How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

wirelessdude01 · 23-09-2020 07:31PM

Will Yam wrote: »

All those vulnerable teachers deciding that seeing as the kids can have classes online, they dont have to turn up.

Did you miss the word hybrid?

Will Yam · 23-09-2020 07:36PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Did you miss the word hybrid?

I would agree with some hybrid model provided the teachers did not have the choice of how it could operate, or when they could operate it.

wirelessdude01 · 23-09-2020 07:39PM

Will Yam wrote: »

I would agree with some hybrid model provided the teachers did not have the choice of how it could operate, or when they could operate it.

Think we all expected some centralised version to be announced with the plan but it never came. Got have one plan and one plan only.

Like I'm at home now for the foreseeable. No reason I couldn't work with children who would be considered high risk but there is no framework for this to happen.

Will Yam · 23-09-2020 07:40PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Think we all expected some centralised version to be announced with the plan but it never came. Got have one plan and one plan only.

Like I'm at home now for the foreseeable. No reason I couldn't work with children who would be considered high risk but there is no framework for this to happen.

Maybe they’ll ask you to do contact tracing?

combat14 · 23-09-2020 08:03PM

Ireland has two weeks to stop national lockdown as virus grows at same rate across the country as in Dublin

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/ireland-has-two-weeks-to-stop-national-lockdown-as-virus-grows-at-same-rate-across-the-country-as-in-dublin-39557416.html

At least schools are wide open now with no cases all is well

wirelessdude01 · 23-09-2020 08:20PM

Will Yam wrote: »

Maybe they’ll ask you to do contact tracing?

I put my name forward before and never heard anything back.

smellyoldboot · 23-09-2020 08:27PM

The_Brood wrote: »

I assume this is sarcasm? No one actually believes children's education will be destroyed by taking classes at home, and that the benefits of education on sight supersede the supposed dangers of Covid 19 that the rest of society is locked down for?

The schools are opened because Irish parents don't want their own children around, and the government is too scared of parents as a voter block. Dark times.

That's pretty much it in far too many cases. The kids at home are getting in the way of parents careers or gym time or coffee mornings or sneaky trips to the golf course etc. Do they must go to their free childminding service aka school so such types can "get back to normal" public health be damned.

khalessi · 23-09-2020 08:29PM

combat14 wrote: »

Ireland has two weeks to stop national lockdown as virus grows at same rate across the country as in Dublin

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/ireland-has-two-weeks-to-stop-national-lockdown-as-virus-grows-at-same-rate-across-the-country-as-in-dublin-39557416.html

At least schools are wide open now with no cases all is well

Safest place to be as they are controlled environments.

Blondini · 23-09-2020 08:30PM

combat14 wrote: »

At least schools are wide open now with no cases all is well

Now that's a cue for some interesting statistics if I ever heard one!

Let's be having ya boyos....

Mitch Connor · 23-09-2020 08:33PM

smellyoldboot wrote: »

That's pretty much it in far too many cases. The kids at home are getting in the way of parents careers or gym time or coffee mornings or sneaky trips to the golf course etc. Do they must go to their free childminding service aka school so such types can "get back to normal" public health be damned.

If we don't need teachers to teach then why do they need to go to college?

Anyone can give their kids the education needed, it's that easy!

utyh2ikcq9z76b · 23-09-2020 08:41PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

If we don't need teachers to teach then why do they need to go to college?

Anyone can give their kids the education needed, it's that easy!

You don't need to go to college. Anyone can learn anything they want online these days

Icyseanfitz · 23-09-2020 08:50PM

combat14 wrote: »

Ireland has two weeks to stop national lockdown as virus grows at same rate across the country as in Dublin

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/ireland-has-two-weeks-to-stop-national-lockdown-as-virus-grows-at-same-rate-across-the-country-as-in-dublin-39557416.html

At least schools are wide open now with no cases all is well

Even if do a full national lockdown I'd put money on them leaving schools as is the mad bastards

in a strange way it's sort of admirable how far the government is willing to chase a ****ty/hastily thought out decision.

irishblessing · 23-09-2020 08:59PM

Will Yam wrote: »

All those vulnerable teachers deciding that seeing as the kids can have classes online, they dont have to turn up.

