer classes and that gives the impression that the government don't really give a ****e about the lower/middle class and are there just to keep their rich buddies happy, FG especially.

How anybody thinks a govt of national unity would work is beyond me.

blanch152 · 25-09-2020 08:59AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You can't just ignore victims because you are bored.
I agree that we are going to be forever dealing with this stuff...but it is incumbent again on those with the power and the responsibility.

Francie,

I have to agree with you on this aspect of your post.

However, it is Sinn Fein who is holding up the compensation scheme for victims in the North. They have the power and responsibility to do something for victims, but as always, they are found wanting.

Nobotty · 25-09-2020 09:00AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You can't just ignore victims because you are bored.
I agree that we are going to be forever dealing with this stuff...but it is incumbent again on those with the power and the responsibility to get a truth recovery process going.

Or make some real efforts to deal with the past. That cannot be led by anyone else but the two governments and it is mandated in the GFA and ancillary agreements that it be dealt with. If they want to do what they did after our own conflict/wars - lock away the details of what was done until the players are dead - then propose that and get on with it.

Let's face it, FF and FG have never stood up to the British and asked or pressured them to take responsibility. The British won't engage voluntarily because they were a player in the conflict/war.

Oh don't get me wrong,but damn it there's heaps of stuff there to talk about on its own without it all being mixed up inside in a thread about the government
Its tiny in the publics mind
The way that should be discussed is in a committee in Leister House and in Dail questions to the justice minister
That makes it news and flags it for the public
I'm not bored with that topic but jesus the tooing and froing is bad enough here without mixing all that in
Its that that's boring
It clouds bread and butter

Yesterday for example ,there was s nurse on today Claire byrne who said there were loads like her who have been moved from Billy to Jack on temp contracts in nursing homes only with no guarantee of hours after having came home from Australia to help out
She left a secure well paid job
Yet loads of GUFF yesterday about not being able to get enough nurses
You could not make this up

I see little or none of that talked about here

Floppybits · 25-09-2020 09:07AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

How anybody thinks a govt of national unity would work is beyond me.

Why is that? Did not the whole of the Dail on all sides come together for Brexit and how to deal with it?

For me real leadership would have been seeing either Martin or Varadkar pull all the party leaders in and explain the situation and what steps are going to the taken to resolve it and get some input from them or at least an agreement that they will support them and if they don't then grand just come out and say that but instead we have this government making decisions and everyone is pulling in different directions and that also includes the parties in government. The dogs on the street know that FG are setting up FF so that they can try hoover up the votes for the next election.

This shouldn't be happening at this time, we as a country should be one tackling this together by doing your bit but that is not going to happen when you see what is going on with the people who are making the decisions.

FrancieBrady · 25-09-2020 09:08AM

Nobotty wrote: »

Oh don't get me wrong,but damn it there's heaps of stuff there to talk about on its own without it all being mixed up inside in a thread about the government
Its tiny in the publics mind
The way that should be discussed is in a committee in Leister House and in Dail questions to the justice minister
That makes it news and flags it for the public
I'm not bored with that topic but jesus the tooing and froing is bad enough here without mixing all that in
Its that that's boring
It clouds bread and butter

Yesterday for example ,there was s nurse on today Claire byrne who said there were loads like her who have been moved from Billy to Jack on temp contracts in nursing homes only with no guarantee of hours after having came home from Australia to help out
She left a secure well paid job
Yet loads of GUFF yesterday about not being able to get enough nurses
You could not make this up

I see little or none of that talked about here

No argument from me on that.

Already you can see the attempt being made to talk about something else (Victim compensation) when I mention a Truth Recovery Process because it is a way to divert to SF.

The two governments are responsible for legacy and truth issues under the GFA and ancillary agreements, nobody else.

blanch152 · 25-09-2020 09:14AM

Floppybits wrote: »

Why is that? Did not the whole of the Dail on all sides come together for Brexit and how to deal with it?

For me real leadership would have been seeing either Martin or Varadkar pull all the party leaders in and explain the situation and what steps are going to the taken to resolve it and get some input from them or at least an agreement that they will support them and if they don't then grand just come out and say that but instead we have this government making decisions and everyone is pulling in different directions and that also includes the parties in government. The dogs on the street know that FG are setting up FF so that they can try hoover up the votes for the next election.

This shouldn't be happening at this time, we as a country should be one tackling this together by doing your bit but that is not going to happen when you see what is going on with the people who are making the decisions.

You can't have Sinn Fein in government while they are still supporting the killers of Gardai among other things. That means a government of national unity is not possible.

We have the next best thing.

FrancieBrady · 25-09-2020 09:15AM

blanch152 wrote: »

You can't have Sinn Fein in government while they are still supporting the killers of Gardai among other things. That means a government of national unity is not possible.

We have the next best thing.

What is it you want them to do with those who killed Garda McCabe and will your 'solution' apply to all the players in the conflict or just SF?

blanch152 · 25-09-2020 09:25AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What is it you want them to do with those who killed Garda McCabe and will your 'solution' apply to all the players in the conflict or just SF?

Whatever validity your spurious and nonsense claims about a "war" against the UK, there was no excuse for killing Gardai in the South, and the IRA, supported by Sinn Fein, killed too many of them, not to mention Stack as well.

There has never been a proper apology and recompense for the victims of the IRA in the South, and Sinn Fein could make a start by giving a full fulsome apology with no weasel words and also compensate the families as part of that. It's not like they don't have the money.

FrancieBrady · 25-09-2020 09:49AM

blanch152 wrote: »

Whatever validity your spurious and nonsense claims about a "war" against the UK, there was no excuse for killing Gardai in the South, and the IRA, supported by Sinn Fein, killed too many of them, not to mention Stack as well.

