BusConnects Dublin - Big changes to Bus Network

the Orbital routes being prioritised is a good start - they're not going to interfere much with the existing network so won't attract opposition and might show people the benefits of the new network. They need to sort out the flat fare early as well though.

Qrt wrote: »

They seem to be banking on that Huntstown Bus Gate...

Aside from that, it looks like the mess of a network we already have

I have to be honest, I was never a fan of the original BC plan to begin with. The current network is fine, it's just lacking a reliable and frequent orbital service and there's not enough bus right of way.

Jarrod Walker's original proposal included an F3 route that would have passed outside my door (Stannaway Rd.), connected with all orbital services, and taken a direct route into town.

After three years of consultations (or at least that's what it feels like) they've redirected that through Kimmage, and we're left with the equivalent of the current 83 which travels half way around the world to get into town.

Yay.

I suppose I can console myself with the fact (and it is a fact) that there isn't a hope in hell of the Lower Kimmage Road infrastructure ever being built.

This is basically just a renumbering exercise at this point with core corridor route amalgamation/surgery and the new orbital routes.

The latter aside - and they are a significant improvement - it feels like an enormous waste of time and money.

Zebra3 wrote: »

Piece in the IT about it.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/final-redesign-of-dublin-s-bus-network-to-see-services-rise-23-1.4363599

I haven't clicked on the link, but I'm going to guess that it's a negative hit job?

I would assume people from Howth will be happy enough with the new H3 & the new 6 route going into the CC as well as the Dart. The allocation for the new 6 route will be allocated double deckers now which is good news. When the initial proposals for the 290 between Sutton & Howth Dart Station were released. It was only offered a short local route which would presumably use single deck buses once it came out from the last consultation on the network redesign.

The locals who wanted a good bus service maintained out of Howth weren't too happy with the 290. The 6 provided a much better route for the area.

As the Dart already provides a decent rail service for Howth; a bus route running between Sutton & Howth probably would not have generated enough demand for the area in the short term when compared to the 6 going from Howth Station into Abbey St/Talbot St. But when Dart+ was published in late August; people who use the H3 & the 6 will have an adequate level of service to Howth Dart Station. Howth Harbour is also a major tourist & marine activities attraction to people living in Dublin. The area would need to have a lot more visitors to visit the area while doing that with travelling on increased PT services.

It makes good sense to have Dart+ offering increased frequency to the CC by rail and than maintaining 2 bus services to the CC as a useful alternative.

Evil_g wrote: »

Jarrod Walker's original proposal included an F3 route that would have passed outside my door (Stannaway Rd.), connected with all orbital services, and taken a direct route into town.

After three years of consultations (or at least that's what it feels like) they've redirected that through Kimmage, and we're left with the equivalent of the current 83 which travels half way around the world to get into town.

Yay.

I suppose I can console myself with the fact (and it is a fact) that there isn't a hope in hell of the Lower Kimmage Road infrastructure ever being built.

If it's the new 82 your referring too I wouldn't even consider it bringing you into the "city centre". Its seem to turn off for Hatch street to make it's way to Merrion Sq before terminating in Ringsend.

Its mind boggling to see what the purpose of all this is. Looking at the F1 for example, it seems to be a mash up of the 49 and 54a in parts only to then create a new 82 and 85 route to cover the parts of the 49 and 54a route the new F1 doesn't cover. The 82 coming from Tallaght would be fairly full by the time it reaches Stannaway road.

I can't see what benefit the 74 offers beyond Crumlin towards Dundrum. If the bus corridors
in Crumlin and Kimmage are developed this route will also run through the residential roads the private traffic is envisioned to be routed through with major bottlenecks at Ravensdale and Sundrive road.

There is no interface between the S2&4 even though both are effectively swapping destinations with each other in the vicinity. The current 18 (S2) will now travel to Rialto and onto Hueston while the 17 (S4) will travel to Ballyfermont and onto Liffey Valley. Both of these established routes would be fairly busy especially the 18.

I am looking at some of my new routes in Blackrock that serve the CC from it's network map. They have some interesting changes in them.

I found one change for the B3. It now starts at the roundabout at Hollystown Road outside Tyrrelstown while it travels to/from Dún Laoghaire. I'm not sure that I am saying this right but I think the B routes going from Blanchardstown/Ongar travel through the CC along the quays in both directions. While the B routes leave the CC going southbound, they go onto Eden Quay, Malborough St Luas Bridge then Hawkins St, Townsend St, Westland Row, Merrion Sqaure, Baggot St, Pembroke Road until they split evenly at St Vincent's Hospital to go on their own routes afterwards. The B1 & B2 then go to UCD. The B3 goes to Dún Laoghaire. The B4 goes to Killiney S.C.

The 98 from Mountjoy Square to Loughlinstown travels along Gardiner St, Busáras, Townsend St, Westland Row, Merrion Square than goes along most of the current 7a route. If you want to travel from O'Connell St to Loughlinstown Park; the E1 is the most direct route to let you off at the N11 Flyover in Loughlistown. And then you walk from there towards Loughlinstown Park. If you want the longer option to leave you in the estate; you would have to take two buses to get there with the 1st one from Batchelors Walk/Eden Quay. You get the B3/B4 to their southbound terminus & then switch to another route like the 98, 211 or 222 to get you there. If you get the Dart; you go from Tara St to Dún Laoghaire & than switch from there to get the 98, 211 or 222 route to get you to Wyattville Road/Loughlinstown.

That means if you want to get a bus to Blackrock OTOH; you won't be able to get it while waiting along O'Connell St/O'Connell Bridge like with the 4, 7 or 7a on our current network. When going out of the CC from O'Connell St; you would have to get the B3/B4 from either Batchelors Walk or Eden Quay when you travel to Blackrock or further out like Dún Laoghaire or Killiney S.C. You will have very quick options while you travel from the CC to Blackrock in either taking the B3/B4 routes or the Dart.

The E routes to Dún Laoghaire/Ballywaltrim OTOH have no changes to their routes while navigating through the CC.

They will still travel through areas like Westmoreland St, College Green & Dawson St/Kildare St while in both directions. Once the E routes get implemented in Dublin CC; you won't have to take the longer route of the 145 through Dawson St onto Westmoreland St via Pearse St on our current network anymore when you head to/from the N11. That part of the 145 route from the N11 will be scrapped once the new E routes replace it once the NTA give it the go-ahead.

Are there any bus lanes/bus priority measures planned for the orbital routes?

Orbital routes won’t really be worth a damn if there’s no bus priority measures in the pipeline.

tom1ie wrote: »

Are there any bus lanes/bus priority measures planned for the orbital routes?

Orbital routes won’t really be worth a damn if there’s no bus priority measures in the pipeline.

No and that's a big issue especially where the O bus passes through phibsboro and Adelaide road.