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All Covid-19 measures are permanent, don't be a boiling frog!

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  • #62
    Dionaibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 734 ✭✭✭Dionaibh


    King Mob wrote: »
    Yes, but as we've seen in other threads, there's not much to worry about there. Just more conspiratorial thinking and paranoia and good ol' internet nonsense.

    Again, maybe stop believing everything you read?

    According to several posters there's nothing to worry about, but I think most people would find the idea of resetting the planet to be a bit alarming.


  • #63
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,226 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Dionaibh wrote: »
    According to several posters there's nothing to worry about, but I think most people would find the idea of resetting the planet to be a bit alarming.

    But you can't explain why it's alarming.
    You dodge the questions when people ask you.

    So there's nothing to be alarmed about.

    Why be alarmed when you have to avoid explaining what makes you so frightened?

    Similarly, you've stated many things that aren't true or are at best not accurate.
    Why would you be alarmed when many of the things you are worried about just aren't true?

    Seems very strange and it's more like you're looking for a conspiracy to believe in rather than looking for what's true.


  • #64
    Dionaibh
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    King Mob wrote: »
    But you can't explain why it's alarming.
    You dodge the questions when people ask you.

    So there's nothing to be alarmed about.

    Why be alarmed when you have to avoid explaining what makes you so frightened?

    Similarly, you've stated many things that aren't true or are at best not accurate.
    Why would you be alarmed when many of the things you are worried about just aren't true?

    Seems very strange and it's more like you're looking for a conspiracy to believe in rather than looking for what's true.

    The idea of resetting the planet over a virus that has a 99.9% survival rate is what I find to be alarming. The idea of resetting every aspect of human activity, as planned by WEF, I find alarming.


  • #65
    King Mob
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    Dionaibh wrote: »
    The idea of resetting the planet over a virus that has a 99.9% survival rate is what I find to be alarming.
    But that's not true.
    Why are you saying something that is untrue to support your conspiracy theory?
    That kinda implies that your conspiracy theory isn't true.
    Dionaibh wrote: »
    The idea of resetting every aspect of human activity, as planned by WEF, I find alarming.
    Why?


  • #66
    Dionaibh
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    King Mob wrote: »
    But that's not true.
    Why are you saying something that is untrue to support your conspiracy theory?
    That kinda implies that your conspiracy theory isn't true.


    Why?

    Because who are they to decide how we should live? I don't remember voting for WEF and the UN to reset the planet.

    The survival rate is in the high nineties.


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  • #67
    King Mob
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    Dionaibh wrote: »
    Because who are they to decide how we should live? I don't remember voting for WEF and the UN to reset the planet.
    But why are you worried about what they want to reset. Please be specific.
    Dionaibh wrote: »
    The survival rate is in the high nineties.
    You said:
    virus that has a 99.9% survival rate
    That's not true. I suspect that you knew this, yet claimed that anyway, making it a lie.

    You are now moving the goalposts to "High nineties."

    What is the death rate? Please provide a source for this number.


  • #68
    Dionaibh
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    King Mob wrote: »
    But why are you worried about what they want to reset. Please be specific.


    You said:

    That's not true. I suspect that you knew this, yet claimed that anyway, making it a lie.

    You are now moving the goalposts to "High nineties."

    What is the death rate? Please provide a source for this number.

    I'm worried that they'll try to restrict travel, or make it a very unpleasant experience (health passports etc). I'm also worried that they'll push a digital currency, a social-credit system (health passport again) and that they'll attempt to create a global technocracy.

    Basically what this article outlines: https://mises.org/wire/lockdowns-great-reset

    "The basic idea of the Great Reset is the same principle that guided the radical transformations from the French to the Russian and Chinese Revolutions. It is the idea of constructivist rationalism incorporated in the state. But projects like the Great Reset leave unanswered the question of who rules the state. The state itself does not rule. It is an instrument of power. It is not the abstract state that decides, but the leaders of specific political parties and of certain social groups.

    Earlier totalitarian regimes needed mass executions and concentration camps to maintain their power. Now, with the help of new technologies, it is believed, dissenters can easily be identified and marginalized. The nonconformists will be silenced by disqualifying divergent opinions as morally despicable.