There has never been a proper apology and recompense for the victims of the IRA in the South, and Sinn Fein could make a start by giving a full fulsome apology with no weasel words and also compensate the families as part of that. It's not like they don't have the money.

What is a 'proper apology'?

Those guilty served their sentence and as far as I know apologies have been made.

NOBODY who was a victim of the conflict/war has been properly compensated.

FrancieBrady · 25-09-2020 09:55AM

As I said to christy c, it's not over until the iFat Lady sings.

https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1309430491657973760

McMurphy · 25-09-2020 10:01AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

As I said to christy c, it's not over until the iFat Lady sings.

https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1309430491657973760

Heard Pat Kenny grilling Paschal over that breaking news this morning, I thought this was always in the pipeline anyway tbh.

blanch152 · 25-09-2020 10:34AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What is a 'proper apology'?

Those guilty served their sentence and as far as I know apologies have been made.

NOBODY who was a victim of the conflict/war has been properly compensated.

There was no conflict in the South, a point I made and you ignored.

The compensation in the South is due from Sinn Fein, the compensation in the North is being blocked by Sinn Fein.

blanch152 · 25-09-2020 10:35AM

McMurphy wrote: »

Heard Pat Kenny grilling Paschal over that breaking news this morning, I thought this was always in the pipeline anyway tbh.

One thing is certain, we are lucky we didn't follow the foolish route of spending the money.

blanch152 · 25-09-2020 10:40AM

blanch152 wrote: »

We might need to close our border because of the worsening situation in the North, thanks to the incompetent government up there.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It's only our partitionists and belligerent Unionists that seem to want to engage in a macabre competition over this.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0925/1167366-covid-19/

"Acting Chief Medical Officer Dr Ronan Glynn and his Northern Ireland counterpart Dr Michael McBride will issue a joint statement later this morning after discussions about efforts to reduce travel between Co Donegal and Northern Ireland.

Dr Glynn will discuss the increased incidence rates of Covid-19 in Co Donegal with Dr McBride as well as reducing travel between the two jurisdictions."

"Derry and Strabane have the highest rates of the virus in Northern Ireland."

Once again Francie, the green-tinted spectacles failed to let you see what was coming. What the report doesn't say is that Derry and Strabane have the highest rates on this island. There is much left unsaid in the media about the virus, including the shambolic efforts of the SF/DUP government.

The_Brood · 25-09-2020 10:44AM

With the government - repeatedly - putting out "green lists" that include micro states that don't even have an airport, I'm just wondering if they are just giant trolls whose only interest is taking the piss out of the people, or so utterly, utterly, utterly incompetent they lack the most basic of googling skills?

Either way, the embarrassment grows bigger by the day.

FrancieBrady · 25-09-2020 10:45AM

blanch152 wrote: »

There was no conflict in the South, a point I made and you ignored.

The compensation in the South is due from Sinn Fein, the compensation in the North is being blocked by Sinn Fein.

The partitionist view is there was no conflict/war here, but the many victims would think otherwise. My community would think otherwise.
The state was involved in the solution, of course it was involved in the problem and has now, and did then, responsibilities.

One of those, along with it's co signatory is to institute a proper procedure to deal with legacy issues.
The British and Unionist/Loyalist, and the Irish government are the blockages to that process. SF and the IRA have said they are willing, if all the players are.

I commented on the victim compensation thing before and it is more nuanced than it seems at first. I suggest you research that.

FrancieBrady · 25-09-2020 10:57AM

blanch152 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0925/1167366-covid-19/

"Acting Chief Medical Officer Dr Ronan Glynn and his Northern Ireland counterpart Dr Michael McBride will issue a joint statement later this morning after discussions about efforts to reduce travel between Co Donegal and Northern Ireland.

Dr Glynn will discuss the increased incidence rates of Covid-19 in Co Donegal with Dr McBride as well as reducing travel between the two jurisdictions."

"Derry and Strabane have the highest rates of the virus in Northern Ireland."

Once again Francie, the green-tinted spectacles failed to let you see what was coming. What the report doesn't say is that Derry and Strabane have the highest rates on this island. There is much left unsaid in the media about the virus, including the shambolic efforts of the SF/DUP government.

I suppose Dublin being on a Level 3 and possibly going to 4 or 5 means our efforts have been shambolic too?

You are so desperate to score a point it is getting pathetic and nauseating.

It's clear to me and I persume any rational sane person that the virus sees no borders and is moving around areas that drop their guard, necessitating the raising of the levels...how many counties on the island now are in line for a level raising and how close are they to the border? The first 3 to go onto a new level and Dublin are hardly as a result of the terrible work of the shinners are they?

Floppybits · 25-09-2020 11:11AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I suppose Dublin being on a Level 3 and possibly going to 4 or 5 means our efforts have been shambolic too?

You are so desperate to score a point it is getting pathetic and nauseating.

It's clear to me and I persume any rational sane person that the virus sees no borders and is moving around areas that drop their guard, necessitating the raising of the levels...how many counties on the island now are in line for a level raising and how close are they to the border? The first 3 to go onto a new level and Dublin are hardly as a result of the terrible work of the shinners are they?

It is SF spreading the virus.

well that is what FG would like you to believe.

smurgen · 25-09-2020 11:22AM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

You should take a day off, dude. This stuff is eating you up inside.

Was off most of the week. Noticed the same old posted all week. Irony.

IAmTheReign · 25-09-2020 11:25AM

Risteard81 wrote: »

The Six Occupied Counties are in IRELAND.

There is no such thing as "Ireland and Northern Ireland" and to suggest otherwise is seditious and treasonous.

Better tell the lads who wrote the Constitution they were seditious and treasonous so! :pac:

Constitution of Ireland, Article 4 wrote:

The name of the State is Éire, or, in the English language, Ireland.

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