Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

caveat emptor · 23-09-2020 08:08PM

Let's hope it stays rare or that subsequent infections more mild and are missed.

https://twitter.com/DrZoeHyde/status/1308742113287258115?s=20

zerosugarbuzz · 23-09-2020 08:08PM

Had to put the TV on silent during the George lee update, 2 more deaths from Covid or people testing positive with Covid dying from other things. How many died today from Cancer, Heart Attacks etc? No one asks or knows.

timmy_mallet · 23-09-2020 08:10PM

Sconsey wrote: »

Hey Timmy, why did you twist the quote to focus on masks?....

the actual quote:

Morens noted that this is a single paper, and “you don’t want to over-interpret what this means.” But the virus, he said, could potentially be responding — through random mutations — to such interventions as mask-wearing and social distancing, Morens said Wednesday.

“Wearing masks, washing our hands, all those things are barriers to transmissibility, or contagion, but as the virus becomes more contagious it statistically is better at getting around those barriers,” said Morens, senior adviser to Anthony S. Fauci, the director of NIAID.

Are you not capable of comprehending the full statements? Guess not.

The full quote adds nothing to what I've said, the point being that the only thing we've introduced en masse (unless you don't wash your hands?) to our civilisation is mask wearing and social distancing. And that is what the researches are suggesting as the reason for the mutations.

owlbethere · 23-09-2020 08:11PM

The public health experts are warning the next 10 days are crucial. The CMO pleading with people to do their bit. A case was mentioned at the briefing where a close contact of a confirmed case didn't restrict their movements and attended a party and from that situation more cases emerged because they didn't restrict their movements.

Shocking and selfish carry on.

I don't understand why the government is not sitting tonight to bring in emergency legislation for high fines for people breaking the public health guidelines. A 10,000 euro fine for a person who behaved like above would be wonderful. It would surely slow down the spread of the virus.

MerlinSouthDub · 23-09-2020 08:12PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

That is total rubbish.

In what way? There is no evidence whatsoever, anywhere in the world, that Covid is a significant risk to children. But, worry about it if you so wish. No one can prove to me that the sky won't fall on our heads.

Goldengirl · 23-09-2020 08:12PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Why do you think that COVID will cause more long term health problems than other infectious diseases (many of which are more deadly than COVID to children)? There is zero evidence to support that view.

Paediatric Inflammatory Multisystem Syndrome.. Not "zero evidence", there is documented evidence, but of course as it is not widespread some may not know it exists.

Funsterdelux · 23-09-2020 08:15PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

She's mutating....positve or negative you ask. Not sure.
Read that thread for more info.

edit: don't read into the chart "first wave" had less samples than "second wave"
Could be good, could be bad. Would love to know.

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1308838668883419139?s=20

The neutrinos have mutated!

MerlinSouthDub · 23-09-2020 08:16PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Paediatric Inflammatory Multisystem Syndrome.. Not "zero evidence", there is documented evidence, but of course as it is not widespread some may not know it exists.

Zero evidence that it is worse than other infectious diseases for children.

spookwoman · 23-09-2020 08:16PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Let's hope it stays rare or that subsequent infections more mild and are missed.

https://twitter.com/DrZoeHyde/status/1308742113287258115?s=20

Some more data on those cases in the ecdc risk assessment. Data on sequencing

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/sites/default/files/documents/Re-infection-and-viral-shedding-threat-assessment-brief.pdf

Goldengirl · 23-09-2020 08:17PM

Boggles wrote: »

Why are our elective officials spending time and money on the gauging the opinion of the likes of McConkey and Giesecke?

Completely undermines our own public health and emergency response team.

Michael McNamara is acting like a complete fúcking dickhead, akin to one of these anti mask dribblers marching around with a flag.

Totally agree.
Extreme views on both sides are unhelpful and I think it would have been far more use to get the views of countries who are doing well like Denmark.