    The 2020 lockdowns possibly offer a preview of how this system works. The lockdown worked as if it had been orchestrated—and perhaps it was. As if following a single command, the leaders of big and small nations—and of different stages of economic development—implemented almost identical measures. Not only did many governments act in unison, they also applied these measures with little regard for the horrific consequences of a global lockdown.

    Months of economic stillstand have destroyed the economic basis of millions of families. Together with social distancing, the lockdown has produced a mass of people unable to care for themselves. First, governments destroyed the livelihood, then the politicians showed up as the savior. The demand for social assistance is no longer limited to specific groups, but has become a need of the masses.

    Once, war was the health of the state. Now it is fear of disease. What lies ahead is not the apparent coziness of a benevolent comprehensive welfare state with a guaranteed minimum income and healthcare and education for all. The lockdown and its consequences have brought a foretaste of what is to come: a permanent state of fear, strict behavioral control, massive loss of jobs, and growing dependence on the state."

    What do you think they're going to propose? A few benign recommendations?

    https://www.clickondetroit.com/health/good-health/2020/07/16/why-high-covid-19-survival-rate-is-no-reason-to-relax-safety-measures/

    "Using the current numbers, that means more than 30 million people could have been infected, which would make the infection fatality rate 0.4% -- meaning 99.6% of people survive the virus."


  • #69
    4068ac1elhodqr
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    Dionaibh wrote: »
    Because who are they to decide how we should live? I don't remember voting for WEF and the UN to reset the planet.

    The survival rate is in the high nineties.

    Indeed one can argue at length the precise percentage, 2% at worst, might be a good ballpark figure? One figure we do however know of is 1m total victims (most already elderly and health comprimised), globally, since this started nearly 1yr ago in Wuhan.

    Another comparitive figure is the 9m victims, annually due to cancer, nearly tenfold that of covid globally.

    These can often be younger and healthier victims to begin with. But due to covid measures, many, many treatments for (time sensitive) cancers (not to mention all other surgeries, of all descriptions, even basic dental work) have been delayed, on hold, or cancelled due to covid measures.

    There is no global reset due to cancers, diabetes or indeed obesity.
    Over 1/4 of Western nations are 'obese', this lifestyle factor doubles covid/influenza (and other) health risk fatalities.

    There is also little measures to address e.g. the US opioid (pharma) epademic which has been causing a direct 'decline in the life expectancy' there, (the world's richest nation), for many years now.

    If anything a 'great global reset' funded by Davos, WEF, Rockerfellers etc should take place to address the epidmeic of 'obesity'. Then again, 'opportunity out of a newsworthy crisis' springs to mind.


  • #70
    ranto_boy
    Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭ranto_boy


    The Nal wrote: »
    So they're all permanent but the pubs outside of Dublin are back open as are all schools.

    Right....

    Do you have less freedoms than 7 months ago? Yes, absolutely. Compared to now, do you think you'll have less or more freedoms in 7 months time? I'm going to say less.

    Edit: Should say in this country. Sweden sure is looking appealing.


  • #71
    Dionaibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 734 ✭✭✭Dionaibh


    ranto_boy wrote: »
    Do you have less freedoms than 7 months ago? Yes, absolutely. Compared to now, do you think you'll have less or more freedoms in 7 months time? I'm going to say less.

    Edit: Should say in this country. Sweden sure is looking appealing.

    You're right. We will be considerably less free.


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  • #72
    Dionaibh
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9YDkKhRXWg&feature=youtu.be

    A video about the Great Reset.


  • #73
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,226 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Dionaibh wrote: »
    I'm worried that they'll try to restrict travel, or make it a very unpleasant experience (health passports etc). I'm also worried that they'll push a digital currency, a social-credit system (health passport again) and that they'll attempt to create a global technocracy.
    But none of that has anythign to do with "the great reset" that's all in your imagination and you extrapolating things.
    Or more likely it's the websites and youtube videos you are watching that are imagining and extrapolating.

    It's very silly.
    Dionaibh wrote: »
    https://www.clickondetroit.com/health/good-health/2020/07/16/why-high-covid-19-survival-rate-is-no-reason-to-relax-safety-measures/

    "Using the current numbers, that means more than 30 million people could have been infected, which would make the infection fatality rate 0.4% -- meaning 99.6% of people survive the virus."
    Why are you posting a random local news site?