They have to be taught. People who worked from home during the last lockdown, do you think they all dossed off? No, they still had targets to hit and meetings to attend. Schooling remotely is no different. On some platforms Principals would even be able to pop in to the remote classroom to check how things are going. What do you think remote learning is? It's not the 'give a homework list once a week and submit your work online so I can grade later' situation. They are ACTIVELY teaching. :rolleyes:

irishblessing · 23-09-2020 09:00PM

Will Yam wrote: »

Maybe they’ll ask you to do contact tracing?

Don't insult his qualifications, ffs. There is a teacher/sub shortage and you throw out this flippant answer? His skills would be better put to use for what he's trained to do.

irishblessing · 23-09-2020 09:02PM

Adalynn Acidic Oar wrote: »

You don't need to go to college. Anyone can learn anything they want online these days

Guess what, college is online too. Even UCD and Trinity. Even prestigious US universities. :rolleyes: Employers will still want a degree if that's what they require, no amount of YouTube learning will work there.

wirelessdude01 · 23-09-2020 09:08PM

irishblessing wrote: »

Don't insult his qualifications, ffs. There is a teacher/sub shortage and you throw out this flippant answer? His skills would be better put to use for what he's trained to do.

Leave it be. It was an obvious dig because I'm quite vocal about how I think that the contact tracing/close contacts is a farce when it comes to schools.

smellyoldboot · 23-09-2020 09:22PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

If we don't need teachers to teach then why do they need to go to college?

Anyone can give their kids the education needed, it's that easy!

Nobody stated anything like that. But the reason it's back to the classroom full-time as normal is a combination of disinterested parents, piss poor government and a civil service with the imagination and planning foresight of a potato.

23-09-2020 09:34PM

Whats the school count now does anyone know?

Blondini · 23-09-2020 09:42PM

TheTorment wrote: »

Whats the school count now does anyone know?

About 200

Will Yam · 23-09-2020 10:05PM

irishblessing wrote: »

They have to be taught. People who worked from home during the last lockdown, do you think they all dossed off? No, they still had targets to hit and meetings to attend. Schooling remotely is no different. On some platforms Principals would even be able to pop in to the remote classroom to check how things are going. What do you think remote learning is? It's not the 'give a homework list once a week and submit your work online so I can grade later' situation. They are ACTIVELY teaching. :rolleyes:

No, they didn’t all doss off.

But did they all put in a full day, every day?

Purplewaters · 23-09-2020 10:30PM

Will Yam wrote: »

No, they didn’t all doss off.

But did they all put in a full day, every day?

I'd say lots did more. As is the nature of teaching. Would day post pandemic people will leave the job in droves. As much as people like the actual job, the public attitude and the paperwork side of things getting worse and worse, I don't see it being attractive. Add to that the disrespect shown regarding safe work conditions and practices. And yes plenty of other jobs are ****, we all know this, but plenty aren't, and teachers are well educated. To the person who suggested we get our pay docked to fund the infrastructure, you don't seem to think 25000 for the dáil to socially distance is a problem then? I saw a person imwho qualified as a teacher working in a call centre was making more there and working from home. There is already a shortage. But yeah let's Dock their wages and expect them to stick it out.....

Smacruairi · 23-09-2020 10:30PM

Will Yam wrote: »

No, they didn’t all doss off.

But did they all put in a full day, every day?

I'd say the same proportion of any other sector to be honest, especially if the amount of tweets about walks and exercising that everyone seemed to be doing is to judge by. Sure even the Taoiseach had a bag of cans when the lads during lockdown.

Try harder, Willy come on. Ask Marko to give you a hand.

Purplewaters · 23-09-2020 10:34PM

Will Yam wrote: »

No, they didn’t all doss off.

But did they all put in a full day, every day?

I always find the venom shown towards teachers strange with this work from home issue. So any staff laid off for 350 per week for not working at all as the goverment essentkall laid them off. Yet if any teacher did one hour less and got paid then people are outraged. Most teachers make the guts of 5 to 600 a week if they are on full hours. So covid payment was fair for majority except those who earned less. But it also was only maybe 150 less a week than what teachera working full time every week were getting. And yet they're the bad guys. Some of the best education results in the world despite class sizes too large and they can still do no right. No wonder they prefer the middle East where the pay ans respect are way way higher.