Funsterdelux · 23-09-2020 08:23PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Totally agree.
Extreme views on both sides are unhelpful and I think it would have been far more use to get the views of countries who are doing well like Denmark.

Uruguay too.

Assetbacked · 23-09-2020 08:29PM

owlbethere wrote: »

The public health experts are warning the next 10 days are crucial. The CMO pleading with people to do their bit. A case was mentioned at the briefing where a close contact of a confirmed case didn't restrict their movements and attended a party and from that situation more cases emerged because they didn't restrict their movements.

Shocking and selfish carry on.

I don't understand why the government is not sitting tonight to bring in emergency legislation for high fines for people breaking the public health guidelines. A 10,000 euro fine for a person who behaved like above would be wonderful. It would surely slow down the spread of the virus.

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1022325156121796608/iSrHMWkB_400x400.jpg

Arghus · 23-09-2020 08:30PM

billybonkers wrote: »

These threads in the last few days have been nothing but tit for tat between a few posters. Absolutely no discussion what so ever just trying to one up each other.

Used to be a place for open discussion about what's going on, sharing interesting findings, insights etc

Now you have to travel through so much crap to find the interesting posts.

Bit of a shame

The situation hasn't noticeably changed in the last few days - there's been no change in government messaging or dramatic difference in the trajectory of numbers. So people are just arguing with each other - all that mental energy has to go somewhere. That'll change again once something dramatic happens. There are weeks like this, where everything can feel a bit like nothing is happening, last week was quite dramatic. There'll be more drama in time I'm sure - either next week or the week after.

It swings a bit from day to day: if the numbers are slightly lower or steady the "nothing to see here, open it up" crowd come to the fore for a while, if the numbers are up the "this is getting out of hand" crowd are in the ascendedancy.

Broadly speaking, I side with the "this is getting out of hand crowd" - because, well, it certainly doesn't appear to be getting better. The only positive I could take from the briefing today was that Nolan did acknowledge that there's a possibility - an outside possibility - of a stabilisation in case numbers. But he did state it's early days and it can't be taken as a definite trend.

Non solum non ambulabit · 23-09-2020 08:34PM

owlbethere wrote: »

The public health experts are warning the next 10 days are crucial. The CMO pleading with people to do their bit. A case was mentioned at the briefing where a close contact of a confirmed case didn't restrict their movements and attended a party and from that situation more cases emerged because they didn't restrict their movements.

Shocking and selfish carry on.

I don't understand why the government is not sitting tonight to bring in emergency legislation for high fines for people breaking the public health guidelines. A 10,000 euro fine for a person who behaved like above would be wonderful. It would surely slow down the spread of the virus.

You are the woman who referred to young women on a night out as "dirty prostitutes". I'll pass on your big ideas.

Goldengirl · 23-09-2020 08:36PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Zero evidence that it is worse than other infectious diseases for children.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(20)30271-6/fulltext
Read for yourself.. One study .

Assetbacked · 23-09-2020 08:38PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(20)30271-6/fulltext
Read for yourself.. One study .

*cough*

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/casesinireland/epidemiologyofcovid-19inireland/

Please, before you post this nonsense again about kids and covid, have a read.

John O.Groats · 23-09-2020 08:38PM

Assetbacked wrote: »

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1022325156121796608/iSrHMWkB_400x400.jpg

humberklog · 23-09-2020 08:39PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Totally agree.
Extreme views on both sides are unhelpful and I think it would have been far more use to get the views of countries who are doing well like Denmark.

Not to take away from your point but Denmark hasn't been doing too well with new infections for the last number of weeks.

Assetbacked · 23-09-2020 08:40PM

John O.Groats wrote: »

That too I suppose but a keyboard warrior photo would also have worked for them!

MerlinSouthDub · 23-09-2020 08:42PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(20)30271-6/fulltext
Read for yourself.. One study .

Yeah, thanks, I read that a couple of weeks ago. Nothing in that to say it’s worse than other infectious diseases.

majcos · 23-09-2020 08:47PM

Donegal situation is interesting - not sure that is the right word to use but cannot think of a more appropriate one. Why is the incidence so high there?