    Do you not have a better source than that?

    Please provide an actual source such as the CDC or equivalent organization.


  • #74
    ranto_boy
    Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭ranto_boy


    Dionaibh wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9YDkKhRXWg&feature=youtu.be

    A video about the Great Reset.

    Cool, I'll watch it later but interesting how his first statement about never letting a good crisis go to waste is now bieng openly said by some polticians :) I haven't heard about the great reset before. Decent video to start with on the topic?


  • #75
    Dionaibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 734 ✭✭✭Dionaibh


    King Mob wrote: »
    But none of that has anythign to do with "the great reset" that's all in your imagination and you extrapolating things.
    Or more likely it's the websites and youtube videos you are watching that are imagining and extrapolating.

    It's very silly.

    Why are you posting a random local news site?

    Do you not have a better source than that?

    Please provide an actual source such as the CDC or equivalent organization.

    I know it is, but I'm saying that that's what I'm worried about. I'm not saying it's going to happen, but that that's what I worry might happen.


  • #76
    Dionaibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 734 ✭✭✭Dionaibh


    ranto_boy wrote: »
    Cool, I'll watch it later but interesting how his first statement about never letting a good crisis go to waste is now bieng openly said by some polticians :) I haven't heard about the great reset before. Decent video to start with on the topic?

    It's a good, but rather disturbing, video. It goes into detail about what the Great Reset is about.

    Another one I just came across: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXwPVD5UceY&feature=youtu.be

    It focuses on the use of 'new normal'.


  • #77
    King Mob
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    Dionaibh wrote: »
    I know it is, but I'm saying that that's what I'm worried about. I'm not saying it's going to happen, but that that's what I worry might happen.
    But you shouldn't worry about it because it's just paranoid conspiracy thinking with no baring on reality.

    You are worrying over fantasy stories.

    I also asked you for some source to back up you claims about the death rate from covid.
    Please provide that. Thanks.


  • #78
    ranto_boy
    Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭ranto_boy


    Dionaibh wrote: »
    I know it is, but I'm saying that that's what I'm worried about. I'm not saying it's going to happen, but that that's what I worry might happen.

    You're right to. I'm sure at the begining of the year people in Oz would have laughed if you told them the police would break down your door and haul you off to prison for liking a Facebook post. The people in Ohio probably would have laughed at the idea of a policeman tackling and manhandling a teenage girl watching an outdoors match for not wearing a mask, and indeed that onlookers would be chill with it. The list goes on and on. I have no doubt in 7 month whatever nonsense laws are in effect will have the ever present defenders online.


  • #79
    Dionaibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 734 ✭✭✭Dionaibh


    ranto_boy wrote: »
    You're right to. I'm sure at the begining of the year people in Oz would have laughed if you told them the police would break down your door and haul you off to prison for liking a Facebook post. The people in Ohio probably would have laughed at the idea of a policeman tackling and manhandling a teenage girl watching an outdoors match for not wearing a mask, and indeed that onlookers would be chill with it. The list goes on and on. I have no doubt in 7 month whatever nonsense laws are in effect will have the ever present defenders online.

    It's frightening. I read this morning that Dan Andrews is very popular with the people of Melbourne. 60 to 65% of the people support what he's doing. They support being allowed out for an hour a day, having to wear masks everywhere, and livelihoods and mental health being destroyed. It really is Stockholm Syndrome.

    But in Ireland I'd say the support for the government and the so-called experts is very high. It shows the power of propaganda (RTÉ, newspapers). Fauci will be on with the Late Late tomorrow night. He'll no doubt do his best to ramp up the fear.

    The more research I do, the more it is clear to me that this may be a global takeover of the world. The Great Reset is frightening.

    I have been suggesting people emigrate, if they can. I would suggest either Russia or Brazil.


  • #80
    Dionaibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 734 ✭✭✭Dionaibh


    King Mob wrote: »
    But you shouldn't worry about it because it's just paranoid conspiracy thinking with no baring on reality.

    You are worrying over fantasy stories.

    I also asked you for some source to back up you claims about the death rate from covid.
    Please provide that. Thanks.