Purplewaters · 23-09-2020 10:36PM

Smacruairi wrote: »

I'd say the same proportion of any other sector to be honest, especially if the amount of tweets about walks and exercising that everyone seemed to be doing is to judge by. Sure even the Taoiseach had a bag of cans when the lads during lockdown.

Try harder, Willy come on. Ask Marko to give you a hand.

Oh my god a teacher did one hour less than their usual hours during a global pandemic, call the police.

The amount of extra hours most teachers constantly put in ourside of their job too and they will never ever get thr respect they deserve.

Will Yam · 23-09-2020 10:38PM

Purplewaters wrote: »

I'd say lots did more. As is the nature of teaching. Would day post pandemic people will leave the job in droves. As much as people like the actual job, the public attitude and the paperwork side of things getting worse and worse, I don't see it being attractive. Add to that the disrespect shown regarding safe work conditions and practices. And yes plenty of other jobs are ****, we all know this, but plenty aren't, and teachers are well educated. To the person who suggested we get our pay docked to fund the infrastructure, you don't seem to think 25000 for the dáil to socially distance is a problem then? I saw a person imwho qualified as a teacher working in a call centre was making more there and working from home. There is already a shortage. But yeah let's Dock their wages and expect them to stick it out.....

I have no doubt that lots did do more. But with respect, the question I posed was did they all do a full job?

I would agree with you about public attitude, but that begs the question why does that attitude exist?

And as for suggesting you should have pay docked, who here suggested that?

khalessi · 23-09-2020 10:42PM

Will Yam wrote: »

I have no doubt that lots did do more. But with respect, the question I posed was did they all do a full job?

I would agree with you about public attitude, but that begs the question why does that attitude exist?

And as for suggesting you should have pay docked, who here suggested that?

That attitude has existed on Boards anyways since the early 2000s, which is when I first found Boards. I think it stems from the government at the time successfully pitting private v public workers and it has been that way ever since. .

Will Yam · 23-09-2020 10:44PM

Purplewaters wrote: »

I always find the venom shown towards teachers strange with this work from home issue. So any staff laid off for 350 per week for not working at all as the goverment essentkall laid them off. Yet if any teacher did one hour less and got paid then people are outraged. Most teachers make the guts of 5 to 600 a week if they are on full hours. So covid payment was fair for majority except those who earned less. But it also was only maybe 150 less a week than what teachera working full time every week were getting. And yet they're the bad guys. Some of the best education results in the world despite class sizes too large and they can still do no right. No wonder they prefer the middle East where the pay ans respect are way way higher.

Methinks you protest too much.

It’s extraordinary how a reasonable question can be asked about teachers, only to have it characterised as venom.

And then to characterise the question as one teacher doing one hour less, is with respect indicative of the victim complex.

I note your claim that our teachers deliver the best education results in the world - any independent verification of this claim?

Will Yam · 23-09-2020 10:48PM

khalessi wrote: »

That attitude has existed on Boards anyways since the early 2000s, which is when I first found Boards. I think it stems from the government at the time successfully pitting private v public workers and it has been that way ever since. .

But if the attitude were the result of govt “pitting” private against public, then surely the same public attitude would prevail against nurses, gardai, librarians, county council employees, civil servants etc etc etc.

But it doesn’t. So why does it exist where teachers are concerned?

wirelessdude01 · 23-09-2020 10:48PM

Will Yam wrote: »

Methinks you protest too much.

It’s extraordinary how a reasonable question can be asked about teachers, only to have it characterised as venom.

And then to characterise the question as one teacher doing one hour less, is with respect indicative of the victim complex.

I note your claim that our teachers deliver the best education results in the world - any independent verification of this claim?

Check out the pisa scores.

wirelessdude01 · 23-09-2020 10:52PM

Will Yam wrote: »

But it doesn’t. So why does it exist where teachers are concerned?

Partially due to a lot of people thinking they know what education is because they sat in a room. Partially due to having had a bad experience when they were in school when things were different. Partially down to jealousy over what they consider to be a 'soft' job.

How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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