Plenty of space with very little public transport so that might offer some degree of protection but yet the incidence is higher than elsewhere. Big Donegal families in close knit communities so once there is a family outbreak, the outbreak could potentially be a large one.

There have been 172 cases in last two weeks but yet only one confirmed case in Letterkenny Hospital as of last night. A small portion of Donegal, south of Lahey, is in the cachement area of Sligo but no cases admitted there.

I found the following outbreaks/clusters - a confirmed restaurant outbreak in Letterkenny (Burrito Loco), a factory outbreak in Dungloe (a biotech company Randex Teoranta) a GAA outbreak (Niamh Padraig Lifford), and also a swim instructor in Letterkenny Aura leisure centre tested positive but I cannot find any confirmed linked cases to that. Ironically the biotech company have/are developing a rapid test for Covid-19.

220 cases in Northern Ireland today which nearly matches figures in the 26 counties with almost three times the population. Letterkenny is about 30km from Derry and Carlingford 30km from Warrenpoint. Donegal and Louth topping the county incidence tables after Dublin but then Waterford comes next on the list. Northerners cannot be blamed for that!

podgeandrodge · 23-09-2020 08:47PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Why do you think that COVID will cause more long term health problems than other infectious diseases (many of which are more deadly than COVID to children)? There is zero evidence to support that view.

Goldengirl wrote: »

Paediatric Inflammatory Multisystem Syndrome.. Not "zero evidence", there is documented evidence, but of course as it is not widespread some may not know it exists.

This is interesting. I had a read about it on a recent Lancet article. But it states "the long-term outcomes from this condition are presently unknown", which would suggest that Merlin's view is not contradicted by this syndrome no?

spookwoman · 23-09-2020 08:48PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Yeah, thanks, I read that a couple of weeks ago. Nothing in that to say it’s worse than other infectious diseases.

Have you got anything to prove it's not worse than other infectious diseases. If you are going to shoot down stuff at least provide some proper backup to your statements.

ACitizenErased · 23-09-2020 08:49PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Have you got anything to prove it's not worse than other infectious diseases. If you are going to shoot down stuff at least provide some proper backup to your statements.

What sort of study aims to prove something is 'not worse' than something else? That's a bizarre question

MerlinSouthDub · 23-09-2020 08:51PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Have you got anything to prove it's not worse than other infectious diseases. If you are going to shoot down stuff at least provide some proper backup to your statements.

Oh no, there’s that sky again, about to fall on our heads.

Assetbacked · 23-09-2020 08:54PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

What sort of study aims to prove something is 'not worse' than something else? That's a bizarre question

"So you're saying there's no evidence of this? Can you show me your evidence of the lack of evidence?".

ACitizenErased · 23-09-2020 08:54PM

HSE Daily Operations Update

88 in hospital, decrease of 6.
7 confirmed cases in hospital today - 3 in Beaumont, 2 in CUH and 1 each in Galway and St James
17 in ICU and 9 ventilated, increase of 1 each.

spookwoman · 23-09-2020 08:55PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Oh no, there’s that sky again, about to fall on our heads.

How is asking you to prove something going to cause the sky to fall. Just admit it you can't prove it. It's only reasonable to at least provide some proof to back up your story, you ask everyone else to but you refuse to do it yourself.

Jim_Hodge · 23-09-2020 08:55PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Oh no, there’s that sky again, about to fall on our heads.

Great argument. Well reasoned and delivered in a crisp taut style.

:rolleyes:

MerlinSouthDub · 23-09-2020 08:55PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

HSE Daily Operations Update

88 in hospital, decrease of 6.
7 confirmed cases in hospital today - 3 in Beaumont, 2 in CUH and 1 each in Galway and St James
17 in ICU and 9 ventilated, increase of 1 each.

Stable this week so far, good to see. Fits with the stabilising case numbers.

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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