    I don't know how you can dismiss it as paranoid conspiracy thinking. It's all there on WEF's own website. And the fact that they've postponed the reset until September of next year shows how much work they're putting into it.

    I can't find a source for the death rate, but do you accept that it's in the high nineties?


  • #81
    brianhere
    Registered Users Posts: 411 ✭✭brianhere


    As pointed out here in evidence to the Oireactas Committee ( https://www.independent.ie/videos/covid-needs-a-three-to-seven-year-plan-infectious-disease-specialist-39557046.html ), they are actually talking about a 3 to 7 year timetable in the measures they have taken against Covid. By starting with nonsense about 10 days or 2 weeks they are just stringing people along, all the changes they always intended to be permanent.

    http://www.orwellianireland.com



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  • #82
    King Mob
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    Dionaibh wrote: »
    I can't find a source for the death rate, but do you accept that it's in the high nineties?
    Why did you claim that the survival rate was 99.9%?

    Do you have any sources for "high nineties?"


  • #83
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    Do people actually believe there is a conspiracy where the political elite of Ireland want to destroy our way of life for everyone, including their own families, neighbours and loved ones.


  • #84
    storker
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    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    OP, I can't believe you forgot to mention the deep state controlling our minds with 5G.

    That's just nonsense. 5G is for giving people COVID-19. Or possibly making them gay, I forget...


  • #85
    The Nal
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    Brother Andy wrote: »
    Do people actually believe there is a conspiracy where the political elite of Ireland want to destroy our way of life for everyone, including their own families, neighbours and loved ones.

    Seems so. And not just Ireland. Globally.


  • #86
    King Mob
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    storker wrote: »
    That's just nonsense. 5G is for giving people COVID-19. Or possibly making them gay, I forget...
    The soy is making people and the frogs gay.


  • #87
    McGinniesta
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    I'm beginning to wonder if there is a degree of exaggeration or mismanagement involved in all of this.

    I don't think we can say that covid doesn't exist but I wonder if there is something a little sinister at play.


  • #88
    storker
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    Dionaibh wrote: »
    I don't know how you can dismiss it as paranoid conspiracy thinking. It's all there on WEF's own website. And the fact that they've postponed the reset until September of next year shows how much work they're putting into it.

    This should be framed and put in some kind of museum of credulous conspiracy thinking. The Great Reset is definitely coming folks, it's all planned, the evidence is clear. Oh wait, it's been postponed by a year...but...er...that just shows how good the planning is.... :rolleyes:

    Tune in this time next year for the latest reason the Great Reset has been postponed (probably even better planning), but it's on the way for sure!


  • #89
    Dionaibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 734 ✭✭✭Dionaibh


    Brother Andy wrote: »
    Do people actually believe there is a conspiracy where the political elite of Ireland want to destroy our way of life for everyone, including their own families, neighbours and loved ones.

    Considering that that's exactly what they're doing, I think it's reasonable for people to believe that there may be something sinister behind all of this.


  • #90
    Dionaibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 734 ✭✭✭Dionaibh


    storker wrote: »
    This should be framed and put in some kind of museum of credulous conspiracy thinking. The Great Reset is definitely coming folks, it's all planned, the evidence is clear. Oh wait, it's been postponed by a year...but...er...that just shows how good the planning is.... :rolleyes:

    Tune in this time next year for the latest reason the Great Reset has been postponed (probably even better planning), but it's on the way for sure!

    The head of WEF wrote a book about it, and they're giving themselves more time to work on it by postponing it to next September.

    Two articles on the Great Reset:

    https://www.other-news.info/2020/08/from-lockdown-to-police-state-the-great-reset-rolls-out/

    https://mises.org/wire/lockdowns-great-reset

    It's all out there in the open for people to read about. No conspiracy.


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  • #91
    ranto_boy
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    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html
    IFR from the CDC

    0-19 years: 0.00003
    20-49 years: 0.0002
    50-69 years: 0.005
    70+ years: 0.054

    Wow, I'm shaking. Better destroy the economy, bring in the "New Normal", give the State all the power it wants and be sure to inform on your family, friends or neighbours if you see them violating the rules. The State is your real family :)


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